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Trump administration is prohibiting CDC from using a list of seven words or phrases

Censorship of language is a hot button for me. Sorry, not sorry.

I agree. The quoted poast was me pointing out that psychoanalyzing his diet coke consumption, inauguration crowd size, etc. is turning people off to paying attention to actual problems when they arise - because if you'd listen to the media, every single issue is a crisis of epic proportion.
 
I agree. The quoted poast was me pointing out that psychoanalyzing his diet coke consumption, inauguration crowd size, etc. is turning people off to paying attention to actual problems when they arise - because if you'd listen to the media, every single issue is a crisis of epic proportion.
I don't really listen to the media. I have no doubt that everything is cataclysmic to them because they're a TV show and they need ratings and viewership.

But, you said "actual problems." Everyone has varying degrees of what counts as an actual problem. I'm sure the whole thing is producing more apathy overall.
 
True, I guess my issue is with the people who believe the diet coke consumption is a larger problem than terrorism.

I don't watch news on TV. In fact, the only time I watched TV news since November 2016, was last Tuesday night when Moore lost to Jones. I watched CNN and it was pretty blatant at how the people on the panel were heavily slanted against Trump. They even brought Rick Santorum in to be the pro-GOP figure. I watched it to see the coverage of the campaign HQ's and to see Moore pandering to religious people and refuse to concede. But, the CNN "people" were very biased from my perception. And, I like to believe that is because I don't watch it and I'm objective. I listen to talk radio when I'm driving. That is the polar opposite. Trump can do no wrong and the "Left" is out to get him. I'm listening less and less now that I have a bluetooth speaker.
 
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It gets to the point of "the boy who cried wolf".
I used the exact same phrase when discussing the news of his diet Coke consumption last week.

In case you want another example, it turns out that this "banned words" story may be a whole lot of hand-wringing about nothing:

Health and Human Services spokesman Matt Lloyd disputed the report in a statement to CNN. "The assertion that HHS has 'banned words' is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process," Lloyd said. "HHS will continue to use the best scientific evidence available to improve the health of all Americans. HHS also strongly encourages the use of outcome and evidence data in program evaluations and budget decisions." (Source)

At the very least the public deserves some clarification on exactly what was said in the budget discussions, not a shoot-first-ask-questions-later approach to reporting.
 
I used the exact same phrase when discussing the news of his diet Coke consumption last week.

In case you want another example, it turns out that this "banned words" story may be a whole lot of hand-wringing about nothing:

Health and Human Services spokesman Matt Lloyd disputed the report in a statement to CNN. "The assertion that HHS has 'banned words' is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process," Lloyd said. "HHS will continue to use the best scientific evidence available to improve the health of all Americans. HHS also strongly encourages the use of outcome and evidence data in program evaluations and budget decisions." (Source)

At the very least the public deserves some clarification on exactly what was said in the budget discussions, not a shoot-first-ask-questions-later approach to reporting.
Very similar reports as to when Mueller supposedly got Trumps bank records or when it was reported that Flynn had spilled the beans on Trump and the market went down 350 points. Joy Behar and Brian Ross say hello.
It's called fake news and liberals are like sharks in the water jumping at every ripple.
 
I used the exact same phrase when discussing the news of his diet Coke consumption last week.

In case you want another example, it turns out that this "banned words" story may be a whole lot of hand-wringing about nothing:

Health and Human Services spokesman Matt Lloyd disputed the report in a statement to CNN. "The assertion that HHS has 'banned words' is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process," Lloyd said. "HHS will continue to use the best scientific evidence available to improve the health of all Americans. HHS also strongly encourages the use of outcome and evidence data in program evaluations and budget decisions." (Source)

At the very least the public deserves some clarification on exactly what was said in the budget discussions, not a shoot-first-ask-questions-later approach to reporting.
Where is the link to the statement from Lloyd? The (Source) link is just a CNN link that is referring to the original story, from what I could tell. It would be a huge relief to find out that this was embellished.
 
Where is the link to the statement from Lloyd? The (Source) link is just a CNN link that is referring to the original story, from what I could tell. It would be a huge relief to find out that this was embellished.
Read the article. It's plainly stated in it.
 
Where is the link to the statement from Lloyd? The (Source) link is just a CNN link that is referring to the original story, from what I could tell. It would be a huge relief to find out that this was embellished.
Article was probably "later" updated or edited.
 
It's called fake news and liberals are like sharks in the water jumping at every ripple.
The story was sourced from multiple people who were part of the discussions. They obviously interpreted the discussion differently than other participants. WaPo ran with their version of the story -- eagerly, one would assume -- but that doesn't make it "fake news."
 
Read the article. It's plainly stated in it.
I have ad-blockers on. But, I saw this at the bottom.

On Saturday, the agency's director, Brenda Fitzgerald, sent a note to her staff relaying the HHS statement, and declaring that "science is and will remain the foundation of our work."
She added in the memo, obtained by CNN, that the "CDC remains committed to our public health mission as a science- and evidence-based institution" -- using two of the purportedly banned terms to describe its mission.
 
