Vanderbilt & PJ's Decision?

[RoseHeel]

With Vanderbilt visiting UK soon, and UK also being considered the leader for PJ, there are a lot of pieces that hinge on each other.

Ira Lee, as expected, committed to Zona yesterday. That now gives them 2 top rated bigs in the 2017 class, as well as some solid pieces already on board, like Markkannen and Comanche. They're also pushing for McCoy as well. You'd have to think they're about done in the bigs department.

Arizona has been on Vanderbilt longer than anyone, so I'd guess that they could be considered the favorites. But with those guys on board, he has to be taking a 2nd look.

So My Theory:
If PJ commits to UK, Vanderbilt won't be going there, and probably not Arizona either. So we're next in line.

If Vanderbilt commits to UK, PJ doesn't go there, and instead commits to UNC instead.

Any thoughts? Too optimistic?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Is TCU out of the picture for Vanderbilt? I don't know why he would want to go there, but that's just me.

 

[RoseHeel]

Is TCU out of the picture for Vanderbilt? I don't know why he would want to go there, but that's just me.

I'm curious as to why TCU is even considered such a heavy favorite. Other than by 247...

Perhaps someone else has some insight on TCU's chances, but I imagine they'll pull the same thing they did with Tremont Waters: Stick by TCU and then suddenly make a bunch of late picks at the last minute.

 

[dadika13]

I'm curious as to why TCU is even considered such a heavy favorite. Other than by 247...

Perhaps someone else has some insight on TCU's chances, but I imagine they'll pull the same thing they did with Tremont Waters: Stick by TCU and then suddenly make a bunch of late picks at the last minute.

TCU hired Vandy's cousin to be an assistant there. That's how they are involved.

As far as PJ vs. Vandy and UK. UK has done this before...the Randle class was stocked with PF's. However, do either of these kids want that scenario? I would assume not but who knows.

I think Vandy committing to UK this weekend would really raise our chances with PJ. I don't know if PJ committing to UK raises our chances with Vandy much.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

If Vanderbilt commits to UK, PJ doesn't go there, and instead commits to UNC instead.

TCU hired Vandy's cousin to be an assistant there. That's how they are involved.
I think Vandy committing to UK this weekend would really raise our chances with PJ. I don't know if PJ committing to UK raises our chances with Vandy much.

Thanks for the reminder on the TCU connection, dadika13.

Both of you sound right on the benefit to us if Vanderbilt commits to UK. I've been thinking we might get Vanderbilt, but you almost have me convinced to hope he commits to UK, now.

Then again, if Vanderbilt doesn't feel obligated to sell out to TCU (and good for him if he doesn't), I think he should pick us.

 

[uncfan in ky]

I don't think Cal would take a commitment from Vanderbilt this weekend.
He'd tell him to sleep on it or something like that & then crawl his slimy butt to the phone to call PJ.

 

[Ned Cota]

I don't think Cal would take a commitment from Vanderbilt this weekend.
He'd tell him to sleep on it or something like that & then crawl his slimy butt to the phone to call PJ.

I agree. Just have to hope that Cal meeting with Vanderbilt rubs PJ the wrong way and/or Cal telling Vanderbilt to hold off would upset him.

 

[Butterbutt44]

Watch uk get both. lol wouldn't shock me. In a sane world Vanderbilt or pj commuting to U.K. Would send the other one elsewhere, but let's not forget cal got ten of these guys to buy into a platoon system and accept less pt one year sooo I don't rule anything out.

 

[Sk1310]

Watch uk get both. lol wouldn't shock me. In a sane world Vanderbilt or pj commuting to U.K. Would send the other one elsewhere, but let's not forget cal got ten of these guys to buy into a platoon system and accept less pt one year sooo I don't rule anything out.

Isn't Cal done with the platoon system? I am pretty sure he said he is.

 

[Butterbutt44]

Maybe, but at the same time he has also signed multiple five star pf in the same year as well. I guess what I'm saying is I don't think Vanderbilt visiting is that huge a deal and they could easily sign both of them.

Even 5 or 6 years ago I'd have thought that'd be ridiculous but when it comes to these recruits and Uk nothing surprises me.

 

[smooth as butter]

I feel one of them will be a Tarheel.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

neither Vanderbilt nor PJ seem the type to fall for Infallible Cal's used car sales pitch! I believe that the commitment of either could very well send the other home to Blue Heaven! I also believe Roy is good enough to pull one for sure and possibly influence both.

I would be surprised if both come to the Tar Heels, but I would be shocked if both went to Kentuck!

