The South's Oldest Rivalry

[tarheel0910]

Football fandom is a big problem for UNC.

I would argue that the way some think fandom should be is the problem. Let people do what they want to do. No need to get all pissy and act like they are some kind of Benedict Arnold because they don't meet some kind of artificial expectations that some have. I'm not directing this specifically at you or specifically at UNC fans. It's more of a general statement.

 

[HeelFan58]

So which is it? You post on the topics you care for the most or the one who has the most people to talk to? Either way you must love Hilary Clinton and chick since you post about them all of the time.

You got me there. I do love to post about/at those 2.

 

[UNC_Blue]

Woad, sometimes you are so far off base...
Most of the UNC fans I am aware of enjoy almost all of the UNC sports, they like to see successful student/athletes in academics and athletics, makes for a well rounded person.
Small sample but I don't know any UNC fans that focus on any one sport to the exclusion of all others, they may have a favorite sport, but typically enjoy most of our sports including non-revenue/Olympic...

Woad is absolutely correct.

 

[UNC_Blue]

The % of UNC football-first fans who have a deep interest in at least one other UNC sport is much higher than that of UNC basketball-first fans who have a deep interest in at least one other UNC sport. Denying that is rather like a BLM protestor in Charlotte denying his crowd pulled people from cars to beat them and tried to burn a journalist/photographer in a trash bin, because he KNOWS his movement is all about peace and tolerance.

Over the years, I have posted reminders by the many dozens on UNC basketball boards about other UNC sports being televised. A number of those reminders I turned into game threads, allowing the basketball-firsters to stay on a basketball board and still be able to follow UNC lacrosse or baseball. Almost all of those threads have featured smart ass shots at me from UNC baskektball-firsters.

When I have started lacrosse or baseball or soccer threads here, nobody makes a stink about how the sacred 1sport board is not for trouble makers. And people always join in and show support. Always. Last year, we had people here commenting on women's lacrosse.

And it's worse than that. Last year during the season of Sacred Cow sport, after I had decided that posting about basketball on a basketball board is a waste of time because UNC internet hoops posters tend to be an inbred group incapable of discerning anything they don't already assume, a moderator came to this board to threaten to ban me for posting a link here to yet another article showing that football is at least 4 times more valuable than basketball.

Truth is not something the basketball-onlys and basektball-firsters of any fan base will stomach as long as they can silence those who fail to worship with them.

Years ago, when the football program was hapless under Bunting and later when it showed real possibility under Davis, I spent some time trying to persuade UNC basketball-onlys and basketball-firsters to spend some time on a football board during football season. Invariably, those people would assert that the second UNC football was able to compete for something beyond 7 wins that they would do so.

WE won the Coastal last year, and none of that crowd came over and participated here. We are again ranked and have a good shot to be back to back Coastal Champs. And the basketball-onlys and basketball-firsters remain locked down on a basketball board.

I tell you what - you rally the basektaball-onlys to move into basketball-first status and also prod the basketball-first crowd to come here and post during the football season, post on game threads. And when we see it actually happening, I'll take the lead to trumpet the sign of good things coming for fans of Tar Heel athletics.

Was this the same mod who likes to belittle posters and name call, all while threatening to ban you if you defend yourself, if you mention that there are a lot of BB only fans?

 

[UNC_Blue]

I don't care if there's a UNC football fan that just doesn't care about basketball, or vice versa. Or if there are people out there who are obsessed with UNC baseball and lax, but don't give a damn about football or basketball or anything like that.

The more fans the better, so even if we have a bunch of bandwagon basketball fans, that's fine by me. But I do somewhat snicker at their fandom if they are hardcore UNC basketball fans, and like college football - but pull for a more popular bandwagon football school, like oh I dunno - let's just pull out a random one off the top of my head - Auburn.

Oh damn, this means we are about to see a...

 

[JimmyinVA]

...Woad is a lot more correct in this thread than some of y'all want to admit. Football fandom is a big problem for UNC....

i can't imagine a carolina football fan who's satisfied with the level of fan support at unc, of course it's a problem. the dispute is about the cause of the problem, and the solution. woad continuously blames the problem on unc basketball and bad fans, and the solution (i guess) is to criticize them relentlessly until they develop more loyalty for football. i simply don't agree with that. i believe there will be more football fan support if the team can put together a string of good seasons like last year without a pathetic bowl performance leaving a bad taste. all this antagonism for unc basketball makes no sense to me. winning generates fan enthusiasm, especially winning national titles and final four appearances. those fans could just as easily criticize the football first fans on this board for being bad fans. in fact, if i weren't already a die hard carolina football fan for the past 51 years i'd be very turned off by the holier than thou anti-hoops sentiments on this board. my solution is for the football team to keep improving and for those of us who love unc football to keep bragging about the fun we're having supporting a winner. like tom sawyer getting the neighborhood kids to paint the fence. you catch more flies with honey than vinegar -- and there's a lot of vinegar on this board.

