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The site below is my favorite for following NCAA basketball statistically. You can find any one of 350 teams' statistical rankings here. Here are a few pertinent ones from this year.

First, the bad:

A/TO ratio: T123rd at 1.12/1
FG%: 220th at 42.6%.......UK(176th) and dook(T135th) are also struggling to score, BTW

FT%: T293rd at 62.5%

Now the good:

FG%D: 32nd at 35.5%
OR/G: T37th at 14.0
DR/G: 5th at 35.7
TR/G: 3rd at 49.7
3FG%: T67th at 38.1%
3FG%D: 15th at 23.2%

So obviously, we need to start making more shots, from both the field and the FT line. The charity stripe in particular has not been very charitable to us so far. Plus, we're only averaging 24 FT's per game because we're still trying to implement our inside/outside game. In time, we will go to the FT line more often. We need to make a good percentage of them, especially this year when we're struggling to put points on the board.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/859
 
Keeling needs to get going. He is the only other player on the team (other than Cole) that can create his own shot.
I agree about him getting going but disagree with them being the only ones. Leaky with two dribbles can pull up and create on anyone. He needs CONFIDENCE!!! He oozes doubt but I also have to realize that he’s still playing catch-up from last year.
 
I agree about him getting going but disagree with them being the only ones. Leaky with two dribbles can pull up and create on anyone. He needs CONFIDENCE!!! He oozes doubt but I also have to realize that he’s still playing catch-up from last year.

No argument that Leaky can pull up and take a shot over a defender. At 6-8 he has the height to do it.

What I'm talking about is the capability to fake a player out and go around him for a wide-open jumper. In addition, create spacing for the other players. Not saying he can't do it, but thus far is has not showed that trait.

Keeling has the capability to do it but thus far he has turned the ball over several times as he moves past the defenders before he can release the shots. Primarily defenders are deflecting the ball as Keeling moves past him.
 
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we're only averaging 24 FT's per game because we're still trying to implement our inside/outside game. In time, we will go to the FT line more often. .

What makes you say this? A quick look shows that Roy's teams have avg > 24 FTA only twice in the last 10 years.
 
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Keeling needs to get going. He is the only other player on the team (other than Cole) that can create his own shot.

Disagree with you. Are you forgetting BRob? He can create for himself.
Platek is starting to get himself into spots and receive passes to shoot the 3 & drives to the basket. Has not made as many as we would like, but he is capable, and he has shown it in these first 3 games.

Pierce is another player that can create his shot and has done so already. It probably looks like we don't have players who can create shots, because we are sputtering so badly offensively. We do not have issues creating shots, our issues are making the shots we have created.
 
What makes you say this? A quick look shows that Roy's teams have avg > 24 FTA only twice in the last 10 years.
That surprises me a little. Regardless, I think we can agree we need to make more of them, especially since a good part of the are one and ones. Free throws are free points.
 
No argument that Leaky can pull up and take a shot over a defender. At 6-8 he has the height to do it.

What I'm talking about is the capability to fake a player out and go around him for a wide-open jumper. In addition, create spacing for the other players. Not saying he can't do it, but thus far is has not showed that trait.

Keeling has the capability to do it but thus far he has turned the ball over several times as he moves past the defenders before he can release the shots. Primarily defenders are deflecting the ball as Keeling moves past him.


When have you seen Keeling do it? You keep saying that Keeling has the ability to create his own shot but you’ve certainly not seen him do it in a Carolina uniform. So how do you know he can?
 
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Maybe Keeling can't at this level. He is the only one who has had the shot seeking creating aspect as a major part of his game though. Pierce a bit, and he seems to have the want to attack/create. Not sure if either can be a creator in the ACC though.

Leaky really has never featured that. He is built to, but has never displayed that mindset even in high school. A reluctant shooter/scorer quite often.

BRob, Platek, etc. seem to be much more dependant on getting open looks set up through the offense rather then creating when one on one when the opportunity presents itself.

