Updated ESPN Rankings
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Jalek fell all the way to 24th. = /
Randolph 40th.
on Rivals
Jalek 27th and 4 stars. Randolph 54th.
TOS Jalek 28th. Randolph 38th.
Randolph 40th.
on Rivals
Jalek 27th and 4 stars. Randolph 54th.
TOS Jalek 28th. Randolph 38th.
Nothing wrong with discussing rankings. It obviously is scouts view of the players.
It is not an end all be all.
It is not an end all be all.
Judging by the threads on this board, I would say about 95% of posters care. Doesn't really mean anything, but people still care.
Changes in the ESPN rankings:
2017
EDIT: Mods might wanna merge this and the other updated rankings post.
2017
- Isaiah Stokes and Jericho Sims now at #60 and #67 respectively
- Brandon Randolph is top #40 and listed as a SF. Bodes well for us.
- Jalek gets his 5th star with his bump to #24
- Coby White bumped to a 5 star at #21. Rechon Black is close to an extra star as well at #26.
- Williamson gets a slight fall from #6 to #10.
- Dotson, who probably won't be on our radar anymore with a mutual feeling, is at #57.
- Hamilton gets a bump from mid/low 50s to #48.
- There are 10 guys in the 2018 class at or above 6'8 in the top 20 alone. It would be shocking if we couldn't land at least one talented big in this class.
EDIT: Mods might wanna merge this and the other updated rankings post.
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I think you might be the lone ranger on this one.
Happy to be that way
A quick question for all those who are caught up in all of this minutae... just out of curiosity
what RANKINGS did the following players have in their SR year of High School
Marcus Paige...Brice Johnson and
Kris Jenkins..... who destroyed us all in early April???
A quick question for all those who are caught up in all of this minutae... just out of curiosity
what RANKINGS did the following players have in their SR year of High School
Marcus Paige...Brice Johnson and
Kris Jenkins..... who destroyed us all in early April???
Marcus & Brice were 4 stars I believe, actually I think they were all 4 stars ?
Marcus #31 and Brice #47 national composite. Not sure your point , they are just discussing the rankings. Any kid in the top #100 at the very least has excellent potential.
Sure. And, besides, it's off season. So anything to talk about is better than nothing to talk about.
You said Jalek bumped up but the only previous thing I saw was that he was 7th.
I couldn't find rankings outside the top 100 or 150 on them. They clearly have him ahead of people but not sure what number it translates to.
Knowing Keyser, I'm sure it was Bur-Heel. All UNC fans should be aware of how good Jalek is by now. In fact, there's even been talk here about him possibly being at UNC only a year or two. A ranking like that will only serve to further motivate Jalek.
58 you just proved my point...... any kid in the top 100has excellent potential. The highly subjective movements up or down , by little known or unknown analysts, mean little if anything IMO .
If a kid is "rated" 33 or 23 or 53 or 83 or 3... I really could not care less.
the point is NONE of the three players I mentioned was a top ten player considered as OAD...NONE .Two were 4 year players that nearly won us a national championship. The other one drained a 30 footer to win it all and beat us in the most painful loss I have endured as a Tar Heel fan.
Was Kris Jenkins ranked 40th ,53rd,18th..66th??? Did it really matter??? I am absolutely certain that jay Wright could not have cared less what Jenkins' ranking was in HS by ESPN, Rivals or anybody else.
He just loved the kid and felt he could really help Villanova. I just wish the kid had gone someplace else
If a kid is "rated" 33 or 23 or 53 or 83 or 3... I really could not care less.
the point is NONE of the three players I mentioned was a top ten player considered as OAD...NONE .Two were 4 year players that nearly won us a national championship. The other one drained a 30 footer to win it all and beat us in the most painful loss I have endured as a Tar Heel fan.
Was Kris Jenkins ranked 40th ,53rd,18th..66th??? Did it really matter??? I am absolutely certain that jay Wright could not have cared less what Jenkins' ranking was in HS by ESPN, Rivals or anybody else.
He just loved the kid and felt he could really help Villanova. I just wish the kid had gone someplace else
I honestly don't care about the rankings or who we are actually recruiting. The only reason I know who these guys are is because of this board. All that being said, your argument has never made sense to me. You are cherry picking a few people to try and prove your point. You mention Brice and Paige, but you left out the dozens of players that didn't have that type of career. Those two are the exception, not the rule.