 

[RoseHeel]

Obviously Vanderbilt committing would equal to us being the favorites IMO.

I think PJ's decision may affect Vanderbilt a bit. Most would say he's not going there if PJ does. I spoke to an Arizona fan who thinks they're out of it for Vanderbilt with Lee's decision + McCoy and Walker's recruitment.

I don't know if his cousin at TCU affects his decision that much, but it hasn't seemed to play that much into it so far.

Between KU, Texas, and us, I like our chances.

 

[Archer2]

Obviously Vanderbilt committing would equal to us being the favorites IMO.

I think PJ's decision may affect Vanderbilt a bit. Most would say he's not going there if PJ does. I spoke to an Arizona fan who thinks they're out of it for Vanderbilt with Lee's decision + McCoy and Walker's recruitment.

I don't know if his cousin at TCU affects his decision that much, but it hasn't seemed to play that much into it so far.

Between KU, Texas, and us, I like our chances.

Won't be the last time I'm accused of being looney toons but I think we sign one of these guys.

 

[dadika13]

I don't know if his cousin at TCU affects his decision that much, but it hasn't seemed to play that much into it so far.

Not according to most experts. They think TCU is very much a factor.

 

[DSouthr]

Obviously Vanderbilt committing would equal to us being the favorites IMO.

I think PJ's decision may affect Vanderbilt a bit. Most would say he's not going there if PJ does. I spoke to an Arizona fan who thinks they're out of it for Vanderbilt with Lee's decision + McCoy and Walker's recruitment.

I don't know if his cousin at TCU affects his decision that much, but it hasn't seemed to play that much into it so far.

Between KU, Texas, and us, I like our chances.

Yeah, I agree, I think you can effectively say there is a 99.999% chance Arizona is out of it for both PJ and vanderbilt. You do have to consider the family tie of TCU to vanderbilt IMO, I don't know how close that family tie is. I know it is a cousin but how close they are IDK or how much sway that has in his final decision. I would think just as big a factor as his cousin being an asst at TCU is that Vanderbilt is a Texas kid, how much that can over come the cache of Ky or UNC is hard to know but I would think at the end of the day TCU would be behind the 2 blue bloods.

 

[HeelFan58]

Yeah, I agree, I think you can effectively say there is a 99.999% chance Arizona is out of it for both PJ and vanderbilt. You do have to consider the family tie of TCU to vanderbilt IMO, I don't know how close that family tie is. I know it is a cousin but how close they are IDK or how much sway that has in his final decision. I would think just as big a factor as his cousin being an asst at TCU is that Vanderbilt is a Texas kid, how much that can over come the cache of Ky or UNC is hard to know but I would think at the end of the day TCU would be behind the 2 blue bloods.

UNC has had a tough time getting kids out of Texas but I am not familiar with Uk's recent history with Texas recruits.

 

[dadika13]

UNC has had a tough time getting kids out of Texas but I am not familiar with Uk's recent history with Texas recruits.

Not sure how many he's missed on, but he's landed the Harrison's, Fox, and Randle.

 

[DSouthr]

UNC has had a tough time getting kids out of Texas but I am not familiar with Uk's recent history with Texas recruits.

Justin is the only one we have been able to get in a long while, Roy recruits Texas kids hard, Randle is a great example but Rose and Ridley are a couple more where we seemed strong early only to fade. Never really looked but I assume Roy recruited Texas more successfully when he was at kansas than he has since being back with us.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Hinson was a Tx kid at one time.

 

[DSouthr]

Hinson was a Tx kid at one time.

Yeah but we got him out of Florida, difference IMO is how UNC is perceived on the east coast is lessened the closer you get top the pacific. In Texas, imo teams like kansas and Arizona are looked at as stronger than we see them on the right side of the Mississippi.

Honestly, would not hurt my feelings at all if Roy never recruited another kid west of the Mississippi. I would love to see us, in addition to taking back the home state, re-galvanize that Tide water pipeline, get more out of Florida and Georgia, and re-establish that NY pipeline we used to work so well in.

 

[dadika13]

re-establish that NY pipeline we used to work so well in.

I'd love it but it may have gotten too dirty up here. All of the major AAU teams up here (Playaz, Gauchos, etc.) have handlers ALL over them. You go to the games and it feels like a grease factory with all the slime. It's awful.

The only recent kid you could get near was KAT but his father was so obsessed with his NBA career that UK was really the only choice.

 

[DSouthr]

I'd love it but it may have gotten too dirty up here. All of the major AAU teams up here (Playaz, Gauchos, etc.) have handlers ALL over them. You go to the games and it feels like a grease factory with all the slime. It's awful.