Hopefully Mando continues to develop the little hook, and some go to moves on the block.
 
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Disagree with you. Are you forgetting BRob? He can create for himself.
Platek is starting to get himself into spots and receive passes to shoot the 3 & drives to the basket. Has not made as many as we would like, but he is capable, and he has shown it in these first 3 games.

Pierce is another player that can create his shot and has done so already. It probably looks like we don't have players who can create shots, because we are sputtering so badly offensively. We do not have issues creating shots, our issues are making the shots we have created.

BRob is a spot up jump shooter. If he is closely guarded he will stop his dribble and look to pass the ball. Perhaps he worked on this over the summer. We will see once he returns from his injury. Has BRob ever gotten a defensive rebound and taken it coast-to-coast for a lay-up?

I do think Pierce can create his shot do some degree. He showed it at William & Mary in some of those videos.
 
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When have you seen Keeling do it? You keep saying that Keeling has the ability to create his own shot but you’ve certainly not seen him do it in a Carolina uniform. So how do you know he can?

You are correct that he has not done it "yet" at UNC. This is because he has turned the ball over several times after he moved past the defenders. Without the turnovers he would have had some wide-open pull-up jumpers after moving past defenders.
 
BRob is more than a spot up shooter. He can drive the ball and has driven it on many occasions. I would dare say that any player who is guarded close enough will look to pass it off. As far as BRob going coast to coast with the ball....what's your point?

I do not see what difference it makes whether he goes coast to coast with the ball, as I am sure he can. Maybe that means something to you, to me, it's of no consequence at all and doesn't serve as any proof positive or negative in regards to his ability to drive the ball.

The bottom line is: We have enough players who can drive the ball and can create their shots, that's not at issue with this team. What is at issue, is the current ability to make the shots they create and putting the ball in the basket on drives that they do make.
 
BRob is more than a spot up shooter. He can drive the ball and has driven it on many occasions. I would dare say that any player who is guarded close enough will look to pass it off. As far as BRob going coast to coast with the ball....what's your point?

I do not see what difference it makes whether he goes coast to coast with the ball, as I am sure he can. Maybe that means something to you, to me, it's of no consequence at all and doesn't serve as any proof positive or negative in regards to his ability to drive the ball.

The bottom line is: We have enough players who can drive the ball and can create their shots, that's not at issue with this team. What is at issue, is the current ability to make the shots they create and putting the ball in the basket on drives that they do make.

Let agree to disagree about BRob. I hope he proves me wrong when he gets back.
 
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Dude, just stop it. He provides his opinion to this board, which many of us appreciate. If we were to provide a popularity contest here, I don't think you'd like the results.
Thanks Arch
Steat= good poster
boyika=one of the worse
 
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Pierce is my dark course. The ball just seems to find him on the court, which is a great trait. Gonna love this team in time. We have some interesting pieces, which will figure it out eventually.
 
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What I remember from BRob last season was his movement off the ball. I was of the opinion that helped him grab more minutes than most would think. He was super active in half court sets, cutting, setting picks and constantly moving. He then shot well when opportunities came to him from that movement.
 
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That's fine with me. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, as we all are. Would be a dull board if we all thought alike.
Besides your obvious basketball knowledge, that demonstrates why I appreciate your posts. You are very willing to agree to disagree, something that is becoming more rare every day in our society. I try to do the same.

Jiminy crickets, when we can't disagree peacefully on something as insignificant as a sport, it's no small wonder people hate you because you don't agree with them politically.
 
Gracious! Y'all calm down. What we see now will all change later on. Kids got to learn new roles and each other. TEAM play is the clue. It will come. Need everybody to get healthy. Patience grasshoppers.
 
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Come on man. Hes just yanking his chain

Posting things tongue in cheek is lost on a large % of this population.

For the record, I agree with Steat on Keeling. I've seen him be a very good spot up and off the dribble shooter in the games against top competition when he was at CSo.
 
