Tony Bradley?

[TPFKAPFS]

I stated a long time ago that if we won a Chip I would happily watch the entire team go pro! I have NEVER wavered from this opinion!

But that doesn't mean I don't think several players NEED to stay (for them) or that I don't wish enough return for another special season (for me)! Suggesting that a player would best be served by returning is NOT the same as bashing them for leaving ratty style!

Whether he stays or goes, he is Family and I support him!

 

[MCPO_Tarheel]

By a longgggg shot!

My new background. Thanx!

 

[carolinablue34]

I agree with the sentiment that Tony should come back for another year before testing his NBA potential. I think if he were pretty much guaranteed a first round spot I'd totally understand him staying, and that may happen after the combine. But I think him being the go to guy next year would up his game another level.

The way I see it, it's win-win. He comes back, we have another ACC championship caliber team. If he doesn't, he'll be our first OAD in a decade and that may get rid of some of the false perception that Carolina isn't a good place for that kind of talent.

 

[RoseHeel]

No it wasn't and it didn't.

Lol, stop. I can't count how many times I saw the "[Player] can leave" spiel all over this board. The only ones complaining now are the ones who didn't believe he'd be OAD.

Furthermore, none of you know Tony's situation. If the money is more important to him, than by all means he should go. Despite what a bunch of people on a message board say.

And Rabb was projected WAY higher than Tony is right now.

The point is that if something happens between now and next (year, injury, poor performance, or otherwise), the money disappears.

If he blows the F up in the combine and gets a legit projection like Rabb's? Well ok. But if not that's a whole different ballgame.

From this thread, I could've sworn he's already making a "huge mistake" and it's a "bad career move" because he may not stay. And the combine hasn't even started yet.

College Ball isn't the peak of most players' dreams. People, and especially our fan base, need to stop acting like it is.

 

[imajericho]

There is very few examples at all of a player staying and going higher. Justin Jackson *may* be one of the few. WCS could maybe fall in here also. In this draft, you can look to Rabb and Allen.

Previous drafts, you can look to McAdoo, Barnes, etc.

The longer you stay the more your flaws are exposed basically.

Thus, I cannot fault him if he stays in. He would be nice to have back, but he helped give us a ship and deserves to be supported whether he stays or goes no matter what draft position he is projected to go in.

 

[gary-7]

From this thread, I could've sworn he's already making a "huge mistake" and it's a "bad career move" because he may not stay. And the combine hasn't even started yet.

College Ball isn't the peak of most players' dreams. People, and especially our fan base, need to stop acting like it is.

Good grief. Nobody is doing that --- you need to improve your reading comprehension. Some of us are quite aware of his situation, and again, unless he gets a guaranteed 1st round grade he would be objectively foolish to leave. That's not a hard concept.

The bad career move being referred to is going into it with the mindset of leaving no matter what, and unfortunately that has been the scuttlebutt.

 

[Steat]

Chatboards will never go out of business.

 

[Archer2]

My attitude is if he's wearing baby blue in the fall, fine. If not, fine. Much like the KK drama. I refuse to hang on the word of 18-21 year olds.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

College Ball isn't the peak of most players' dreams.

True. But it may be one of the best times of their lives. Some of these kids shouldn't be in such a hurry to cut it short just for some more money - especially when more money isn't even guaranteed.

 

[Archer2]

Did it hurt Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, Daugherty, Carter, Jamison, etc... To stay multiple years? I think not. IIRC, they all stayed at least 3 years. But those young men valued the college experience and a college education. Today it's all about the money grab. Different mindset entirely.

That's why I don't care if we ever sign a guy like Knox who has OAD written on his bedroom wall.

 

[94tarheel]

Or maybe he wants to make his NBA dream come true and make 6+ figures?

