Stats and stuff (VT game)...

[gary-7]

...and well, back to playing against a 4-out (sometimes 5-out) team.

stats
- The 3-ball was a weapon (14/30), although that's more than we need to be taking. Hicks in particular needs more than 4 shots (more on that below).

- We did share the ball better with 26 Assists on 36 made FGs, and every starter had at least 2, led by JB with 5 (not 4), and we only blew 9 as a team.

- We also took care of the ball better with only 7 TOs. Again, better ball-movement in general.

- VaTech did a nice job of getting back in transition defense, and I would've like to see us run a bit more aggressively, but we were efficient when we did, cashing in on our opportunities with 20 Secondary Break pts. and only coming up empty twice.

- 43-22 Rebounding advantage (as expected) and killed them on the Offensive glass (19)

- Another big game for big Kennedy 15 pts, 14 Rebounds and 3 Assists, and I was especially gratified to see him execute the backside pass off the baseline double-team. So was Roy --- standing and pointing at that particular Dime.

- Buckets forced a couple of early 3s but by and large I think it was apparent he was back to being a perpetual motion machine, and it paid off for him. He took 20 shots, but they were mostly better and in the flow of the offense than the 16 from last game. He was also keeping the rock moving better and added in 4 Assists

stuff
- Sluggish start on defense with our 4-man stressed covering the 3-ball. However we settled into a nice team defensive rhythm midway thru the first half with some really good rotations. JB was making it hazardous for their point and that helped a lot, but the big thing was five guys seeing man-and-ball and moving with the weaves. I could tell Roy had stressed that during the off-time. They ended up with a good shooting pct but that was padded by some easy looks when the game was out of hand.

- Not as much forcing tonight overall, and we were finally getting some reversals, although that still needs work. Hicks still needs more shots.

- The issue I was watching for was feeding the post. They played a lotta zone, but I wanted to see us make a more conscious effort to reward our Bigs. I could tell Roy made that a point at halftime about that. JB's high feed to Tony was the kind of thing I want to see more of going forward.

- The elephant in the room is Theo's rolled ankle. Hopefully that's all it is and he was being held out for precaution. He didn't look stressed when he came back to the sideline so that's good

- I just love how tough Berry is. Dog don't take nuthin' from nobody, and it's one of the reasons the guys have rallied around him since he's been here. Tonight in addition to the Steal and Block he was credited for, JB caused 4 other VaTech TOs between ball-hawking and stepping in on Help-D. Speaking of which I was glad to see Roy have us scramble mode more often.

- Once we got things in gear we were hard to stop, and we always need that to survive a damned Mike Eades game. Speaking of which I'm getting sick of seeing JB hammered on drives with no FTs to show for it.

OK, TCB (take care of business) win. Gotta get ready for a totally different style Saturday when it's bumper-pool time in South Beach. Important game coming up!

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Justin Jackson did alright, despite apparently being a "black hole" lol.

 

[gary-7]

Justin Jackson did alright, despite apparently being a "black hole" lol.

Perhaps because it was apparent that issue was addressed before this game.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Perhaps because it was apparent that issue was addressed before this game.

I mean he still shot the ball a lot, which a lot of folks on here have been upset about.

How was tonight any different from that? Genuinely asking.

The way I see it, JJ is a volume scorer. To he effective, he's gotta hoist quite a few. JMO

 

[coryfly]

It wasn't any different. Justin played the same way he did the last game, which is exactly how he should play.

 

[gary-7]

I mean he still shot the ball a lot, which a lot of folks on here have been upset about.

How was tonight any different from that? Genuinely asking.

It was when he shot and the circumstances of the possession. The past few games (especially BC) he was too often shooting off early passes when there were extra passes available for better looks for his teammates, or when the ball would get to him and there was nothing there, instead of reversing he was stopping the ball on that side and forcing drives.

