The Sterling Brown situation and how it derails everything we talk about in the Santa Fe thread

[dadika13]

Ugh....I mean...I get it, but he was only that character for like 3 min in the movie and it wasn't even really his character. I'm calling shenanigans on that pick.

P.S. Elizabeth Hurley in that movie OHMYGODHOLYSHIT.

 

[heelz2345]

Ugh....I mean...I get it, but he was only that character for like 3 min in the movie and it wasn't even really his character. I'm calling shenanigans on that pick.

P.S. Elizabeth Hurley in that movie OHMYGODHOLYSHIT.

Yeah one of the rules also was basically if a character is good because of crazy/magical shenanigans, you could pick the peak version of that character, even if they don’t keep their abilities. Similar selections included the kid from Like Mike and Teen Wolf

 

[Raising Heel]

Man, you guys sound like Ed Norton in American History X defending the cops against Rodney King.

I *am* Ed Norton.

 

[Raising Heel]

P.S. Elizabeth Hurley in that movie OHMYGODHOLYSHIT.

 

[dadika13]

I *am* Ed Norton.

Is this sub open to debate on the best Ed Norton movie or does everyone just think it's Fight Club? I think AHX is damn close and I could even talk about Primal Fear and Rounders in the mix.

 

[Raising Heel]

Is this sub open to debate on the best Ed Norton movie or does everyone just think it's Fight Club? I think AHX is damn close and I could even talk about Primal Fear and Rounders in the mix.

Only @tarheel0910 thinks Fight Club is Ed Norton's best movie.

 

[tarheel0910]

Only @tarheel0910 thinks Fight Club is Ed Norton's best movie.

 

[Raising Heel]

It seems we have some disagreement here.

 

[tarheel0910]

Is this sub open to debate on the best Ed Norton movie or does everyone just think it's Fight Club? I think AHX is damn close and I could even talk about Primal Fear and Rounders in the mix.

You can debate anything you want here. Also, Fight Club is trash.

 

[dadika13]

You can debate anything you want here. Also, Fight Club is trash.

Wow. Hot take there. I think it's gotten overplayed to death on TV but when I first saw it I loved it. So what's your #1 Norton movie?

 

[tarheel0910]

Wow. Hot take there. I think it's gotten overplayed to death on TV but when I first saw it I loved it. So what's your #1 Norton movie?

Not sure what number one would be. Thought he was great in AHX. Larry Flint and Birdman were also solid. If we are including all of his performances then his best is obviously as Devon Bradley on the Simpsons.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Any other movie Ed Norton was in is better than Fight Club. That movie is meh.

I *am* Ed Norton.

It's funny because it's true.

 

[gunslingerdick]

First is an obscure sort of pick actually; it was Brendan Fraser’s character from Bedazzled. I’ll quote the write-up the book had

“No. 1 Pick: Elliot Richards, Bedazzled. Height: 7’6” Weight: Approximately 290 pounds. Position: Center. Most Memorable On-Court Moment: Dunking it from well beyond the three-point line.

The undeniable, impossible-to-pass-up, absolutely-has-to-get-chosen, guaranteed-Hall-of-Famer-and-potentially-greatest-of-all-time first pick. His stat line from the game they show him playing in Bedazzled is so absurd that it feels like too much even for a fake player: 104 points, 45 rebounds, 32 assists, 37 steals, and 28 blocks. He dunked it from the three-point line. He shot 40-footers like they were 5-footers and he shot 30-footers without even looking at the rim. He sweat a lot, and he was exceptionally dumb, and he had a teeny tiny penis, but no matter. Championships abound.”

There was a footnote relating to a part toward the end that I felt obliged to share.

“The plot of Bedazzled is a guy makes a deal with the devil (played by Elizabeth Hurley) where he trades his soul for seven wishes, one of which he uses to become an NBA megastar version of himself. Every wish she grants him ends up having some terrible thing attached to it, though, and so when she turned him into an NBA All-Star, she also gave him a super small penis. He immediately traded away his stardom and fortune to get back into his normal body and his normal penis. Men are dumb.”

Some overlooked players that could see a rise in their fictional draft stock:

 

[heelz2345]

Some overlooked players that could see a rise in their fictional draft stock:

I don't have the book handy like I did this morning, but I know that Teen Wolf and Leo got drafted. None of the Semi-Pro cast was a first round pick though

 

[Raising Heel]

I don't have the book handy like I did this morning, but I know that Teen Wolf and Leo got drafted. None of the Semi-Pro cast was a first round pick though

Please tell me this guy made the list.

