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I don't think Afghanistan was about oil. There's a lithium vein and poppy fields, too.

And, it's hard to buy anything cheap if they're selling it in a different currency, or want gold instead of Federal Reserve Notes (or computer digits).

Iraq was selling oil in the world market. They agreed to give the US primary buying rights in an attempt to stave off an invasion.

Is there an evidence that we took poppy and lithium from Afghanistan? I’m genuinely asking, I’m not familiar with the situation with their natural resources.

I will say this, pulling out troops right now is a cheap political stunt that will create a power vacuum in areas that a lot of brave men and women fought and died to secure. Pulling out of Syria in particular is a terrible move that could lead to tens of thousands of innocent people dying. It’s exactly what Russia wants so that they can take strategic control of the region. Trump supporters can no longer ask “but what is trump giving Russia?”
 
We're not talking about a cabinet member here and there. Are you paying attention? Have you been paying attention?

This dumbfvck is off his rocker. I don't mean that in a passing, joking way. Read his tweets today. prlyles put it into perfect words and a perfect summation. If there is anything metaphoric here it's how this administration has revealed just how long it really takes, in actual time, for the thing to unravel when you have incompetence in charge. We have a stubborn 12-year-old mind playing president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmations_of_Barack_Obama's_Cabinet

What is unraveling besides the stock market, which Trump has zero control over?
 
JFK was murdered by Lee Harvey Oswald- a kook seeking attention, acting alone. No Fed conspiracy.

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Iraq was selling oil in the world market. They agreed to give the US primary buying rights in an attempt to stave off an invasion.

Is there an evidence that we took poppy and lithium from Afghanistan? I’m genuinely asking, I’m not familiar with the situation with their natural resources.

I will say this, pulling out troops right now is a cheap political stunt that will create a power vacuum in areas that a lot of brave men and women fought and died to secure. Pulling out of Syria in particular is a terrible move that could lead to tens of thousands of innocent people dying. It’s exactly what Russia wants so that they can take strategic control of the region. Trump supporters can no longer ask “but what is trump giving Russia?”

When Trump lowered the corporate tax rates, you people bitched and bitched about having to cut costs. Now that Trump is cutting costs, you're bitching about that.

Oh, and the argument "that a lot of brave men and women fought and died to secure" is a weak one. If you made a mistake, you don't compound that by repeating the same mistake over and over again.
 
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Is there an evidence that we took poppy and lithium from Afghanistan? I’m genuinely asking, I’m not familiar with the situation with their natural resources.

What kind of evidence do you need? Is there an opioid crisis in the USA?

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html

I have doubts that you'll see headlines like "The US Military secures natural resources to enhance corporate profits" in many newspapers.
 
Oh, and the argument "that a lot of brave men and women fought and died to secure" is a weak one. If you made a mistake, you don't compound that by repeating the same mistake over and over again.
I agree with that. But, I do NOT believe that Donald Trump is doing it because of that. You're confusing Ron Paul with Donald Trump at the worst times. It's a shame. But, I know you're mostly here as an act, so it's all good.
 
What kind of evidence do you need? Is there an opioid crisis in the USA?

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html

I have doubts that you'll see headlines like "The US Military secures natural resources to enhance corporate profits" in many newspapers.

Most of the opiods that are prescribed to Americans are synthetic. That is not evidence of taking resources from Afghanistan.

It doesn’t have to be from newspapers. I’m sure there is some evidence out there if it happened. I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I was just asking.
 
I agree with that. But, I do NOT believe that Donald Trump is doing it because of that. You're confusing Ron Paul with Donald Trump at the worst times. It's a shame. But, I know you're mostly here as an act, so it's all good.

I'm not confusing anything. I don't care what Trump's reasons for pulling us out, but I'm still going to support the action because it's the right thing to do.
 
I can't take full credit for that because there was some sarcasm in my comment. I've never been fully convinced of that event. I never trust any "official story", but, I don't have time, nor really care, one way or the other. It's not like I can ever know for sure. None of us can. we believe what we choose to believe... like most things in life.
 
Most of the opiods that are prescribed to Americans are synthetic. That is not evidence of taking resources from Afghanistan.

It doesn’t have to be from newspapers. I’m sure there is some evidence out there if it happened. I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I was just asking.
And, don't forget about the profits from America's biggest donors- Northrop-Grumman, General Dynamics, and other MIC corporations. "Let's play war and sell stuff."
 
When Trump lowered the corporate tax rates, you people bitched and bitched about having to cut costs. Now that Trump is cutting costs, you're bitching about that.

Oh, and the argument "that a lot of brave men and women fought and died to secure" is a weak one. If you made a mistake, you don't compound that by repeating the same mistake over and over again.