If that is the case, then why not make sure that you maximize those chances. If college is the place where individuals go to enhance themselves for their chosen career path, why should it be different for those pursuing pro sports careers? First, I would think a 7 to 8 figure salary would be the goal. Does staying an extra year really hurt? Tony have a prime example who took the correct route. Justin Jackson came back, worked on his game, showed the NBA what he could do after getting his critique and parlayed that information into a potential lottery selection a year later. So, why settle for a 2nd round to late 1st round draft score. And, save me "let's get the rookie contract out of the way" argument. It is up to the individual to improve themselves to the point where a team may want to keep you beyond that rookie contract.

 

[midline]

It is all about upping your stock if you come back. And Tony can do this easily as he automatically becomes the go to big man in the offense. He goes from a chance of being a low first rounder to a possible lottery pick with a good season, and quite a bit more money.

In a way, I was very surprised Berry came back. Can he hopefully increase his numbers a bit by playing a season with healthy ankles? Yes. But folks know what he can do. He isn't going to grow, and his toughness and overall game are rarely questioned. Just don't see a way his professional stock rises with another year of college ball. But sure glad he is back

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I can't accurately predict the future so I can't say for certain that leaving now would be a bad career move. I can tell peeps what I have seen watching bball for 50 years though. My best guess is that TB will eventually be a very good pro! I think he will see this potential faster if he learns a little more and develops more physically before plunging into the pro game. I think he will get the proper amount of time, patience, and a team that is dedicated to his success if he is a high lottery pick as well. BUT I also believe three things: 1. It is entirely his and his family's decision! (I will support him either way) 2. If he is believes he will be in the first round he should go if it is his preference. 3. If he is not almost certain of a first round pick, he should stay in college.

TB is blessed to even have this decision to make and I have no idea the pressures being put on him and his family.

Good luck TB either way!

 

[Spacegrass]

There is very few examples at all of a player staying and going higher. Justin Jackson *may* be one of the few. WCS could maybe fall in here also. In this draft, you can look to Rabb and Allen.

Previous drafts, you can look to McAdoo, Barnes, etc.

The longer you stay the more your flaws are exposed basically.

Thus, I cannot fault him if he stays in. He would be nice to have back, but he helped give us a ship and deserves to be supported whether he stays or goes no matter what draft position he is projected to go in.

Difference in say McAdoo and Barnes vs Bradley is.... Barnes was a top 3-5 pick that fell to the 7th pick by staying an extra year. McAdoo was a late lottery to top 10 pick after his frosh season and fell to the 2nd round. Bradley wasn't expected to be OAD 1st round material and even after a pretty good year in a reserve role he is a fringe 1st rounder. Barnes and McAdoo had very little to gain in draft position coming back and a lot more to lose. Bradley imo has more to gain by coming back than taking his chances now. 29th pick this year or the 12th pick next year? Or the 35th pick this year vs being the 14th pick next year? Bradley has a lot to gain draft position wise by coming back.

 

[imajericho]

Difference in say McAdoo and Barnes vs Bradley is.... Barnes was a top 3-5 pick that fell to the 7th pick by staying an extra year. McAdoo was a late lottery to top 10 pick after his frosh season and fell to the 2nd round. Bradley wasn't expected to be OAD 1st round material and even after a pretty good year in a reserve role he is a fringe 1st rounder. Barnes and McAdoo had very little to gain in draft position coming back and a lot more to lose. Bradley imo has more to gain by coming back than taking his chances now. 29th pick this year or the 12th pick next year? Or the 35th pick this year vs being the 14th pick next year? Bradley has a lot to gain draft position wise by coming back.

Or he plays a major role and gets exposed. Goes from 28th pick to 50th pick. We all expect him to improve but most times they fall.

 

[gary-7]

Or he plays a major role and gets exposed. Goes from 28th pick to 50th pick. We all expect him to improve but most times they fall.

Exposed exactly how? He got exposed this year as to what he needs to improve upon. Right now he is a second rounder. Unless he comes back and starts foaming at the mouth and barking at the moon there is no way he falls.