Tonight with only maybe two exceptions he was back to making a conscious effort to look for the reversal and/or not trying to force drives from stand-stills (which is not his strength). His drives tonight were off the catch, and he was back to constant moving without the ball, and thus he got his shots within the flow of the offense.

 

[gary-7]

It wasn't any different. Justin played the same way he did the last game, which is exactly how he should play.

No, he did not.

 

[coryfly]

No, he did not.

Yeah, he did. I mean, I don't know why you started that stuff anyway but it was simply incorrect.

 

[gary-7]

Yeah, he did. I mean, I don't know why you started that nonsense anyway but it was simply incorrect.

It was absolutely 100% accurate (and it's been noticed by a lot of folks, here and elsewhere) and if you can't see that I can't help you.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

It was absolutely 100% accurate (and it's been noticed by a lot of folks, here and elsewhere) and if you can't see that I can't help you.

Links to the elsewhere? I'd like to read those articles

 

[trestyles]

I mean he still shot the ball a lot, which a lot of folks on here have been upset about.

How was tonight any different from that? Genuinely asking.

The way I see it, JJ is a volume scorer. To he effective, he's gotta hoist quite a few. JMO

He made them. That's the "difference" on this board. Clearly that black hole label is bullshit.

 

[imajericho]

Jackson should shoot any time he wants to. End of story.

 

[trestyles]

#0 on dook is a black hole

 

[coryfly]

It was absolutely 100% accurate (and it's been noticed by a lot of folks, here and elsewhere) and if you can't see that I can't help you.

Eh, not really. I don't need any help though. Thanks.

 

[gary-7]

He made them. That's the "difference" on this board. Clearly that black hole label is bullshit.

Not even close.

 

[gary-7]

#0 on dook is a black hole

Correct. To the worst degree in fact, Tatum is.
We don't want any of that even if unintentional. Tatum's a ball-hog. Justin just got into some bad habits, and they didn't show up tonight so hopefully it was addressed and corrected. Had nothing to do with how many shots he made. Sometimes players don't even realize they're doing it. That's what film and coaches are for.

 

[coryfly]

He actually forced more shots this game than last game, which is ok. We need Berry and Jackson to force them at times. They make some of them and they are clearly our best perimeter guys.

 

[gary-7]

Links to the elsewhere? I'd like to read those articles

Do you really think there will be an article about that?... unless it reached a Tatum level?

 

[gary-7]

He actually forced more shots this game than last game, which is ok. We need Berry and Jackson to force them at times. They make some of them and they are clearly our best perimeter guys.

They are our best, but Justin most certainly did not force more than last game. There were two shots tonight that could be called forces, and I certainly don't count that last bomb because it was at the end of the shot-clock.

 

[coryfly]

They are our best, but Justin most certainly did not force more than last game. There were two shots tonight that could be called forces, and I certainly don't count that last bomb because it was at the end of the shot-clock.

He did. That's ok though. He made quite a few of them. I never understood what your reasoning was for that other stuff anyway. That is a you issue, which is ok. You just need to understand it doesn't make you right. Other people know a little something about the game as well.

 

[soap - new and improved]

We win by 19 and get a pissing match on a Carolina board. Sheesh................

 

[gary-7]

He did. That's ok though. He made quite a few of them. I never understood what your reasoning was for that other stuff anyway. That is a you issue, which is ok. You just need to understand it doesn't make you right. Other people know a little something about the game as well.

GMAB. It's not a me issue, it is reality.
For example, here is something from tonight that did NOT happen vs BC, although there were several opportunities. Against BC JJ forced shots or drives in similar overload situations. Here, he doesn't force, instead he anticipates the open reversal and wisely passes up a shot to swing backside to JB for a better look rhythm-3.

Also, notice now that we've reversed the ball, JB has the option of taking the step-in 3 or dumping to Hicks (who could've done a better job of sealing).
So my "reasoning" was that against BC the ball consistently got stuck on one side of the floor, and yes, JJ was the most frequent culprit. Watching him closely tonight I could see a conscious effort to get back to our fundamentals of ball movement. He wasn't even looking for that pass against BC. Tonight he was. That's the Buckets I know and love.