 

[gauchoheel]

Anyone have a link to a more detailed history of UNC football? I'd love to know more about it being deemphasized. I'm more interested in the "political" history of UNC athletics than W-L records. Those can all be found pretty easily. And I've thoroughly read all the related Wiki pages.

 

[UNC_Blue]

i can't imagine a carolina football fan who's satisfied with the level of fan support at unc, of course it's a problem. the dispute is about the cause of the problem, and the solution. woad continuously blames the problem on unc basketball and bad fans, and the solution (i guess) is to criticize them relentlessly until they develop more loyalty for football. i simply don't agree with that. i believe there will be more football fan support if the team can put together a string of good seasons like last year without a pathetic bowl performance leaving a bad taste. all this antagonism for unc basketball makes no sense to me. winning generates fan enthusiasm, especially winning national titles and final four appearances. those fans could just as easily criticize the football first fans on this board for being bad fans. in fact, if i weren't already a die hard carolina football fan for the past 51 years i'd be very turned off by the holier than thou anti-hoops sentiments on this board. my solution is for the football team to keep improving and for those of us who love unc football to keep bragging about the fun we're having supporting a winner. like tom sawyer getting the neighborhood kids to paint the fence. you catch more flies with honey than vinegar -- and there's a lot of vinegar on this board.

Ummm, what? No one here hates hoops, that I have seen that is. We all love hoops, we hate the "FB is for neanderthals buffy" and "I am a yuuuuge UNC fan, but I want to see PSU/Auburn beat UNC in football, yuuuge fan of their FB team".

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Ummm, what? No one here hates hoops, that I have seen that is. We all love hoops, we hate the "FB is for neanderthals buffy" and "I am a yuuuuge UNC fan, but I want to see PSU/Auburn beat UNC in football, yuuuge fan of their FB team".

Yep. If you pull for a different college football team, you don't deserve to pull for our basketball team. If you just don't follow football at all, that's a different story. But to blatantly pick out a "blue blood" football program to follow....weak.

BTW....I hate when people say it "yuge" lol -- such a pet peeve of mine.

 

[tarheel0910]

I'm thinking this board should get together with radar and create a list letting me know what type of fan I have to be to be worthy of pulling for UNC. I want to be a UNC fan, so I need to make sure that I'm meeting the necessary criteria.

 

[JimmyinVA]

Ummm, what? No one here hates hoops, that I have seen that is. We all love hoops, we hate the "FB is for neanderthals buffy" and "I am a yuuuuge UNC fan, but I want to see PSU/Auburn beat UNC in football, yuuuge fan of their FB team".

not as much in this thread, but there have been numerous threads over the years in which unc football first/only fans have blamed unc basketball (the program and the fans) for the woes of unc football. if you haven't read any of that krap i envy you. re: your mixed loyalty, i recommend that you pick one favorite team and root for them in all sports. i went to bama for grad school and do root for them and certainly enjoy their dynasty. but i'm definitely carolina first in all sports including football. i think most people are more loyal to their undergrad alma mater. and on those rare occasions when my alma maters face each other i have no hesitation whom to root for... GO HEELS!!!

 

[blazers]

I too have seen many threads about bball-first mentalities which thwart fball progress and that fball has been de-emphasized by admin.

My own brother isn't a big college football fan, so of course doesn't follow our program much, but he isn't hindering our progress.

And I have yet to see proof that anybody has de-emphasized fball. Look at the paycheck to Butch and the bluezone. Compare Kenan's upgrades to those of dook's craphole over the yrs if you want symptoms of a program lacking some emphasis.

The only way I can see someone criticizing admin of de-emphasizing fball is if they accussed Dick Baddour of intentionally going after "good enough" hires post Mack rather than stellar hires.

 

[Raising Heel]

unc football first/only fans have blamed unc basketball (the program and the fans) for the woes of unc football.

In a highly scientific study -- a poll on Blue Heaven -- we determined that there aren't really any UNC football-only fans. There were maybe 50 respondents. Everybody there cheers for UNC in basketball (and other sports) as well, with the lone exception being a guy who doesn't follow college basketball at all. I do think there are plenty of UNC football-first fans, though. Just throwing that out there.

 

[JimmyinVA]

In a highly scientific study -- a poll on Blue Heaven -- we determined that there aren't really any UNC football-only fans.... I do think there are plenty of UNC football-first fans, though. Just throwing that out there.

fair enough. although it seems to me that blaming unc basketball for the plight of football would make it hard to root for our hoops program. woadblue, what do you say about that?