 

[heelz2345]

Please tell me this guy made the list.

Well, I have good news and I have bad news. The bad news is, he wasn't on it. The good news is...oh wait, just double checked, there was no good news, it was all bad news. My bad.

 

[Raising Heel]

Well, I have good news and I have bad news. The bad news is, he wasn't on it. The good news is...oh wait, just double checked, there was no good news, it was all bad news. My bad.

GFY

 

[heelz2345]

GFY

Hey I didn’t write the book and leave him off the list. Maybe he was a second round pick.

ETA: Go Fletch Myself?

 

[Raising Heel]

Hey I didn’t write the book and leave him off the list. Maybe he was a second round pick.

You taunted me.

 

[heelz2345]

You taunted me.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Is this sub open to debate on the best Ed Norton movie or does everyone just think it's Fight Club? I think AHX is damn close and I could even talk about Primal Fear and Rounders in the mix.

I'd probably say The Illusionist is my favorite of his. I mean, Jessica Biel is in it so that automatically makes it a 10. Throw in Paul Giamatti and you know it's going to be good. I really liked it.

Also, 25th Hour is underrated.

Fight Club doesn't suck but it is overrated.

 

[Raising Heel]

This weekend, an underage woman drinking on a New Jersey beach turned into another incident of police brutality. Let's go to the tape.

It seems like every time an incident like this makes the news, the trouble begins with someone who is in violation of the law (speeding, broken tail light, etc.)

According to [Emily] Weinman's account of the violent arrest, which she posted on Facebook before deleting it, she had unopened containers of alcohol on the beach when officers approached her.

My point is that these situations typically escalate because people start acting defiant or even belligerent towards law enforcement.

Weinman said she passed a breathalyzer test and as she was walking away, the cops followed her, prompting her to ask if they have "something better to do...." She said she was subsequently tackled by an officer after she refused to give her name.

This is a cousin to the entitlement mentality that lets people believe that rules are for other people, not them.

"It is amazing the amount of people that just believe they can drink. It is amazing the amount of kids who come down here and just feel like the law doesn't pertain to them." - Wildwood Mayor Mayor Ernie Troiano, Jr.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/wildwood_nj_police_punch_girl_on_beach.html

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

This weekend, an underage woman drinking on a New Jersey beach turned into another incident of police brutality. Let's go to the tape.

According to [Emily] Weinman's account of the violent arrest, which she posted on Facebook before deleting it, she had unopened containers of alcohol on the beach when officers approached her.

Weinman said she passed a breathalyzer test and as she was walking away, the cops followed her, prompting her to ask if they have "something better to do...." She said she was subsequently tackled by an officer after she refused to give her name.

"It is amazing the amount of people that just believe they can drink. It is amazing the amount of kids who come down here and just feel like the law doesn't pertain to them." - Wildwood Mayor Mayor Ernie Troiano, Jr.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/wildwood_nj_police_punch_girl_on_beach.html

I feel like I must be missing something here. The girl had unopened drinks, and passed a breathalyzer. So she can't be hit up with underage drinking, drinking in public, or anything like that. She was in possession underage, so can be charged for that I assume.

As she's walking away, she wounds the cops ego by asking if they had anything better to do. Which I think is a perfectly reasonable question, and one that we got the answer to [no] by the fact that this whole thing happened in the first place. The funny thing is that they were apparently the ones that initiated physical contact, kicked the crap out of her, then slapped her with a bunch of charges for defending herself.

The body cam videos the cops were wearing will tell the story. If they come out and show the girl was in the wrong, then I'd say she deserved what she got. If they don't get released to the public, we can assume they showed the cops were in the wrong.

 

[gunslingerdick]

This weekend, an underage woman drinking on a New Jersey beach turned into another incident of police brutality. Let's go to the tape.

According to [Emily] Weinman's account of the violent arrest, which she posted on Facebook before deleting it, she had unopened containers of alcohol on the beach when officers approached her.

Weinman said she passed a breathalyzer test and as she was walking away, the cops followed her, prompting her to ask if they have "something better to do...." She said she was subsequently tackled by an officer after she refused to give her name.

"It is amazing the amount of people that just believe they can drink. It is amazing the amount of kids who come down here and just feel like the law doesn't pertain to them." - Wildwood Mayor Mayor Ernie Troiano, Jr.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/wildwood_nj_police_punch_girl_on_beach.html

I saw the video yesterday. It's certainly a bad look for those police officers. With that said, we never get video of when the interaction begins. The only videos we ever see in these instances is after the situation has escalated. Who knows? Maybe the girl threatened the officers before the video was rolling. To your earlier point, because it's become "trendy" to act big and bad around police officers, the fact that she made some snarky remark ("y'all don't have anything better to do?") is not surprising. And I suspect that wasn't the only comment she made or if so, it was made in the nastiest possible way. That doesn't excuse police beating a woman's face in. But it at least puts the video in some context.