You are the most incoherent human being I have ever encountered. Nobody “bitched about cutting costs” when he lowered the corporate tax rate. We criticized him for using a tax bill to transfer wealth to the wealthiest people in the country.

You obviously don’t know anything about the region. Taking ground from radical islamists means that more little girls can go to school without having acid thrown in their face. It means that more people can avoid being taken out into the public square to have a drill bit pushed through their skull into their brain. It means less resources for those islamists to use to attack the west and their own people. If you want to call that a mistake then go right ahead, but you sound foolish.
 
I can't take full credit for that because there was some sarcasm in my comment. I've never been fully convinced of that event. I never trust any "official story", but, I don't have time, nor really care, one way or the other. It's not like I can ever know for sure. None of us can. we believe what we choose to believe... like most things in life.

You're right, nobody knows for sure. However, a good way to look at this is, 1) Follow the money, and 2) who benefits from this action? Who benefitted from JFKs death? It was the Fed and the MIC. Who makes a mega super duper f*** ton of money off these wars? The Fed and the MIC.
 
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You are the most incoherent human being I have ever encountered. Nobody “bitched about cutting costs” when he lowered the corporate tax rate. We criticized him for using a tax bill to transfer wealth to the wealthiest people in the country.

You obviously don’t know anything about the region. Taking ground from radical islamists means that more little girls can go to school without having acid thrown in their face. It means that more people can avoid being taken out into the public square to have a drill bit pushed through their skull into their brain. It means less resources for those islamists to use to attack the west and their own people. If you want to call that a mistake then go right ahead, but you sound foolish.

That's just plain BS. All the crying on here about inflation and overspending? You're just lying through your teeth at this point.

As for the rest of your argument, what is your plan then? Do we stay there until the end of time, spending money we don't have for people who don't want their freedom enough to fight for it? There's horrible crap going on around the world. Is it our responsibility to remedy the world's ills? That's insane. Look at what is going on in Africa right now. Doctors are tying to stem the Ebola outbreak and they're being attacked by armed fighters. Why aren't we in the middle of Africa too? Why do we let that injustice rage on? This is another poor argument.
 
You obviously don’t know anything about the region. Taking ground from radical islamists means that more little girls can go to school without having acid thrown in their face. It means that more people can avoid being taken out into the public square to have a drill bit pushed through their skull into their brain. It means less resources for those islamists to use to attack the west and their own people. If you want to call that a mistake then go right ahead, but you sound foolish.
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

Some of those atrocities have only occurred since the US military got involved! I think you might have a bit of an extreme idea of what life WAS LIKE in Iraq before the US sent troops in there. I wouldn't want to live there, but I wasn't born there. I wouldn't want to live anywhere north of NC because of the climate!
 
Why? In what senario would his act of pulling us out of Syria and possibly Afghanistan be a big mistake? I don't get what you're so upset about?
I'm not "upset" about the troops leaving, assuming they even do. But, I'm not naive to say "I don't care WHY he's doing it!" When we're talking about Donald Trump, I never wanna err on the side of "well, what the hell."
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

Some of those atrocities have only occurred since the US military got involved! I think you might have a bit of an extreme idea of what life WAS LIKE in Iraq before the US sent troops in there. I wouldn't want to live there, but I wasn't born there. I wouldn't want to live anywhere north of NC because of the climate!

The guy is worried about "tens of thousands" of people who could be harmed in Syria, but makes no mention of how many people all these wars have killed. So, we should kill 100,000 people in order to save 10,000? Sure, that makes sense.
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

Some of those atrocities have only occurred since the US military got involved! I think you might have a bit of an extreme idea of what life WAS LIKE in Iraq before the US sent troops in there. I wouldn't want to live there, but I wasn't born there. I wouldn't want to live anywhere north of NC because of the climate!

That’s entirely false. There has been sectarian Islamist violence there for 1400 years. It started a long time before the US got involved. Read “Infidel” by Ayan Hirsi Ali if you want to know what life was like for women in the Middle East. Human oppression has been a historical constant in that region for centuries.
 
That’s entirely false. There has been sectarian Islamist violence there for 1400 years. It started a long time before the US got involved. Read “Infidel” by Ayan Hirsi Ali if you want to know what life was like for women in the Middle East. Human oppression has been a historical constant in that region for centuries.

So how do you fix that? By going to war with everyone who mistreats women? Obviously nobody wants anything bad to happen to women over there, but how do we stop it without killing a ton of people and bankrupting the country?
 
Nole...the Kurds are a helluva lot better off these days. Had Saddam remained in power I have serious doubts that any would still be around. In Iraq, at least. Saddam butchered them like animals.

