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Thoughts on Nice massacre?

I don't see how he thinks that. I thought he was sending in drones to bomb. I guess he has less troops because, well, we have been over there a really long time and nothing has really changed other than taking out a few whack jobs (sadaam and Bin Laden)... All we have managed to do is allow other radical groups to pop up and terrorize.
I think if you asked Obama he would tell you his approach is light-years different from previous POTUS.
 
Getting involved with Israel, and overthrowing one regime and propping-up another, and bombing them, and then sending troops and occupying them, and rinse and repeat has made it a huge mess. If it weren't for the profit from the oil, and the influence of Saudi money and the profits from the entire process, it would never have been looked at twice.

Those people are just like us. If you leave them alone, they will fight with each other, JUST LIKE WE DO! If you give them a common enemy, they'll focus on that, JUST LIKE WE WOULD. Saying that "if we left, it would be worse for us", or any variation of that, is pure speculation. It might be, it might not be. One thing is for sure, it hasn't been tried and things only get worse the more we continue to f*ck with them. Drone-bombing can kill innocent people just as well as a mortar by a US soldier. For every innocent life taken by American hands, or any Western ally's bomber jet, you're guaranteeing a future potential terrorist by their survivors. The same thing would happen here, if the roles were reversed. Revenge can set-in no matter what color, nationality, gender or religion you happen to be.
Rampant stupidity. We had not done anything to them in 1804. Nothing. Yet they constantly sunk our ships and enslaved our sailors. So they WERE left alone, yet they continued with the killing. There are countries that have been attacked by the Muslims for no reason other than bloodlust and conquest for the last 1300 years. Get your head out of your azz and read some history.
 
I thought you said move forward?

I did. I guess you're correct that I used the wrong verb tense. I should have said "and don't get involved further" instead of "didn't get involved at all".

I think it's pretty obvious that you reduce the revenge factor substantially. I don't remember the Vietcong following us home after we left Vietnam.

Agreed that you reduce the revenge factor substantially. However where it seems we disagree is how big of a factor that revenge factor is. You seem to think the majority of their attacks are revenge based, I think the majority are because that's just the type of people these terrorists are, and what their cult religion tells them to do.
 
Rampant stupidity. We had not done anything to them in 1804. Nothing. Yet they constantly sunk our ships and enslaved our sailors. So they WERE left alone, yet they continued with the killing. There are countries that have been attacked by the Muslims for no reason other than bloodlust and conquest for the last 1300 years. Get your head out of your azz and read some history.
So, we need to kill the Muslims as soon as possible. 10-4
 
I did. I guess you're correct that I used the wrong verb tense. I should have said "and don't get involved further" instead of "didn't get involved at all".



Agreed that you reduce the revenge factor substantially. However where it seems we disagree is how big of a factor that revenge factor is. You seem to think the majority of their attacks are revenge based, I think the majority are because that's just the type of people these terrorists are, and what their cult religion tells them to do.
Well, fortunately we'll never know because our reliable leaders have no intention of ever leaving them alone.
 
Americans are outmatched against radical Muslims. They're prepared to kill you along WITH THEMSELVES. So, until you get that kind of resolve, you'd better find another way. Fighting them creates more of them, and each more determined than the ones before.
 
Rampant stupidity. We had not done anything to them in 1804. Nothing. Yet they constantly sunk our ships and enslaved our sailors. So they WERE left alone, yet they continued with the killing. There are countries that have been attacked by the Muslims for no reason other than bloodlust and conquest for the last 1300 years. Get your head out of your azz and read some history.
You keep us informed about 1804, and I'll try to remain in the last century. Gracias!
 
You keep us informed about 1804, and I'll try to remain in the last century. Gracias!

Lol. So it's not ok to reference 1804 (presumably because none of the involved parties were around in 1804) - but it's ok to reference the theft of Palestine to create Israel in the 1940's as a valid reason for them to be upset. How many people that are able bodied enough to be terrorists were around in the 1940's? I must have missed all those 75+ year old terrorists in the news.
 
Lol. So it's not ok to reference 1804 (presumably because none of the involved parties were around in 1804) - but it's ok to reference the theft of Palestine to create Israel in the 1940's as a valid reason for them to be upset. How many people that are able bodied enough to be terrorists were around in the 1940's? I must have missed all those 75+ year old terrorists in the news.

The Palestinian argument is one of the weakest ones out there.

Prior to creation of Israel, the rest of the Arab world thought the Palestinians were the dregs of the region. They wouldn't have pissed on a Palestinian if one was on fire.

But once Israel came to town, all of the sudden the displacement of the Palestinians was the worst thing ever, according to the rest of the Arabs. What a crock of shit.

Arab leaders are particularly adept at using religion (and terrorism) to get the masses, which overwhelmingly live in poverty, to focus on other countries instead of their own. In other words, the Sheiks keep them pointed at us as the means to stay in power and live high on the hog.
 
Lol. So it's not ok to reference 1804 (presumably because none of the involved parties were around in 1804) - but it's ok to reference the theft of Palestine to create Israel in the 1940's as a valid reason for them to be upset. How many people that are able bodied enough to be terrorists were around in the 1940's? I must have missed all those 75+ year old terrorists in the news.
I just have my doubts that the present-day unrest is over what took place with the Barbary Pirates in the early 19th century. The Iranian Embassy event in 1979 was due to our installation of the Shah in 1953. Does anyone want to go to war with England over the 1812 invasion? Should we secede again and have a Civil War encore?

At this point, it's unclear exactly what motivates every one of them. The last 13 years has been filled with war and bombings of all kinds. Wahhabi Islam is an extreme version and I understand that it is prevalent in Saudi Arabia. If you kill innocent people over there, you're probably creating a future terrorist. So, roll the dice.
 