 

[Archer2]

Our ball movement was better tonight. We generally made the extra pass which leads to better shots. I think JJ's shot selection was better. We all know he and Joel are our best scorers and are going to take a lot of shots. But they don't have to take forced shots, especially from the perimeter and early in the shot clock. Make the extra pass, rotate the ball, and we get quality shots. And when we get quality shots, we usually make a good percentage of them. Joel had a bad shooting night but almost all were good looks. Coaches are satisfied if their team is getting good looks at the basket. They don't always go in, some nights you can't make layups, but getting high quality looks is the key to shooting a high percentage consistently.

We shot too many treys for my liking(I want Isaiah to get more attempts) but we made almost half of them. Isaiah and Kennedy both had foul issues with 4 each in a combined 47 minutes, but VT plays a small lineup that can be tough for bigs to match up with defensively. Kennedy with another great game, he's been a rock for us this year.

And 8 guys with at least 2 assists, that's really sharing the rock. It's an example of what Gary said about making the extra pass.

ETA: this was the 6th time in the last 7 games that we have scored 20 or more second chance points. We had a 20-6 advantage in this game. That's what having a 19-4 OR advantage will get you. I'm going to reiterate it after every game, rebounding and points in the paint are two of our biggest strengths. We were great on the offensive boards last year but not nearly as good on the defensive boards, thereby allowing opposing teams far too many second chance points. This year we're #1 nationally in OR's and 8th in DR's(a big improvement over last year).

 

[gobblercalls]

It was obvious that JJ moved the ball better tonight. He took 20 shots but just from my memory it seems like 3-4 of them were in the last 5-6 seconds of the shot clock. With that little time on the clock who else, besides Berry, would you want forcing that shot? It's not about the number of shots as much as the quality and timing of the shots.

 

[coryfly]

Justin did move it better. So did everyone else. Ball movement overall was clearly better tonight. PGs did a better job passing as well. Wings and bigs looked quicker moving. Jackson wasn't the main issue against BC though. No one individual was. I can pick out a play here or there to prove whatever I want. I could do it to support my point or your point but I'm not talking about one or two isolated plays. That's ridiculous. If some people agree with you that's awesome for you. I'm not going to give you a break on this though. You had to pick someone and it just happened to be Justin. You are the one who started this with me. I know you don't handle disagreement well so responded to THN11 instead.

 

[DSouthr]

On back to back trips on our offensive end, Luke gets the pass inside, draws the defense to collapse on him, turns & kicks out to a wide open Joel, result is 2 made treys by Joel. Great makes by joel, credit Luke for 2 great finds of the wide open shooter. In one span of beautiful basketball, Theo strides in to great shot position at the top of the key and took a nice looking form trey, splashed it. Gets the steal under the defensive basket off a nice strip, takes the ball length of the court and finds a wide open Nate that splashes the trey. With respect to Julie Andrews, these are a few of MY FAVORITE things! That is just un-selfish basketball, it is playing with purpose, wonderful to watch.

This discussion of Justin, didn't totally agree with it vs BC, said so, but don't totally disagree with it either. I know, it is easy to look at last night Justin taking 20 shots and the BC game his taking 16 shots and think well how was he on the verge of selfish in a game he took 4 fewer shots than last night in and last not not be considered selfish.

I don't believe the tag selfish fits Justin at all, the proper term is that he is at times a bit more aggressive than he needs or should be in some situations, same is true for Joel being honest. But Roy has pounded in to Justin to be more aggressive, he is trying to do what his coach is asking him to do. I said last week after BC, we need Joel and Justin to be a bit selfish, when either or both get the hot hand feed them because both those kids make what I feel are bad shots when they get it rolling.