The Kurds were at one time America's staunchest allies in that region. Not as much these days.
 
Nole...the Kurds are a helluva lot better off these days. Had Saddam remained in power I have serious doubts that any would still be around. In Iraq, at least. Saddam butchered them like animals.

The Kurds were at one time America's staunchest allies in that region. Not as much these days.

Again, I'm not saying that Saddam wasn't a terrible person. I'm just asking when does it all stop? At what point can we not fight everyone's battles for them?
 
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That’s entirely false. There has been sectarian Islamist violence there for 1400 years. It started a long time before the US got involved. Read “Infidel” by Ayan Hirsi Ali if you want to know what life was like for women in the Middle East. Human oppression has been a historical constant in that region for centuries.
I'm not saying that the region was like main street America... it wasn't. I'm not encouraging or advocating how those people were living, or their culture. I don't understand it. But, I don't think that invading a country militarily and adding more instability and death is a logical way to change that. And, I also don't buy that the US Military went in there for JUST THAT REASON. I've never seen a war that didn't make the same people more wealthy... every... single... time.

I hope some good things have come from it. I know that medical technology always advances in the wake of wars. I guess that's a silver lining.
 
Again, I'm not saying that Saddam wasn't a terrible person. I'm just asking when does it all stop? At what point can we not fight everyone's battles for them?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and it has always been drilled into me that we do not leave our friends on the battlefield. We broke our word to the Kurds. Now we're breaking our word to our friends. I would have walked out with Mattis. We're leaving the coalition to finish our fight, not theirs IMO.
 
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I'm not saying that the region was like main street America... it wasn't. I'm not encouraging or advocating how those people were living, or their culture. I don't understand it. But, I don't think that invading a country militarily and adding more instability and death is a logical way to change that. And, I also don't buy that the US Military went in there for JUST THAT REASON. I've never seen a war that didn't make the same people more wealthy... every... single... time.

I hope some good things have come from it. I know that medical technology always advances in the wake of wars. I guess that's a silver lining.

When there are bad people that are willing to die to advance an evil ideology, then sometimes the only option is obliging their desire for martyrdom. I wish there was a better option but some of these people just need to be killed so that innocent people aren’t endlessly tortured.

It’s funny to me how conservatives will harp on about Israel’s right to exist but can dismiss that principle when it comes to the Kurds. Obviously not talking about you, but the irony astounds me.
 
When there are bad people that are willing to die to advance an evil ideology, then sometimes the only option is obliging their desire for martyrdom. I wish there was a better option but some of these people just need to be killed so that innocent people aren’t endlessly tortured.

It’s funny to me how conservatives will harp on about Israel’s right to exist but can dismiss that principle when it comes to the Kurds. Obviously not talking about you, but the irony astounds me.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Kurds don't have a right to exist.
 
DJI loses 640 points on Christmas Eve, then goes up 1600 points the 26th. Now, back down 600 points.

Just as stable as the CIC.
 
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2018 my mutual funds are +7.4%. Last 2 years they are +14.5%.

Even with the losses lately I'm still WAAAAAY up from the Obummer years.

I drive a GMC Yukon so I'm taking the massive amount of gas money saved and putting it into my ROTH. Win-win!! Thanks 45.
LOL at this post. You didn't do well under Obama. Sad
 
LOL at this post. You didn't do well under Obama. Sad
I did okay under the ass clown, +8% or so, but that's not awesome over an 8 year span honestly. But I also lost close to $14k over 3 years due to Obamacare - and gas averaged $3.88/gallon during his tenure.
 
I did okay under the ass clown, +8% or so, but that's not awesome over an 8 year span honestly. But I also lost close to $14k over 3 years due to Obamacare - and gas averaged $3.88/gallon during his tenure.
Bruh, the market was up 149% from the start to end of Obama. You are lying or an idiot when you say you saw 8% growth in the Obama years.

I crushed it under Obama and have been doing so under Trump as well. And when Trump's recession happens, I'll scoop more assets.
 
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A lot of stupid shit being thrown around in this thread from both sides.
 
Bruh, the market was up 149% from the start to end of Obama. You are lying or an idiot when you say you saw 8% growth in the Obama years.

I crushed it under Obama and have been doing so under Trump as well. And when Trump's recession happens, I'll scoop more assets.
The fluctuations of this week have got to be unprecedented, right? 1600 points yesterday . 800 points today. Down 600, ends in the green +270!?
Insane
 
The fluctuations of this week have got to be unprecedented, right? 1600 points yesterday . 800 points today. Down 600, ends in the green +270!?
Insane
It’s pretty unprecedented. Glad I don’t actually mess around in the market seriously.
 
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