still think there is an anti UNC officiating bias?
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Who's "our"? You went to both school
But yeah the officiating is just bad in general
I know I know, but seriously I try to watch these games objectively. I am happy with whoever wins, and angry because of whoever loses. Was explaining to a friend earlier it's probably like when Archie watches Eli vs. Peyton. Doesn't want either one of them to lose!
Also, silver lining for me is I think UNC has a more favorable schedule left when compared to Pitt, and I think has a legitimate chance of running the table and really making some noise. Plus, not to get WAY too cart before horse, but UNC matches up better against (assuming) Clemson than Pitt due to the tempo and athleticism. Think we are the only ones out of the Coastal that really have an actual shot against them.
But a lot of other things have to happen first!
But a lot of other things have to happen first!
Yes, I do. Very few questionable calls tonight....2 worst ones BOTH went against us. 2 BS phantom PI calls that kept Pitt drive alive that even got them to the point of a chance to kick an onsides.
I guess it's a matter of perspective. On the Pitt board, they're saying "oh sure, NOW you finally call a penalty, with a minute thirty left in a 2 score game."
Personally I thought one was legit PI, the other was a stretch.
The most egregious calls I thought, in terms of Pitt's side, were 1) a pretty blatant hold that went uncalled and led to a 1st down (you saw Narduzzi really upset afterwards, and they showed the replay - I don't think you can argue that it probably should not have been called) and 2) at the end of the 2nd quarter, that they did not review how much time should have been on the clock. It looked like it could have been 3 seconds - not saying it definitely was - but I thought they should have ensured the my got that right. Big difference because then Pitt can spike it and kick a field goal.
That being said, I do NOT think the officials played any real outcome in the game (neither did they in the Wake Forest game of course, but there were still many up in arms due to the terrible "fair catch" debacle) and UNC definitely deserved to win, were better prepared (Pitt's clock management down the stretch there was terrible and you could argue they shouldn't have even been in that position to end the half), and I think the biggest reason is that, to a man, had better athletes on the field.
Personally I thought one was legit PI, the other was a stretch.
The most egregious calls I thought, in terms of Pitt's side, were 1) a pretty blatant hold that went uncalled and led to a 1st down (you saw Narduzzi really upset afterwards, and they showed the replay - I don't think you can argue that it probably should not have been called) and 2) at the end of the 2nd quarter, that they did not review how much time should have been on the clock. It looked like it could have been 3 seconds - not saying it definitely was - but I thought they should have ensured the my got that right. Big difference because then Pitt can spike it and kick a field goal.
That being said, I do NOT think the officials played any real outcome in the game (neither did they in the Wake Forest game of course, but there were still many up in arms due to the terrible "fair catch" debacle) and UNC definitely deserved to win, were better prepared (Pitt's clock management down the stretch there was terrible and you could argue they shouldn't have even been in that position to end the half), and I think the biggest reason is that, to a man, had better athletes on the field.
F*CK the Pitt radio guys! Whining little bitches. Tell me, what calls definitely went our way? The lack of review at end of 1st half may have been one, b/c Pitt couldn't spike it. But that, max, was a 3 pt. error in a 7 pt. game. More importantly, that was an error of OMISSION.... not COMMISSION, as the BS going against us lately.
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The ACC refs are THE WORST I've seen. I thought the Guido Big East Cheating Refs were bad, these guys are worse. Some of the calls / no calls against Pitt were ridiculous in the first half:
- The non holding call when your Offensive Tackle literally tackled the Pitt Defensive End on your QB's run right in front of the Pitt Bench.
- The loss of two seconds at the end of the half to prevent Pitt from spiking the ball.
- The no Pass Interference call at the end of the first half.
The way the College Football system is designed is totally bogus. 4 teams with 5 Power Conferences? The ACC is going to ENSURE that Clemson is going to finish strong. They might not need help but if they do , in an ACC game, they will get it.
This should be an 8 team playoff . The 5 winners of the P5 Conferences + 3 at large teams. Right now, Temple, Memphis, Houston have NO CHANCE of being one of the 4. The only way it will change is if the SEC is omitted from the 4 teams. Their refs will be cheating their rear ends off to ensure that doesn't happen. So I hope Ole Miss wins the West, a two loss team wins the East and then beat Ole Miss in the SEC title game so they have a "Champion" with 2 losses and get left out. The whining from the glorified High Schools in the SEC will be deafening.
So my wish for the 4 Playoff teams is:
- Ohio State
- Clemson
- TCU or Baylor
- Notre Dame
Just want to clarify on the last play of the 1st half Panther. Your receiver stepped out of bounds making him ineligible until the ball was touched.
The hold you mentioned (on Turner BTW), was missed. We got no points on that possession. Pitt's #70, OTOH, in the 2nd half, pulled to the UNC sideline and blatantly held a UNC DB, no call...wrapped w/ his arm just like Turner did in the 1st half. Result was a first down. Pitt scored 3 that possession.
Holding on run plays happens every play.
Holding on run plays happens every play.