Where we get in the weeds a little bit is when those fellas do not have the hot hand and force some things that stop our offensive flow. It isn't a matter of how many shots a guy takes, it is situational more than anything else and it at times does get away from ball movement that forces the defense to open up. IT is a fine line at times but look at Theo in his very few minutes last night, he puts pressure on the defense but it is with purpose, Luke put pressure on the defense but did so with purpose and both were to draw the defense and find the guy with the wide open looks. Against BC Justin did at times force things that were not there and didn't really have a well thought purpose other than I need to try to get something done because things seem stagnate. Would have preferred to have seen Justin do what we see Theo do so much, put the ball on the floor fine but do it to draw the defense to converge on him and know who should be open and slip the ball to that open guy.

Theo puts the ball on the floor he is looking pass first, finish second, Justin & Joel put the ball on the floor and they are looking to finish first and pass second. Not really fussing about that actually, it is kinda how it has to be because Justin and Joel are great finishers and Theo is much more an adept passer. But there are times & situations it gets a bit on the dicey side. However, considering that last night we scored 85+ for the 7th time in a row, something that with all the great UNC teams we have had that we had never done, makes it hard to be to critical of our offense or any player offensively.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

It was absolutely 100% accurate (and it's been noticed by a lot of folks, here and elsewhere) and if you can't see that I can't help you.

Easy Gary. JJ is going to shoot a lot and we need him to, especially when he is open.

Good to see Berry with 5 assist and ZERO turnovers, that's more like him.

 

[gteeitup]

5* thread

 

[DSouthr]

Now having said that, let me fuss just a little about our offense, case in point, VT got off to a 8-2 early lead, we come down and Joel takes a looong trey early n the shot clock that settles in for 3, great result. But I felt that was a bad shot because considering we didn't jump out to that early lead, what if Joel missed that and they came back down and hit a 2 or a trey, all the sudden this game may have become a nail biter to the end. But Joel hit it, it became 8-5 and we rallied back but it could have been 11-2 had Joel missed that shot. What I felt was a bad shot had a great result and Joel can make bad shots have good results! The tone for this game may have changed with the result of that shot.

Hicks, 4 shots guys, in a game we had a huge size advantage, our starting power forward gets total of 4 shots, makes 2 of them. VT played a tiny lineup, many times tallest guy on the floor for them was what, 6'5"? Meeks had 13 shots and 14 rebounds, I think he may have rebounded all but 1 of his own missed shots because they had no one able to match up with our size. Playing such a small team, I just find it hard to understand why Hicks finishes a game with so few ops. VT pretty much had to try to force us to take a lot of long jumpers and we did, they had to hope we would miss them, we didn't. But we have seen games when those same jumpers were not falling, we got away with doing what they wanted us to do by hitting 14 of 30 treys but it is a bit concerning if we have to rely on that for many games.

I* did feel our second unit did a little bit better attacking them and doing what we wanted to do, felt our second unit played really really well. I felt our second unit set the tone for our defense, Nate didn't fill up the box score but that lil joker chased his butt off, really worked, kid does not get enough credit for how hard he works on the defensive end. I felt kenny was really sharp on the defensive end, works his tail off to stay in front of his man, shaking Nate or Kenny last night was not easy and was not going to happen unless they used multiple ball screens. Theo was just his normal disruptive self, I swear watching that kid play is worth the price of admission alone. I felt Tony was really solid, 7th other than that 1 travel call was solid, Luke had 3 really nice assists that resulted in 9pts for his team.

This is a little thing but one that stuck out to me, Theo, VT has ball out of bounds on their end, did ya notice Theo directing positioning and just being really vocal before the inbounds pass? That is a little thing but I love that kid being so vocal out there, we don't always be really vocal, Theo changes that when he is in the game. I call that a little thing but it is bigger than many realize.