The worst part of that video is hearing the baby cry while the ruckus is happening. That always gets me - knowing a child is sitting there watching their mom or dad get beat up by police. Regardless of whether the person deserved it or not, I can't imagine that kid is going to grow up with good feelings about law enforcement.

Here are some tips:

• don't break the law
• don't be with people breaking the law
• if you choose to break the law, then expect an interaction with police
• if you choose to break the law, be smart enough to kiss ass to police once you have been caught breaking the law
• be respectful at all times even if you do not receive the same in return
• don't attempt to "show up" the police
• do not resist
• appear remorseful

 

[gunslingerdick]

As she's walking away, she wounds the cops ego by asking if they had anything better to do. Which I think is a perfectly reasonable question, and one that we got the answer to [no] by the fact that this whole thing happened in the first place. The funny thing is that they were apparently the ones that initiated physical contact, kicked the crap out of her, then slapped her with a bunch of charges for defending herself.
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First of all, asking a cop if they have something better to do is never "perfectly reasonable". It's a smartass quip that has potential to end with you getting your face beat in. So I recommend against it.

Secondly, people have to decide what they want out of a police interaction. I know in the first milisecond what I want from any police interaction - to walk away from that interaction without charges or bodily harm. That's what I want. I'm not looking to make any kind of statement. I'm not looking to prove my innocence. I'm not looking to show cops how smart I am and that "I know my rights". I'm looking to get away from the interaction as quickly as possible and without the situation escalating. But the problem is, many people aren't of the same thought. And they're the ones - justly or unjustly - who are going to have a problem.

 

[Raising Heel]

I feel like I must be missing something here. The girl had unopened drinks, and passed a breathalyzer. So she can't be hit up with underage drinking, drinking in public, or anything like that. She was in possession underage, so can be charged for that I assume.

Had to read a couple other stories to get the full context. Not only was she underage in possession, there is no drinking allowed on the beach without an event permit (e.g. for a wedding).

The body cam videos the cops were wearing will tell the story. If they come out and show the girl was in the wrong, then I'd say she deserved what she got. If they don't get released to the public, we can assume they showed the cops were in the wrong.

I suspect that wasn't the only comment she made or if so, it was made in the nastiest possible way. That doesn't excuse police beating a woman's face in. But it at least puts the video in some context.

Yup, the video doesn't tell how this situation escalated, but apparently she was screaming vulgarities at the police and spit on them at some point. My guess is the cops broke up her party, so she got pissed about it and started mouthing off to them.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

• if you choose to break the law, be smart enough to kiss ass to police once you have been caught breaking the law

Agreed. With egos the way they are, someone who was breaking the law, but fluffs the cops a little bit, will end up better off than someone who wasn't breaking the law, but took exception to the cops getting involved. As backwards as that is.

First of all, asking a cop if they have something better to do is never "perfectly reasonable". It's a smartass quip that has potential to end with you getting your face beat in.

The fact that asking that question has the potential to end up with you getting your face beat in (by law enforcement!) is the problem here.

Secondly, people have to decide what they want out of a police interaction. I know in the first milisecond what I want from any police interaction - to walk away from that interaction without charges or bodily harm. That's what I want. I'm not looking to make any kind of statement. I'm not looking to prove my innocence. I'm not looking to show cops how smart I am and that "I know my rights". I'm looking to get away from the interaction as quickly as possible and without the situation escalating. But the problem is, many people aren't of the same thought. And they're the ones - justly or unjustly - who are going to have a problem.

I agree with this, and this is my goal as well.

 

[dadika13]

I saw the video yesterday. It's certainly a bad look for those police officers.

That's one hell of a euphemism for a 20 year old girl getting the shit kicked out of her by a grown man.

 

[gunslingerdick]

That's one hell of a euphemism for a 20 year old girl getting the shit kicked out of her by a grown man.

Well, you probably haven’t learned yet that she reportedly kicked one of the officers in the groin and spit on him. I’m not sure I’d be able to control myself either.

 

[dadika13]

Well, you probably haven’t learned yet that she reportedly kicked one of the officers in the groin and spit on him. I’m not sure I’d be able to control myself either.

I hadn't heard that - wasn't in the 2 reports that I read on it.

Do you have a link to this?