 

[imajericho]

Exposed exactly how? He got exposed this year as to what he needs to improve upon. Right now he is a second rounder. Unless he comes back and starts foaming at the mouth and barking at the moon there is no way he falls.

Same way every other player does? Grayson Allen went from 1st round to undrafted. Sure they felt the same going into the year.

 

[alabamaheel]

Same way every other player does? Grayson Allen went from 1st round to undrafted. Sure they felt the same going into the year.

come on Jer you can come up with a better example than a kid who literally tripped up his jr year.

 

[gary-7]

Same way every other player does? Grayson Allen went from 1st round to undrafted. Sure they felt the same going into the year.

Night and day different. Allen violated the rule of grab it while you're at your peak. In other words he had absolutely peaked in draftability, and his numbers were better than his ability truth be known. If he come back only to improve his status, that was an enormously stupid idea because that was just not gonna happen (hell, honestly I have no idea why he came back, maybe he likes it at dook).

JMac was a lock lotto, and if it was a business decision he should have gone. That staus was unlikely to improve anyway, and a somewhat disappointing Soph season hurt it. JMac came back because he wanted to.

HB also came back because he wanted to, and with his talent it wasn't gonna do significant damage either way.

Tony is different than ALL of the above because he is NOT at his peak viability by any means. Noboday has him anywhere near lotto and unless something changes 1st round is far from a guarantee. Thus he's not gonna fall. He should return as a wise business decision.

 

[imajericho]

come on Jer you can come up with a better example than a kid who literally tripped up his jr year.

NBA scouts said his play and not his tripping is why he slid.

 

[alabamaheel]

NBA scouts said his play and not his tripping is why he slid.

I understand. Just a jab.

 

[dadika13]

No, but this one is about as close as you can get.

Comparing Justin's family financial situation and Tony's is not remotely close. So not sure how anything with them can be "as close as you get"

 

[gary-7]

Comparing Justin's family financial situation and Tony's is not remotely close. So not sure how anything with them can be "as close as you get"

Nothing to do with financial situations. Draft situations.

 

[Archer2]

The Tripper's stock was as high as it was going to get. He's a good student and obviously likes college so he made the decision to return. Then his mental immaturity and the ensuing bad press caused his play to deteriorate. That's why his stock dropped.

Tony's situation is entirely different. He's not preseason ACC POY like the Tripper was. Apples to oranges.

Will he return? Who knows. Should he? IMO, yes. But it's his future and his decision. I'll root for him regardless.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Or he plays a major role and gets exposed. Goes from 28th pick to 50th pick. We all expect him to improve but most times they fall.

Huh? Long list of guys who improved year after year. Of course you can cherry pick a few that didn't but all in all Roy and Company are known for developing players.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Comparing Justin's family financial situation and Tony's is not remotely close. So not sure how anything with them can be "as close as you get"

You know them THAT well?

 

[superstar57]

TB showed all his flaws last season (defensive lapses, pushed around, no go to offensive move).

Did everyone see the potential? Yes they did, as did I.

When Bullock left to get paid I was all for it because although I do not know him, I know his home town. Plus Bullock had prolly progressed as far as he could go collegiately.

TB leaves to make some money I am all for it, but NBA gives 1st rounders way longer to develop than a 2nd rounder. I feel he could be a lock 1st rounder if he stays just one more year.

 

[HeelzLover]

B

TB showed all his flaws last season (defensive lapses, pushed around, no go to offensive move).

Did everyone see the potential? Yes they did, as did I.

When Bullock left to get paid I was all for it because although I do not know him, I know his home town. Plus Bullock had prolly progressed as far as he could go collegiately.

TB leaves to make some money I am all for it, but NBA gives 1st rounders way longer to develop than a 2nd rounder. I feel he could be a lock 1st rounder if he stays just one more year.