I have talked, between this post and the last one about a lot of little things that don't really blow you away on the stat sheet but when totaled up dictate the out come. While many will be draw to Justin's scoring total, to Joel hitting treys, and Meeks with yet another double double (a great habit he has developed), it is the little things, that extra pass looking for your teammate, that is the blue collar stuff that stat sheets don't show as much as they should. But it is that blue collar stuff that dictate how a game flows, that sets up the more stat stuffing stuff, that allows your team to score 85+ for the last 7 games and we realize that UNC has NEVER done that before.

 

[Archer2]

On back to back trips on our offensive end, Luke gets the pass inside, draws the defense to collapse on him, turns & kicks out to a wide open Joel, result is 2 made treys by Joel. Great makes by joel, credit Luke for 2 great finds of the wide open shooter. In one span of beautiful basketball, Theo strides in to great shot position at the top of the key and took a nice looking form trey, splashed it. Gets the steal under the defensive basket off a nice strip, takes the ball length of the court and finds a wide open Nate that splashes the trey. With respect to Julie Andrews, these are a few of MY FAVORITE things! That is just un-selfish basketball, it is playing with purpose, wonderful to watch.

Amen, beautiful basketball indeed.

This discussion of Justin, didn't totally agree with it vs BC, said so, but don't totally disagree with it either. I know, it is easy to look at last night Justin taking 20 shots and the BC game his taking 16 shots and think well how was he on the verge of selfish in a game he took 4 fewer shots than last night in and last not not be considered selfish.

It's not about the number of shots as much as it is about the quality of shots. Taking a quick three with no touches inside and no board coverage isn't a good shot. Here's Roy's definition of a good shot:

"A good offense is running the break first and trying to get to the highest percentage shot you can get, but against a set defense, you want to take a shot that everybody on your team wants you to take with the board covered. That’s the definition of a good shot—taking the shot everyone wants you to take with the board covered, and we try to do that all the time."

I don't believe the tag selfish fits Justin at all, the proper term is that he is at times a bit more aggressive than he needs or should be in some situations, same is true for Joel being honest. But Roy has pounded in to Justin to be more aggressive, he is trying to do what his coach is asking him to do. I said last week after BC, we need Joel and Justin to be a bit selfish, when either or both get the hot hand feed them because both those kids make what I feel are bad shots when they get it rolling.

I don't think of JJ or Joel as selfish players. I think they are aggressively looking for scoring opportunities and I think Roy wants them to do so. The team needs them to do so if it's to reach it's full potential.

Theo puts the ball on the floor he is looking pass first, finish second, Justin & Joel put the ball on the floor and they are looking to finish first and pass second. Not really fussing about that actually, it is kinda how it has to be because Justin and Joel are great finishers and Theo is much more an adept passer. But there are times & situations it gets a bit on the dicey side. However, considering that last night we scored 85+ for the 7th time in a row, something that with all the great UNC teams we have had that we had never done, makes it hard to be to critical of our offense or any player offensively.

We're actually playing very unselfish ball. We had 8 guys with at least 2 assists, that's the definition of good ball movement and unselfishness. TBS, I really, really would like to see Isaiah get more touches inside. And I'm always disconcerted when we launch 30 ICBM's in one game. IMO, that's just too many.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Kenny needs to take a few more of those open shots. Is it a confidence thing or has Roy put the lid on? Not saying he should go crazy but he should have shot 2 or 3 more times this game.

I like the way 7th tries hard to get the ball inside. He just needs to learn to pass it over the defender, not through him. Too often his passes are just too low, and easy for the defender to snatch or tip. But I'm serious about liking that he is trying to get it in there. I would also like to see him drive and dish more.

Hicks took 4 shots this game. In 26 minutes. Out of 73 total FG attempts. How is that possible?

 

[coryfly]

Kenny needs to take a few more of those open shots. Is it a confidence thing or has Roy put the lid on? Not saying he should go crazy but he should have shot 2 or 3 more times this game.