 

[gunslingerdick]

I hadn't heard that - wasn't in the 2 reports that I read on it.

Do you have a link to this?

I couldn’t find what I read earlier today that mentioned it but in the linked article I’ve provided, the mayor says that body cam footage will show that the woman was insulting them and spit at them.

Also, things are becoming more clear to me. I just read (in the linked article) that this isn’t her first run in with police. She has an assault charge previously demonstrating she’s no stranger to “getting rough”.

When I first saw the video yesterday, I immediately felt sorry for the 20 year old Mom. But now I’m starting to see her as a trouble-maker.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.phil...nching-woman-on-beach-20180527.html?amphtml=y

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

the mayor says that body cam footage will show that the woman was insulting them and spit at them.

Ya, we'll see if they release the footage or not. Seems like they only release it when it benefits the cops.

If she spit on them before they got physical with her, she deserved to be arrested. If she hit/kicked them before they got physical with her, then they should have kicked the crap out of her even worse than they did. If they got physical first, then the officers should have the shit kicked out of them, and then fired.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Ya, we'll see if they release the footage or not. Seems like they only release it when it benefits the cops.

If she spit on them before they got physical with her, she deserved to be arrested. If she hit/kicked them before they got physical with her, then they should have kicked the crap out of her even worse than they did. If they got physical first, then the officers should have the shit kicked out of them, and then fired.

I agree with all of that.

 

[tarheel0910]

The fact that asking that question has the potential to end up with you getting your face beat in (by law enforcement!) is the problem here.

She wasn't really asking them a question. She was just making a smartass remark. I think you're being intentionally obtuse with this.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

She wasn't really asking them a question. She was just making a smartass remark. I think you're being intentionally obtuse with this.

I realize the question was rhetorical, because it was obvious they didn't have anything better to do with their time. I don't think cops should be able to assault someone over a smartass remark though.

 

[tarheel0910]

I realize the question was rhetorical, because it was obvious they didn't have anything better to do with their time. I don't think cops should be able to assault someone over a smartass remark though.

True, but it appears that's not why they assaulted her.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

True, but it appears that's not why they assaulted her.

The body cam footage should answer that.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I realize the question was rhetorical, because it was obvious they didn't have anything better to do with their time. I don't think cops should be able to assault someone over a smartass remark though.

A law enforcement officer’s time is to be used stopping criminal behavior. That’s exactly what they were doing. You can make the argument that possessing alcohol at the beach, underage shouldn’t be against the law. But right now, it is. And those police officers were doing their job - exactly what they are paid to do.

Secondly, smartass comments should not be grounds for a beating from police. But apparently, it is at times. So here’s the deal, the chances of a beat down at the hands of police decrease significantly when no smartass comments are made. Play the percentages.

 

[Raising Heel]

With each new story, it feels like there's a growing undercurrent of people who assume that cops are going to abuse their authority and they are therefore obligated to defy the police.

“Like I said I didn’t do anything wrong* and anything could’ve been written on that paper [citation], the whole situation was iffy and I didn’t trust it,” she wrote. “Especially being aware of the fact of how grimy law enforcement can be now a days.”

* Worth pointing out -- again -- that she had absolutely done something wrong by bringing alcohol to the beach, while underage to boot.

If she spit on them before they got physical with her, she deserved to be arrested. If she hit/kicked them before they got physical with her, then they should have kicked the crap out of her even worse than they did. If they got physical first, then the officers should have the shit kicked out of them, and then fired.

Reportedly she kicked one of the officers in the groin and ran, and also spit on the officers at some point.

I dunno. A single 20-year-old mom at the beach with her 18-month-old daughter, drinking underage, in an area where alcohol is prohibited, with priors for assault and criminal mischief, decides to assault a police officer. Maybe it's time to talk about her choices.

All that said, there was no excuse for the cop to punch her twice in the neck/head. She had been subdued by that point. Again, I don't understand why cops don't just use tasers in these situations. It seems like if a suspect refuses to cooperate and/or becomes violent, there wouldn't be any legal consequences for tazing them to bring them under control.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

A law enforcement officer’s time is to be used stopping criminal behavior. That’s exactly what they were doing. You can make the argument that possessing alcohol at the beach, underage shouldn’t be against the law. But right now, it is. And those police officers were doing their job - exactly what they are paid to do.

I wasn't saying they weren't doing their job. I was saying it was a fair question to ask whether they had anything better to do. Because if there was a domestic assault, robbery, rape, murder, etc. going on across town, that would be something I would consider "better to do" than cracking on a 20 year old for having some unopened adult beverages. But I guess everyone's priority list is different.