I'm 30 mins from his home town and it is a high crime town. He didn't live in the hood or in a shed. It's a nice little neighborhood whr he lived. His parents had good jobs so money wasnt an issue

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

B

I'm 30 mins from his home town and it is a high crime town. He didn't live in the hood or in a shed. It's a nice little neighborhood whr he lived. His parents had good jobs so money wasnt an issue

Are you talking about Reggie or Tony?

 

[HeelzLover]

Are you talking about Reggie or Tony?

Reggie

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Reggie

Thanks. That's what I thought, but wasn't sure.

 

[superstar57]

B

I'm 30 mins from his home town and it is a high crime town. He didn't live in the hood or in a shed. It's a nice little neighborhood whr he lived. His parents had good jobs so money wasnt an issue

Bullock clearly told everyone what was up. Ktown is a lot of people's home so I refuse to go into what is obvious to anyone that has passed through. I used Bullock as an example because he allowed others to know what was up even having a kid.

Ktown use to be the it place for work in the ENC, the big recession killed that city ( Big plants closed and a good hard worker no longer had a place to go).

30 minutes or less is Greenville which is great for anyone in medical field. 30 minutes or less is Goldsboro which has a base. Besides the area behind the mall, which has more empty stores than open it is hard to find what most classify as a nice area (PLENTY OF GREAT PEOPLE).

Not much you can tell me about Ktown economy, I ran a tire shop across from courthouse for years.

A lot of farm money on the out skirts of ktown, but with 70 percent of the population on public assistance ( I understood Bullock decision).

 

[HeelFan58]

We all expect him to improve but most times they fall.

A serious ? Is there data to support that? My feeling is that most guys that come out and do go in the 1st round before they are ready end up with one contract and when that runs out , then bounce around the league on 10 day contracts or out of the league completely..

 

[tarh33ls]

A serious ? Is there data to support that? My feeling is that most guys that come out and do go in the 1st round before they are ready end up with one contract and when that runs out , then bounce around the league on 10 day contracts or out of the league completely..

Yep, nearly all of the one and dones are kids who were projected as one and dones from their senior years in HS. Tony was pretty highly ranked but he was never seen as one of those kids who without the one and done rule could make the jump straight into the NBA. I think that one more year would benefit him greatly. He isn't the athlete or defender that somebody like Ed Davis was and even Ed came back for another year after putting up slightly better stats on a far more stacked NC winning squad. Ed has brought in about 30 million in NBA salary and Tony could follow a similar trajectory or even better.

 

[JimmyinVA]

financially a case could be made either way. a) there's money on the table -- grab it! or b) invest another year on skills development, personal growth, resume building, etc for more profit later including endorsements bestowed on the top collegiate stars. cash in or defer: this is a choice we all face in our personal finances (but on a much smaller scale for me unfortunately)

 

[sto16heels]

Ed Davis left after his freshman year.

 

[RP12]

Ed Davis left after his freshman year.

Nope.

Per Game Table
Season School Conf G MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2008-09 UNC ACC 38 2.6 5.0 .518 2.6 5.0 .518 0.0 0.0 1.4 2.5 .573 6.6 0.6 0.4 1.7 1.1 6.7
2009-10 UNC ACC 23 27.9 4.8 8.3 .578 4.8 8.3 .578 0.0 0.0 3.8 5.7 .659 9.6 1.0 0.4 2.8 2.0 1.8 13.4
Career UNC 61 27.9 3.4 6.3 .548 3.4 6.3 .548 0.0 0.0 2.3 3.7 .623 7.7 0.7 0.4 2.1 1.4 0.7 9.

 

[imajericho]

Huh? Long list of guys who improved year after year. Of course you can cherry pick a few that didn't but all in all Roy and Company are known for developing players.

I will wait for this long list.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

My recommendation:

If you know 100% that even if you are coming back to UNC, that your sophomore year is it no matter what, then take out an insurance policy for say $3MM in case you get hurt. Good backstop if something were to happen.

 

[Sk1310]

Ed Davis left after his freshman year.

Sophmore year