Sorry, the Pitt radio guys are right. The calls against Pitt in the first half ( or non calls ) were ridiculous. Yeah, Pitt gets 2 PI Calls down 13 with 1 minute left. Big Deal. No Impact to the game. Pitt lost because UNC made more plays in the first half. However, the ACC refs are ridiculously bad.
To me, the clock thing at the end of the first half is a non-issue for two reasons, both of which are coaching related. Pitt wasted 10 seconds before calling time out on the other side of the field at the start of that drive. Secondly, if you draw up a play for the middle of the field with 8 seconds left and no time outs, that's a call where you set yourself up to fail imo. You either throw end zone or sideline, not the middle of the field and hope everyone gets back onside and at the line of scrimmage before you run out of time to spike it. BC found that out the hard way in a similar situation against Wake. Pitt got a chance at a play which was very unlikely anyway given the play call, but that wasn't totally the refs jobbing Pitt. They might have some blame, but to me, clock management on Pitt's part that whole drive was terrible.
It's a difference of 25 yards of Field Position. It ended up being 1st and 10 at the Pitt 40. It should have been 2nd and 20 at the Pitt 15. Now, UNC might have thrown an 85 yard TD Pass on the next play. The point is make the freaking blatant call and let the game play out.
Why have replay then? The replay showed 3 seconds left. No argument Pitt squandered 12 seconds. The point is , again, make the right call and let the game play out. If replay is bogus, just call it studio wrestling.
OK, then make the other one, too. Pitt scored on that drive (3rd Q), and that was the first down that got them in FG range.
Look, after the bullchit UNC has gotten the last 3 weeks (12 penalties last week, most of them when we were in the uva redzone, the "fair catch" on Switz that simply wasn't (and the the league office supported the obvious BS), and the GT "first down" that was 2 links shy on the measurement yet still given to them) w/ games very much in doubt (not Wake), we as a fanbase just aren't in the mood to listen to "Carolina Refs" whining.
I've watched UNC a few times and saw first hand two occasions where your team was hosed by the refs:
1). The ridiculous favorable spot given to Georgia Tech on a 4th down play in the 2nd half. Your D stopped the receiver 1 full yard short of the stick and they gave GT the first down.
2). The Offensive PI call against your wideout nullifying a great catch at the end of the first half of the UVA game. Terrible Call.
Pitt has been hosed as much by bad calls as UNC has. The point is, at this level, utilizing the available technology there is no excuse for making bad calls. Either be fair , get it right and let the game play out or call it Studio Wrestling.
Even w/ the very favorable spot, the MEASUREMENT still came up short and the smug ass ref gave GT the first down.
Well, I agree they need to make the right call, but in this situation, for them to make the right call, they would have had to make it on the field and not via replay. Any use of replay would have given an unfair advantage to Pitt. The clock was supposed to start once the ball was set. If they have 3 seconds (which, it looked like 2 to me, but let's say 3), they still would have had to get everyone on side and in position for a spike while the clock was running. Could they have done it? Possibly. But If they had stopped the game to review it, that would have given Pitt the advantage to already have the FG unit on the field for the FG, and it was not a given they would even be able to spike the ball, so therefore, it would have essentially given Pitt a timeout it didn't have. Again, it would have been nice for the refs to make the right call the first time, but what they did was about the fairest thing they could have done for both teams.
110% spot on. To stop for replay would've provided an egregious unearned advantage to Pitt. Gotta get that right ON the field; go w/ the call made.
That's the rule. Replay is allowed to determine and adjust the clock. Remember the FG Auburn ran back 100+ yards against Alabama to win the game a few years ago? The refs spent 3 minutes reviewing the previous play and then announced "put 1 second on the game clock" , enabling 'Bama to attempt the infamous kick. Multiple times when reviewing a play the refs will announce the decision and then say " Put the Game Clock at ... " They are allowed to adjust the Game Clock via replay. Time taken to review it is not a consideration. The refs blew that call.
That isn't an apples to apples scenario though. The Bama player was out of bounds, therefore it wouldn't have been a running clock anyway. I understand you are able to change the clock via replay, but using that replay to give a team the opportunity to score when the clock would have been running vs. using replay on a dead ball scenario is not the same thing. I'm not saying the refs didn't make a mistake, but there would have been an advantage given to Pitt had replay been used in this instance because it would have effectively served as the timeout Pitt didn't have.
My point is also, had it not been for bad clock management or play calling, this wouldn't even be an issue. That's my big thing. The refs shouldn't have even been in play, imo.
Again, in my opinion, the play should have been reviewed. The clock was stopped because Pitt got a first down, while the sticks were moved. The refs should have reviewed it and set the game clock at 2 or 3 seconds and said " The clock will start on my signal". It would have given Pitt an advantage and maybe enabled the FG attempt. Again, you can't be selective in the application of the rules. The ACC refs suck. It is easy to criticize them as they make blatant mistakes. Really the conference should be embarrassed.
Follow the rules. Make the right call. Let the game play out If you're not going to do that, announce before the game who the winner has been determined to be and call it Studio Wrestling.
