still think there is an anti UNC officiating bias?

[Billheel]

Refs missed a holding call on the long TD pass that UNC had. Everyone at the game thought all the flags were for the holding call instead of the facemask penalty. A chant started from the students saying "you can't do that" It was a pretty blatant hold from my seats directly in front of the play. At the very least, should have been offsetting. That is only one play, but it was 7 points which was the difference in the game. UNC had the better athletes and played a great game. I was surprised Pitt held them in check in the second half. Good luck the rest of the season.

As someone who works 5 or 6 NCAA games (FCS school) each season from the sidelines, I get to see and interact with the game officials a lot. Holding can literally be called on 99% of all plays. Most officials will only call it if they think that it has an effect on the play's outcome or is so blatant that they have no other choice. The hold you mentioned on the long TD was away from the ball and probably would not have changed the outcome. The facemask on the other hand should have altered the play but because MW is such a stud was overcome.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Hood's forward progress should've been called on the play where he fumbled and we would've gotten that first down and possibly had punched it in for 7. You can play the what-if game all day.

There was no game-changing calls in my opinion, so it's a moot discussion. Maybe Narduzzi should focus more on clock management than yelling at the refs? Not trying to be a dick, but I'm not gonna feel bad for you or your team. Y'all had plenty of chances to get back into the game and we had plenty of chances to blow y'all out. Everything pretty much balanced out.

 

[DeanFor President]

Pretty ballsy for Pitt fans to be complaining about holding. At least one UNC lineman was getting held pretty much every play. I saw multiple plays where the UNC lineman had beaten his man, only to be running in quicksand because his arm or jersey was being pulled back behind him.

 

[The Sharkster]

The Pitt coach was jawing that the refs all night. Got sick of them showing him.

 

[Raising Heel]

I believe the rule states that there must be three seconds or more on the clock in order to spike the ball - that's what they were referring to.

Correct. By rule, you cannot spike the ball with only two seconds left on the clock.

It's a moot point regardless. What nobody has mentioned about the previous play is that the clock isn't supposed to stop when the player goes down. It only stops on the official's signal, and there's a natural delay between the two events (player down/official signal). ESPN embedding the clock on the screen while showing the replay in slow motion was absolutely pointless. The call from the official is all that matters there.

 

[HeelFan58]

Refs missed a holding call on the long TD pass that UNC had. Everyone at the game thought all the flags were for the holding call instead of the facemask penalty. A chant started from the students saying "you can't do that" It was a pretty blatant hold from my seats directly in front of the play. At the very least, should have been offsetting. That is only one play, but it was 7 points which was the difference in the game. UNC had the better athletes and played a great game. I was surprised Pitt held them in check in the second half. Good luck the rest of the season.

There are holds on practically every play. In the UNC-UVa game there was a UVa OL tackle/take down right in front of the ref and he was looking right at it but no flag. They will never miss a hold or block in the back on the majority of KO'/punt returns though. I don't think there is a bias it's just bad officiating.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Would just like to go on record saying that the OP starting this thread RIGHT after this game was inappropriate.

I get that the OP is a fan of both schools but still, kinda isn't what we should be talking about after a win. Let Pitt discuss officiating on their board of they want.

Just my $.02

 

[Raising Heel]

Would just like to go on record saying that the OP starting this thread RIGHT after this game was inappropriate.

Meh. Knee-jerk reaction to the tin foil hat threads over here. It happens.

 

[UNC_Blue]

This was uncalled, should we be angry?

 

[UNC_Blue]

Meh. Knee-jerk reaction to the tin foil hat threads over here. It happens.

And Pitt fans have near wuffie like ref conspiracy posts.

 

[imajericho]

I was sitting at the game surrounded by Pitt fans ... it was a bitch-fest from start to finish. Great folks overall but WOW they were a bunch of crybabies --- and it was blatantly obvious who the better team was, on both sides of the ball.

I watched a Pitt fan with his approximately 9 year old son with him start punching the seat over and over with like 5 minutes left in the game. Lol. Oh and just one kick for good measure top!

 

[razzaba]

And Pitt fans have near wuffie like ref conspiracy posts.

And the normal, regular posters there typically rebuke them. Most of the sane Pitt fans agreed that the better team won, that UNC had better athletes, and that the referees did not decide the outcome of this one.