I'm still unsure that the suggestion from the WH of not using the terms didn't occur.
 
The story was sourced from multiple people who were part of the discussions. They obviously interpreted the discussion differently than other participants. WaPo ran with their version of the story -- eagerly, one would assume -- but that doesn't make it "fake news."
It does seem to happen a lot lately.
 
It does seem to happen a lot lately.
Yes, because news agencies with skeleton editorial staffs are in a click race to confirm our confirmation biases. That makes them negligent and inaccurate but not fake, as evidenced by their subsequent edits.

Despite what anyone would have you believe, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, etc. are not fake news organizations. Much as I dislike that term, it's better reserved for outlets like Breitbart who publish stories claiming Sandy Hook was a hoax and the Clintons are running a child sex ring out of a pizzeria basement.
 
Yes, because news agencies with skeleton editorial staffs are in a click race to confirm our confirmation biases. That makes them negligent and inaccurate but not fake, as evidenced by their subsequent edits.

Despite what anyone would have you believe, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, etc. are not fake news organizations. Much as I dislike that term, it's better reserved for outlets like Breitbart who publish stories claiming Sandy Hook was a hoax and the Clintons are running a child sex ring out of a pizzeria basement.
I don't disagree with the accusations you state like Breitbart. The problem is that there should be no bias in journalism. Just report the damn facts! Both sides are so eager to "get" the other side that they print or report untruths. To me that's fake news, no matter what side it comes from. Screw up in your job as much as they do and see how long you last.
 
Eh. You could argue that this style of reporting is better for the bottom line. Outrage and "breaking news" are what the people want to read. It's as much our fault as consumers as it is the fault of the media outlets IMO.

It really is. With the amount of traffic and dedicated subscribers to outlets like Breitbart and the Huffington Poast - I can't imagine either of them trying to migrate towards more journalistic integrity. It'd be bad for business.
 
Here’s what a former Centers for Disease Control (C.D.C.) official had to say about the list as it pertained to the C.D.C.’s budget:

“It’s absurd and Orwellian, it’s stupid and Orwellian, but they are not saying to not use the words in reports or articles or scientific publications or anything else the C.D.C. does,” the former official said. “They’re saying not to use it in your request for money because it will hurt you. It’s not about censoring what C.D.C. can say to the American public. It’s about a budget strategy to get funded.”

In other words, those seven words are triggers for the people who hold the purse strings in Congress, so avoid using them in budget proposals. Sheesh.
 
Censorship of language is a hot button for me. Sorry, not sorry.
It’s not censorship in the constitutional sense. There are no guarantees of freedom of speech when dealing in government business much like any business. He has every right to direct the activities of this agency. The people that work there just can’t use the words in any official capacity, but can still use them away from work.
 
Here’s what a former Centers for Disease Control (C.D.C.) official had to say about the list as it pertained to the C.D.C.’s budget:

“It’s absurd and Orwellian, it’s stupid and Orwellian, but they are not saying to not use the words in reports or articles or scientific publications or anything else the C.D.C. does,” the former official said. “They’re saying not to use it in your request for money because it will hurt you. It’s not about censoring what C.D.C. can say to the American public. It’s about a budget strategy to get funded.”

In other words, those seven words are triggers for the people who hold the purse strings in Congress, so avoid using them in budget proposals. Sheesh.
That's how I took it from the start. In other words, if your research centers on something silly like, I don't know, how the changing climate will impact fish species, you may want to tiptoe around the whole "climate change" thing so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of this administration and its base. If your research is about helping transgender folks I guess you might as well go ahead and move to Canada for a while.
 
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Here’s what a former Centers for Disease Control (C.D.C.) official had to say about the list as it pertained to the C.D.C.’s budget:

“It’s absurd and Orwellian, it’s stupid and Orwellian, but they are not saying to not use the words in reports or articles or scientific publications or anything else the C.D.C. does,” the former official said. “They’re saying not to use it in your request for money because it will hurt you. It’s not about censoring what C.D.C. can say to the American public. It’s about a budget strategy to get funded.”

In other words, those seven words are triggers for the people who hold the purse strings in Congress, so avoid using them in budget proposals. Sheesh.
I remember the IRS doing something really similar. Didn't agree then and I don't now if this is true. If you are pissed now but weren't then please explain.
 
It’s not censorship in the constitutional sense. There are no guarantees of freedom of speech when dealing in government business much like any business. He has every right to direct the activities of this agency. The people that work there just can’t use the words in any official capacity, but can still use them away from work.
Yeah... that sounds like a good way to operate. Trump is well-versed on sciency stuff.
 
That's how I took it from the start. In other words, if your research centers on something silly like, I don't know, how the changing climate will impact fish species, you may want to tiptoe around the whole "climate change" thing so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of this administration and its base. If your research is about helping transgender folks I guess you might as well go ahead and move to Canada for a while.
Why in hell should they be doing research ‘about helping transgender folks’? Wtf? I would hope the treasury isn't being plundered in the name of that sort of lunacy.
 
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