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Follow the rules. Make the right call. Let the game play out If you're not going to do that, announce before the game who the winner has been determined to be and call it Studio Wrestling.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that the league conspired to have UNC win a football game?? Oh, THAT'S rich. The league office wants ANYONE but UNC in the title game. Like 2013, Dook will get SO MANY calls next week in Kenan it will be ridiculous. Cut, for some reason, is a media and league darling. League office loves the Dook "story".
Follow the rules. Make the right call. Let the game play out If you're not going to do that, announce before the game who the winner has been determined to be and call it Studio Wrestling.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that the league conspired to have UNC win a football game?? Oh, THAT'S rich. The league office wants ANYONE but UNC in the title game. Like 2013, Dook will get SO MANY calls next week in Kenan it will be ridiculous. Cut, for some reason, is a media and league darling. League office loves the Dook "story".
^^ No. No review should've happened. The clock operator should've correctly stopped it at TWO seconds, then started it after moving the chains. There's ZERO way Pitt would've gotten everyone set and spiked it without time expiring. There's just no way.
Instead, the clock operator (also a ref) messed up and it led to chaos. If the play was officiated correctly, Pitt would've been out of time. No clue why they didn't attempt a FG.
Honestly thought the officiating was decent this game for an ACC crew
Instead, the clock operator (also a ref) messed up and it led to chaos. If the play was officiated correctly, Pitt would've been out of time. No clue why they didn't attempt a FG.
Honestly thought the officiating was decent this game for an ACC crew
Are you saying that the league conspired to have UNC win a football game?? Oh, THAT'S rich. The league office wants ANYONE but UNC in the title game. Like 2013, Dook will get SO MANY calls next week in Kenan it will be ridiculous. Cut, for some reason, is a media and league darling. League office loves the Dook "story".[/QUOTE]
I'm saying the ACC refs are ridiculously bad and made multiple bad calls against Pitt . Do I think it changed the outcome. No. North Carolina was the better team tonight. For now, you have better athletes. I'm saying do the right thing and make the right call and then let the game play out. Your comment regarding Duke and your game next week means you believe the same thing. That's a sad thing. I don't care who wins your game next week. I would think all fans would want the players and coaches on the field to determine it and not the game officials. The best officiated games are ones where there is not much controversy. Obviously, by this discussion, there was a little bit of controversy and hard feeling, regarding the refs, on Pitt's part.
Again, Congratulations. I believe UNC was the better team tonight. I still think the ACC refs are terrible. Just my opinion. Good luck the rest of the season and good night.
As you say " the clock operator ( also a ref ) messed up ...." Isn't that what replay is designed to correct? By your own statement, if there is any doubt, reviewable plays should be reviewed. You can't decide which reviewable plays get reviewed and which ones don't.
PIK you can visit here anytime there's a close ACC game and see what you see on just about every other Board around..."da RAY_UFFS" posts. Some fans get upset and vent..no biggie.
Do I think the ACC needs to improve it's refs? Oh HELL yes I do. Personally I think every ref in the country needs to be the best we can get.
Anyway before the game I wished for no serious injuries and a clean game. Hope none of your kids are hurt...now good luck and win out.
Do I think the ACC needs to improve it's refs? Oh HELL yes I do. Personally I think every ref in the country needs to be the best we can get.
Anyway before the game I wished for no serious injuries and a clean game. Hope none of your kids are hurt...now good luck and win out.
Because a review would let Pitt's offense stand in formation and successfully spike it as soon as play restarted.....thus an unfair advantage.
As I stated, if the play was correctly officiated, Pitt would've run out of time.
Either way, in the chaos, if Pitt has been astute they would have had time to send their FG team out and kick with 1 second. But they didn't.
At the end of the first half, the TV guys were saying that "in order to run a play", in that situation by the rule book (?), team needs 3 seconds on the clock to run a play (?)...what rule book were they looking at last night? I thought they should have given Pitt 3 if not 2 sec...
Those morons were tough to follow. But what I gathered was that a team needs, by rule, 3 seconds to run the spike play, as it takes 2 seconds off the clock, leaving 1 second for the field goal.
Zero chance Pitt gets off another play if the refs and clock operator do their jobs correctly. Not gonna concede that one as some sort of "gripe" in Pitt's favor. Hell, they were incredibly dumb to even attempt another play before that with no timeouts left.
I believe the rule states that there must be three seconds or more on the clock in order to spike the ball - that's what they were referring to.
True. It goes in waves, hitting some teams harder for a couple of weeks, and then moving on.Who's "our"? You went to both school
But yeah the officiating is just bad in general
Refs missed a holding call on the long TD pass that UNC had. Everyone at the game thought all the flags were for the holding call instead of the facemask penalty. A chant started from the students saying "you can't do that" It was a pretty blatant hold from my seats directly in front of the play. At the very least, should have been offsetting. That is only one play, but it was 7 points which was the difference in the game. UNC had the better athletes and played a great game. I was surprised Pitt held them in check in the second half. Good luck the rest of the season.
I was sitting at the game surrounded by Pitt fans ... it was a bitch-fest from start to finish. Great folks overall but WOW they were a bunch of crybabies --- and it was blatantly obvious who the better team was, on both sides of the ball.