That surprises me a little. Regardless, I think we can agree we need to make more of them, especially since a good part of the are one and ones. Free throws are free points.

Oh - for sure. I love Brooks but no way he should be crushing the rest of the team in FT%!
 
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I'm sure Roy has gotten on the players about their free throw percentages. I expect that to improve as the season goes on.
 
The site below is my favorite for following NCAA basketball statistically. You can find any one of 350 teams' statistical rankings here. Here are a few pertinent ones from this year.

First, the bad:

A/TO ratio: T123rd at 1.12/1
FG%: 220th at 42.6%.......UK(176th) and dook(T135th) are also struggling to score, BTW

FT%: T293rd at 62.5%

Now the good:

FG%D: 32nd at 35.5%
OR/G: T37th at 14.0
DR/G: 5th at 35.7
TR/G: 3rd at 49.7
3FG%: T67th at 38.1%
3FG%D: 15th at 23.2%

So obviously, we need to start making more shots, from both the field and the FT line. The charity stripe in particular has not been very charitable to us so far. Plus, we're only averaging 24 FT's per game because we're still trying to implement our inside/outside game. In time, we will go to the FT line more often. We need to make a good percentage of them, especially this year when we're struggling to put points on the board.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/859

I have really been impressed with Cole's rebounding ability and how he can get a board and instantly push it to start the primary break is a nice plus. But another guy is Pierce-who has rebounded in well thus far. He has shown to be very aggressive on the boards on both ends which has proved to be a key and will continue to be for us as he's our 3rd big in the post rotation.

A better measuring stick will be over the next few weeks to see how he fairs against some quicker and stronger 4s. But, he's off to a great start with 8.7 reb in 25 minutes and leading the team with 3.7 offensive rebounds a game. He has come along rather quickly and as the year goes on he will continue to be even more comfortable getting to his spots and taking his shots without hesitation. Him and Brooks have connected on some hi-low looks over the last two games which was nice to see.
 
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Cole is showing what a great rebounder he can be for us this year. I am scared to death though that he is going to come down and hurt his ankle. He is so athletic and when he skies to get a board I kind of twinge. I’m curious to know what his vertical is. This is going to be a brutal stretch and I look forward to seeing the guys compete.
 
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A better measuring stick will be over the next few weeks to see how he fairs against some quicker and stronger 4s. But, he's off to a great start with 8.7 reb in 25 minutes and leading the team with 3.7 offensive rebounds a game. He has come along rather quickly and as the year goes on he will continue to be even more comfortable getting to his spots and taking his shots without hesitation. Him and Brooks have connected on some hi-low looks over the last two games which was nice to see.
I don't think we'll see many, if any, fours who are quicker, stronger yes. Justin is quite athletic. He is going to be a key player for us all year long. He is a fearless rebounder, especially offensively.And we know how important that is to Roy. I love his game. Now if Christian can regain his confidence...
 
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I think BRob is going to be the best option for a next scorer after Cole. Obviously, Brooks and Bacot will have a lot of opportunities to scores and will have good numbers, though this faceup improvement that we heard about from Brooks hasn't really shown up yet.

I think Keeling and Pierce will flash at times but neither will be as consistent of an option as I think Robinson can be. I thought Leaky would be a lot more aggressive but perhaps he just is what he is. He has always deferred to others and people have always sort of expected more. Maybe it just won't happen.

Platek obviously isn't going to be much more than a spot up shooter, though he needs to actually start making a few of them. Luckily, Roy is smarter than those guy who think he needs to be anywhere near the PG position. So let him get some minutes and not mess up and hopefully make a few shots. He needs to make his shots though.

Most of our offense is going to be heavily Cole centric, even if he isn't scoring. His understanding is pretty elite for a freshman. However, obviously we need some scoring from somewhere. This is first time in Roy's tenure here where we haven't scored 80 points at least twice in our first four games (we haven't hit that mark yet). Roy tried to warn us this team could struggle on offense. He was right about that. I do think Robinson will make a difference. Just not sure how much.
 
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