I like the way 7th tries hard to get the ball inside. He just needs to learn to pass it over the defender, not through him. Too often his passes are just too low, and easy for the defender to snatch or tip. But I'm serious about liking that he is trying to get it in there. I would also like to see him drive and dish more.

Hicks took 4 shots this game. In 26 minutes. Out of 73 total FG attempts. How is that possible?

Yeah, Seventh does a great job of looking to get the ball inside. I've thought all year his vision is excellent all over the court. He just hasn't been able to execute what he sees yet. Eventually I feel he will though.

I saw a number of times where we didn't get it to our bigs when we may could have. Most of the time it was Bradley or Meeks though. Then again, at least we didn't force it and turn it over. I didn't feel Hicks had great position often last night, though certainly could have missed opportunities as well. They definitely worked hard to make it tough to get the ball to our bigs, which is probably why we had so many good looks outside. Berry had a great pass from the top to Bradley (I think) once. Perfect timing and just a really pretty look.

 

[Archer2]

This from JJ re: getting good shots in the VT game.

“Anytime we get the ball moving, you have way more space to shoot. The way we moved the ball tonight and the way we were able to work it inside, the bigs did a good job kicking it back out, because a lot of times they doubled. Whenever we got it inside, it made them collapse, and then we kept moving the ball and it helped out.”

 

[coryfly]

This from JJ re: getting good shots in the VT game.

“Anytime we get the ball moving, you have way more space to shoot. The way we moved the ball tonight and the way we were able to work it inside, the bigs did a good job kicking it back out, because a lot of times they doubled. Whenever we got it inside, it made them collapse, and then we kept moving the ball and it helped out.”

Yeah, that's good stuff. I don't think anyone disagrees the ball movement overall was better. It has to be against a zone or you get buried. I thought the interior passing from bigs to other bigs or cutters was also very good in this game, which hasn't always been the case this year.

 

[Archer2]

Yeah, Seventh does a great job of looking to get the ball inside. I've thought all year his vision is excellent all over the court. He just hasn't been able to execute what he sees yet. Eventually I feel he will though.

I agree. He sees the opening, he just doesn't execute the entry pass as well as he needs to. With more experience, I think he will. He's gradually playing more under control. He will be very good in time.

I saw a number of times where we didn't get it to our bigs when we may could have. Most of the time it was Bradley or Meeks though. Then again, at least we didn't force it and turn it over. I didn't feel Hicks had great position often last night, though certainly could have missed opportunities as well. They definitely worked hard to make it tough to get the ball to our bigs, which is probably why we had so many good looks outside. Berry had a great pass from the top to Bradley (I think) once. Perfect timing and just a really pretty look.

Roy said that early on neither Isaiah nor Kennedy was moving well enough inside. And their smaller quicker players were making entry passes difficult. The nice thing was our bigs didn't force bad shots, they kicked the ball back outside for open treys. If you get the ball inside and you're not in good scoring position because you're doubled or your man is in good defensive position, kick the ball back out and establish better scoring position. This allows another entry pass for a good shot or a wide open three. The last 3-4 games we have done a much better job of this.

 

[DSouthr]

Kenny needs to take a few more of those open shots. Is it a confidence thing or has Roy put the lid on? Not saying he should go crazy but he should have shot 2 or 3 more times this game.

I like the way 7th tries hard to get the ball inside. He just needs to learn to pass it over the defender, not through him. Too often his passes are just too low, and easy for the defender to snatch or tip. But I'm serious about liking that he is trying to get it in there. I would also like to see him drive and dish more.

Hicks took 4 shots this game. In 26 minutes. Out of 73 total FG attempts. How is that possible?

Lot of it is a confidence thing with Kenny but I have noticed he has let some bad habits creep in to his shooting motion. He seems to have slide a little bit in to guiding the shot more than stroking it with confidence and at times he falls off a little bit. I would like to see him have just a slight bit more of his balance be forward rather than backwards on his shot and have a bit more follow thru. Notice where his momentum takes him as his feet hit the court, have noticed his momentum taking him backwards a slight bit on a lot of his misses, I would like it to be slightly forward with more follow thru.