Someday someone like Pomeroy will do a multi-year statistical analysis to see how well HS rankings line up with performance in college, draft status, professional play and such.
My guess is that there will be a pretty good positive correlation.
You can already see that in a ball-parking sense if you look at the NBA draft. Just at a glance, higher ranked players out of HS do much better than chance.
So while it will always be easy to find some low-ranked player who turns out great and some high-ranked player who is a flop, I suspect if you place your bets according to HS ranking, you will win a lot more than someone who disregards that info.
I will agree that the rankings are somewhat subjective within a radius of say, 20 spots or so. Which is to say that if a recruit is ranked #30, he very well could be better than whoever is ranked #20 - or he could be worse than whoever is ranked #40. There's also a chance that just because a kid is a stud in HS, and is a top 5-10 ranked player, that he might not pan out in college. And vice versa, where a kid that wasn't great in HS and is ranked outside the top 100 blows up and is a star in college - but the chances are better that they'll perform about on par with their rankings.
So therefore I would much prefer getting a #3 ranked talent than a #53 or #83 ranked talent. And you may very not be able to care less if we don't get highly ranked recruits, but future recruits do look at "the landscape" and take notice of the schools that have landed the highly ranked recruits recently, and if they're highly ranked themselves they're more inclined to go where the others have gone before them.
He's not. I mean, I hope we're not consistently signing guys ranked in the 200s and whatnot. But I don't really care if a guy is ranked 26 vs 21.
There is no exception and there is no rule. It's so individualized. Just because a guy is ranked in the top 20, it doesn't mean he'll succeed. And just because a guy is ranked outside the top 100, it doesn't mean he can't.
The point key was making is simple - rankings are something to talk about and get UK and duke fans to wet their pants over. But in the long run, they don't mean all that much - especially when we discuss the play of a guy ranked in the 30s vs a guy ranked in the 50s. It's just not that important. Furthermore, there isn't one single person on this board that evaluates talent better than Roy. So I get the discussion because what else are we going to talk about? But I think we can all agree that if Roy offers, then he obviously sees value in the kid receiving the offer. Plus, we'll get what we get so why be focused on the numbers?
Long hot summer...gotta talk about something.
I keep thinking that I will wake up one morning ...come on this board and BOOM we have gotten a commit from a BIG in 2017. BIGS BIGS BIGS come on down!!!!!
I keep thinking that I will wake up one morning ...come on this board and BOOM we have gotten a commit from a BIG in 2017. BIGS BIGS BIGS come on down!!!!!
Bottom line is this all is one huge CRAPSHOOT.. it really is
Look at this from a football perspective in a slightly different way Tow of the GREATEST QBs in NFL history were/are
Tom Brady and Joe Montana
Montana was a 4th round pick
Brady a sixth rounder
Compare that to the countless number of qbs drafted in the first round who were complete and total busts.
Same thing on on a lower level and a different sport can be said in BBall recruiting. How many top ten kids in HS have come along that never amounted to ANYTHING in college much less got a sniff in the pros ?? That list is way too long to compile.
Look at this from a football perspective in a slightly different way Tow of the GREATEST QBs in NFL history were/are
Tom Brady and Joe Montana
Montana was a 4th round pick
Brady a sixth rounder
Compare that to the countless number of qbs drafted in the first round who were complete and total busts.
Same thing on on a lower level and a different sport can be said in BBall recruiting. How many top ten kids in HS have come along that never amounted to ANYTHING in college much less got a sniff in the pros ?? That list is way too long to compile.
There is a correlation between ratings and talent, there's no denying that. And it's more pronounced at the top. But recruiting is, and always will be, pretty subjective. Tangibles like height, weight, reach, quickness, and jumping ability can be measured definitively. Intangibles like work ethic, coachability, and heart can't.
It is the summer and we got to talk about something so why not talk about rankings, it beats feuding if only by a little (LOL)...