Every fan base has their loonies and conspiracy theorists.

My post in this was really in response to the posts that WE here on the UNC board had the week and two weeks prior about the "anti UNC officiating bias" - mostly with regards to the GA Tech and Wake Forest games. Go back and read my posts on that thread. My narrative has not changed in that I do not think the officials are conspiring, merely that they are BAD - and I think it's crazy when any fan base (whether Pitt, UNC, and I'm sure Duke feels slighted too after last nights debacle on the last play - even though they got the benefit nearly the whole game) claims bias instead of incompetence

 

[UNCGridironFanatic]

And the normal, regular posters there typically rebuke them. Most of the sane Pitt fans agreed that the better team won, that UNC had better athletes, and that the referees did not decide the outcome of this one.

Every fan base has their loonies and conspiracy theorists.

My post in this was really in response to the posts that WE here on the UNC board had the week and two weeks prior about the "anti UNC officiating bias" - mostly with regards to the GA Tech and Wake Forest games. Go back and read my posts on that thread. My narrative has not changed in that I do not think the officials are conspiring, merely that they are BAD - and I think it's crazy when any fan base (whether Pitt, UNC, and I'm sure Duke feels slighted too after last nights debacle on the last play - even though they got the benefit nearly the whole game) claims bias instead of incompetence

If there is no bias, why is there only action when dook complains? We've been hosed far more often, and not a soul has even been reprimanded. Now that dook complains, suspensions abound.

 

[Raising Heel]

If there is no bias, why is there only action when dook complains? We've been hosed far more often, and not a soul has even been reprimanded. Now that dook complains, suspensions abound.

I think it has less to do with who was complaining and more to do with 1) the number of mistakes (three on the final play alone), 2) the egregious nature of the mistakes, and 3) the fact that the mistakes changed the outcome of the game.

 

[Archer2]

When we complain, we don't even rate a response from the Head of Officials, despite plenty of video evidence. If dook wins with blatant assistance from the refs, is there any backlash from the ACC? I think not. Their culpability lies in their failure to publicly acknowledge repeatedly egregious mistakes by officials. They have allowed discontent with incompetence to fester. If it takes something like this to effect change, so be it.

 

[UNCGridironFanatic]

I think it has less to do with who was complaining and more to do with 1) the number of mistakes (three on the final play alone), 2) the egregious nature of the mistakes, and 3) the fact that the mistakes changed the outcome of the game.

That the mistakes may or may not change outcomes of games is, or SHOULD BE, irrelevant. I agree w/ you the outcome is why the league office is responding, but that is simply more evidence of bias...."here, we'll cover the kick in the nads UNC takes weekly by pointing out that they won and therefore our bias can continue unabated". Had we lost to uva by one point or 10, the Hollins off. PI was a DISHONEST call that needs public reprimand. But apparently, in the ACC, only officials for dook games can get that public rebuke...and only if they don't favor the Blew Imps.

And why can Cutcliffe continue his injudicious bellyaching, w/ no consequence, in direct contravention to the ACC's stated policy on coaches not criticizing officials' performance?? The rules don't seem to apply to high priest Cutcliffe.

 

[UNC71-00]

That the mistakes may or may not change outcomes of games is, or SHOULD BE, irrelevant. I agree w/ you the outcome is why the league office is responding, but that is simply more evidence of bias...."here, we'll cover the kick in the nads UNC takes weekly by pointing out that they won and therefore our bias can continue unabated".

And why can Cutcliffe continue his injudicious bellyaching, w/ no consequence, in direct contravention to the ACC's stated policy on coaches not criticizing officials' performance?? The rules don't seem to apply to high priest Cutcliffe.

I hope Cut whines about it every day until Christ returns.

 

[HeelFan58]

When we complain, we don't even rate a response from the Head of Officials, despite plenty of video evidence. If dook wins with blatant assistance from the refs, is there any backlash from the ACC? I think not. Their culpability lies in their failure to publicly acknowledge repeatedly egregious mistakes by officials. They have allowed discontent with incompetence to fester. If it takes something like this to effect change, so be it.

We got a response from the league office. A response of support for the officials.

 

[Archer2]

I guess it was a response of sorts, wasn't it? Sorta akin to shooting us the bird.

 

[Bubspub88]

yes I do