Case in point, Theo jump shooting last year. Theo pretty much every time landed on the court after a shot with his momentum falling backwards rather than slightly forward. When he released the shot his hands were many times coming apart (like a reverse clap) and that is usually a indication of more throwing the ball at the basket as opposed to shooting it, his follow thru was at best herky jerky.

Flash forward to last night, Theo took and made for 3, what may have been the best shooting stroke I have ever seen from him. He walked in to the catch with his momentum flowing forward and not backward and he had that wave goodbye follow thru, that Marcus Paige follow thru, that Joel berry follow thru. I jumped to my feet on that shot because that was a radical change in his form from last season. It is amazing what balance just slightly forward, wave goodbye follow thru, and solid arch on the shot can do for a shooter.

 

[gary-7]

It was obvious that JJ moved the ball better tonight. He took 20 shots but just from my memory it seems like 3-4 of them were in the last 5-6 seconds of the shot clock. With that little time on the clock who else, besides Berry, would you want forcing that shot? It's not about the number of shots as much as the quality and timing of the shots.

Bingo.
An BTW, from some comments I saw from players (including Justin) it's pretty obvious that was one of Roy's points of emphasis this week.

 

[gary-7]

Justin did move it better. So did everyone else. Ball movement overall was clearly better tonight. PGs did a better job passing as well. Wings and bigs looked quicker moving. Jackson wasn't the main issue against BC though. No one individual was. I can pick out a play here or there to prove whatever I want. I could do it to support my point or your point but I'm not talking about one or two isolated plays. That's ridiculous. If some people agree with you that's awesome for you. I'm not going to give you a break on this though. You had to pick someone and it just happened to be Justin. You are the one who started this with me. I know you don't handle disagreement well so responded to THN11 instead.

I didn't randomly pick out Justin. That is ridiculous. It was what it was, and my observation was accurate. He was trying to do too much too soon against BC. He approached this game differently against VaTech and the positive results showed. As @gobblercalls and @Archer2 said above, he got his shots at better times and within the flow of the offense, and honestly that's not even an arguable point.

And BTW, they weren't "isolated plays". It was the story of the game, and the ample team Assist numbers bear that out.

 

[coryfly]

Justin did move it better. So did everyone else. Ball movement overall was clearly better tonight. PGs did a better job passing as well. Wings and bigs looked quicker moving. Jackson wasn't the main issue against BC though. No one individual was. I can pick out a play here or there to prove whatever I want. I could do it to support my point or your point but I'm not talking about one or two isolated plays. That's ridiculous. If some people agree with you that's awesome for you. I'm not going to give you a break on this though. You had to pick someone and it just happened to be Justin. You are the one who started this with me. I know you don't handle disagreement well so responded to THN11 instead.

I didn't randomly pick out Justin. That is ridiculous. It was what it was, and my observation was accurate. He was trying to do too much too soon against BC. He approached this game differently against VaTech and the positive results showed. As @gobblercalls and @Archer2 said above, he got his shots at better times and within the flow of the offense, and honestly that's not even an arguable point.

And BTW, they weren't "isolated plays". It was the story of the game, and the ample team Assist numbers bear that out.

Everyone did. The entire offense ran better. Justin being the primary culprit is an arguable point, which is why you are arguing about it. Justin's shots in both games were pretty similar. I have no need to claim it is not arguable though. That isn't necessary when one's point stands on its own. Justin's inability to pass the ball around wasn't the reason other people didn't get the assists you feel they deserved. You be you though.

 

[trestyles]

Then say questionable shot selection. Don't give JJ the selfish black hole label. Posters wanted him to be the Alpha dog this season, but now wanna say he need to calm down with the way he take shots. Alpha dogs going to take questionable shots at times. It's no pleasing some of y'all.

Jayson from dook deserve a label like "black hole".