Clearly the higher a kid is ranked the more folks supposed to be experts see potential in him. You can not account for the kid that is a late bloomer, the light comes on for some kids late in the process. If that were not true 7th Woods would have been the far and away best player in his class and they would name a draft after him. Every one of us would get JACKED if we look on here tomorrow morning and saw the 5 star Bamba had just committed to us, would ya be as jacked if you saw tomorrow morning that the 3 star Hufffman had committed to us?
Begging the question, how in depth have you studied Bamba and Huffman's game? Would your level of JACKED be because you have watched both in depth or would it be because one is a 5 star and the other a 3 star considered to be 4yr player? You already know and you already know I know that answer, you level of being jacked will be determined by the star rating of each player because you have not seen enough of either to really compare and contrast their games.
I don't care where they are ranked sounds good but ya do care because you know there is a vast difference in the game of a 5 star as opposed to a 3 star. Can you honestly tell me that in your deepest place in your heart that you would not have loved to have seen Skal commit to us last season about this time? What if Jeter had committed to us, you know as well as I do you would have been very happy over that! Geez folks, realize we spun a kid outside of the top 150 in Platek as a GREAT addition for weeks! Had ya rather had Platek or a 5 star 2 guard?
It is kinda funny and we are all guilty (I absolutely am) but we don't care about 5 star players when we are not getting them, we care about them when we do get them? Pretty much explains how and why fan is short for FANATIC! LOL
Clearly the higher a kid is ranked the more folks supposed to be experts see potential in him. You can not account for the kid that is a late bloomer, the light comes on for some kids late in the process. If that were not true 7th Woods would have been the far and away best player in his class and they would name a draft after him. Every one of us would get JACKED if we look on here tomorrow morning and saw the 5 star Bamba had just committed to us, would ya be as jacked if you saw tomorrow morning that the 3 star Hufffman had committed to us?
Begging the question, how in depth have you studied Bamba and Huffman's game? Would your level of JACKED be because you have watched both in depth or would it be because one is a 5 star and the other a 3 star considered to be 4yr player? You already know and you already know I know that answer, you level of being jacked will be determined by the star rating of each player because you have not seen enough of either to really compare and contrast their games.
I don't care where they are ranked sounds good but ya do care because you know there is a vast difference in the game of a 5 star as opposed to a 3 star. Can you honestly tell me that in your deepest place in your heart that you would not have loved to have seen Skal commit to us last season about this time? What if Jeter had committed to us, you know as well as I do you would have been very happy over that! Geez folks, realize we spun a kid outside of the top 150 in Platek as a GREAT addition for weeks! Had ya rather had Platek or a 5 star 2 guard?
It is kinda funny and we are all guilty (I absolutely am) but we don't care about 5 star players when we are not getting them, we care about them when we do get them? Pretty much explains how and why fan is short for FANATIC! LOL
I never said they couldn't succeeded, but brushing aside the chance of success because two players out of 80 have great careers is cherry picking. Roy is certainly better at this than I am, so as long as there are no character issues I'll trust him to get the right people.
We all love to sign 5* players. But if I have a choice between a OAD 5* or a 3-4 year 4*, give me the 4* all day long. All day long.
Sure, I would have been happy. I'm happy anytime a recruit wants to come to UNC. But I don't really care about them as a player because they aren't playing at UNC yet. I wish them all the luck in the world while they are in high school and I care about them as a human, but I won't spend any of my time keeping up with them. There is nothing wrong with doing that, but it's just not my thing. I'll let you guys do all that work for me.
you missed my point. My point is people care to talk about it.
I could see this argument if there was something that said something along the lines of "you'll only get one SG recruit in the next 4 years... do you want that to be a 5* OAD, or a 3-4 year 4*". Because in the 2-3 years following the first season, you'd be stuck with no SG if you chose the OAD.
But there isn't anything that says that. If you take the 5* OAD SG, you can go out and get another 5* OAD the following year, and the year after that, and the year after that. So now you've been able to have a 5* start for you for 3-4 years (granted they've been different kids) as opposed to having your 4* start for you during that time.
And even if you don't continue to get the 5* OAD every year after the first one, you can then get your 3-4 year 4* star anyways. So for that reason - I'd prefer the 5* OAD every time.
Look at the 2005 and 2009 rosters. Give me the higher rated players mixed in with a couple 4 stars.
I'm sure you're not alone in feeling that way. I just disagree. It's what makes message boards interesting.
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