The way things are going absolutely! Throw some Americans in there while we are at it.
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I just have my doubts that the present-day unrest is over what took place with the Barbary Pirates in the early 19th century. The Iranian Embassy event in 1979 was due to our installation of the Shah in 1953. Does anyone want to go to war with England over the 1812 invasion? Should we secede again and have a Civil War encore?

At this point, it's unclear exactly what motivates every one of them. The last 13 years has been filled with war and bombings of all kinds. Wahhabi Islam is an extreme version and I understand that it is prevalent in Saudi Arabia. If you kill innocent people over there, you're probably creating a future terrorist. So, roll the dice.
More tediousness. Jeez. The point is to rebut your baseless assertion that if they were left alone they wouldnt do these things.
The point is that their actions aren't revenge or payback for ANYTHING. It's just what they do. Their goal is a world wide Islamic caliphate, and they're not shy about telling us that. You should really try to keep up. It requires willful ignorance on your part to not get this.
 
You can't win a war on mindset. There will be more of these types of attacks. You can rationalize the things by applying our morals to a group that is so polar opposite.
 
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More tediousness. Jeez. The point is to rebut your baseless assertion that if they were left alone they wouldnt do these things.
The point is that their actions aren't revenge or payback for ANYTHING. It's just what they do. Their goal is a world wide Islamic caliphate, and they're not shy about telling us that. You should really try to keep up. It requires willful ignorance on your part to not get this.
You're absolutely right.
 
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More tediousness. Jeez. The point is to rebut your baseless assertion that if they were left alone they wouldnt do these things.
The point is that their actions aren't revenge or payback for ANYTHING. It's just what they do. Their goal is a world wide Islamic caliphate, and they're not shy about telling us that. You should really try to keep up. It requires willful ignorance on your part to not get this.

The things is, we will never know if that is true or not because we tend to be aggressive and controlling most of the time too. We have never really been able to mind our business right here very well and we certainly have never just sat our butts down HERE and left others alone, so we have no idea if it would work or not! They may very well want to rule the world (I doubt the regular ol' Muslims do but the terror cells might) but the U.S. has this belief that we MUST be the most powerful country in the world... WHY??? Why can't we just be a great country IN the world? Why do we have to flex our muscle all the time??? Why aren't people wanting to go and fight in the Scandinavian countries? They seem to be quite happy people there for the most part and no one bothers them that I am aware of.
 
I thought you said move forward?

I think it's pretty obvious that you reduce the revenge factor substantially. I don't remember the Vietcong following us home after we left Vietnam.
Damn....talk about comparing apples to oranges. I did give you credit for having some degree of intelligence , but that remark has me reconsidering. It is about Islam.
 
Americans are outmatched against radical Muslims. They're prepared to kill you along WITH THEMSELVES. So, until you get that kind of resolve, you'd better find another way. Fighting them creates more of them, and each more determined than the ones before.
LMFAO. technology and military might will "trump" 10th century goat herders every day. It is just pretty tough when you tie the military's hands behind their backs.
 
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For those wondering "why France?" Do you not know of France's long history with muslims? They haven't always kissed muslim azz. Look up the "Algerian war 1954-1962".
 
The things is, we will never know if that is true or not because we tend to be aggressive and controlling most of the time too. We have never really been able to mind our business right here very well and we certainly have never just sat our butts down HERE and left others alone, so we have no idea if it would work or not! They may very well want to rule the world (I doubt the regular ol' Muslims do but the terror cells might) but the U.S. has this belief that we MUST be the most powerful country in the world... WHY??? Why can't we just be a great country IN the world? Why do we have to flex our muscle all the time??? Why aren't people wanting to go and fight in the Scandinavian countries? They seem to be quite happy people there for the most part and no one bothers them that I am aware of.
Sooooooo would you have us go back to pre 1914 and become isolationists again? Would you rather we sat idly by in 1941 until the whole world was controlled by Hitler? Would you rather we did the same while Russia took over the world? Just a rude question.
 
Sooooooo would you have us go back to pre 1914 and become isolationists again? Would you rather we sat idly by in 1941 until the whole world was controlled by Hitler? Would you rather we did the same while Russia took over the world? Just a rude question.

Obviously the way we have been doing things since then has been working for you all. I just have a hard time seeing it. It's not like I believe anything would actually change anyway. There is no going back so it's just wishful thinking on my part. :)
 
I think thatโ€™s being naรฏve. In my opinion what we are doing has nothing to do with why they are coming after us or anyone else. Theyโ€™ve killed more of their own people than they have Americans and they were doing it long before the US existed. Drone strikes by us doesnโ€™t make them walk into a store in the Middle East thatโ€™s full of Muslims and blow them up. As I said in another thread there are two types of people who do this. Evil people and people who are mentally ill. It doesnโ€™t matter if you ignore, hug or shoot an evil person. They are always going to be evil. You can, in theory, help a person who is mentally ill, but how do you do that with a group of terrorists? Youโ€™re not going to be able to go over there and tell them to take a pill every day and come back once a week for therapy.

There is also another aspect of this that hasnโ€™t been mentioned yet. If we were to just completely stay out of it, there would be issues for us beyond people dying. If you have continuous, unchecked attacks throughout the western world, it will damage the world wide economy greatly. That means lost jobs, lower wages, higher prices, etc.

There is no perfect solution to this and Iโ€™m not even sure what the best solution is. What I do know is that no matter what we do, or donโ€™t do, this type of thing will always be around.
Bingo.
 
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