The only recent kid you could get near was KAT but his father was so obsessed with his NBA career that UK was really the only choice.

Hate to hear that the handlers are so involved but guess we have to accept it until and if the NCAA decides to clean that up. Hopefully if we can ever get away from this one & done nonsense this handler stuff will ease way up.

Leads to a question, do you get the sense that handlers are working more than just the 5 star kids but the 3 and 4 star kids as well?

 

[coryfly]

TCU hired Vandy's cousin to be an assistant there. That's how they are involved.

As far as PJ vs. Vandy and UK. UK has done this before...the Randle class was stocked with PF's. However, do either of these kids want that scenario? I would assume not but who knows.

I think Vandy committing to UK this weekend would really raise our chances with PJ. I don't know if PJ committing to UK raises our chances with Vandy much.

Yeah, I agree. If one is looking for a guy to commit to UK helping us with the other, they should want Vanderbilt to commit to them.

 

[dadika13]

Hate to hear that the handlers are so involved but guess we have to accept it until and if the NCAA decides to clean that up. Hopefully if we can ever get away from this one & done nonsense this handler stuff will ease way up.

Leads to a question, do you get the sense that handlers are working more than just the 5 star kids but the 3 and 4 star kids as well?

Yeah, I think eliminating OAD may be the only way to rid ourselves of these guys (and girl...there is a woman up here who is NOTORIOUS for being extremely influential with one major AAU team and she absolutely has some player's ears.)

On the 3/4 stars, it depends with each from what I'm told. Sometimes with a lesser recruit, a "handler" is just simply his AAU coach, in which case this coach will usually have a say with all of his players just because of the relationship. HS coaches mean very little these days with most kids. I have a buddy who was an assistant at a major program and he said that twice he got a commitment from a kid without ever meeting his HS coach. But he talked to the AAU coach/director weekly.

Problem is that a lot of these AAU guys up here are really slimy. They crave being involved. Jimmy Salmon (runs Playaz) is so dirty. Moe Hicks left St. John's under a cloud of suspicion and now he's running the Gauchos. I think The Rens seem to be the only semi-clean program. I think Danny Green's dad is still involved there.

I think that's been Roy's biggest challenge in getting back up here.

 

[DSouthr]

Yeah, I think eliminating OAD may be the only way to rid ourselves of these guys (and girl...there is a woman up here who is NOTORIOUS for being extremely influential with one major AAU team and she absolutely has some player's ears.)

On the 3/4 stars, it depends with each from what I'm told. Sometimes with a lesser recruit, a "handler" is just simply his AAU coach, in which case this coach will usually have a say with all of his players just because of the relationship. HS coaches mean very little these days with most kids. I have a buddy who was an assistant at a major program and he said that twice he got a commitment from a kid without ever meeting his HS coach. But he talked to the AAU coach/director weekly.

Problem is that a lot of these AAU guys up here are really slimy. They crave being involved. Jimmy Salmon (runs Playaz) is so dirty. Moe Hicks left St. John's under a cloud of suspicion and now he's running the Gauchos. I think The Rens seem to be the only semi-clean program. I think Danny Green's dad is still involved there.

I think that's been Roy's biggest challenge in getting back up here.

I totally agree on how the AAU and EYBL coaches seem to carry more power with recruits now days, would suggest the big time prep schools coaches carry more than the typical high school coach does. And that is a place I do think Roy is missing the boat some on, his focus is more on the high school coach and the parents. Not that I advocate for Roy to go down in to the mud with dirty handlers but maybe he could look a bit more to involving the summer league coaches that are trying to do things the right way and many are, they are not all dirty, to many for sure are.

 

[Butterbutt44]

Jerry meyer is predicting both to UK, along with like 10 other guys. Idk how accurate this guy usually is or isnt, but there ya go.

 

[Sk1310]

Lol

 

[RoseHeel]

Yep. UK is totally getting 10 guys in one class. Seems legit.

 

[Butterbutt44]

I was exaggerating it was like 7. Which I still thought was ridiculous. I don't know his track record - which I admitted, just thought I would share.

 

[gary-7]

Jerry meyer is predicting both to UK, along with like 10 other guys. Idk how accurate this guy usually is or isnt, but there ya go.

...of course he is.

 

[uncfan in ky]

Jerry meyer is predicting both to UK, along with like 10 other guys. Idk how accurate this guy usually is or isnt, but there ya go.

Meyer picked John Petty to UK also.
Petty has cancelled his UK visit & is expected to pick Alabama.

 

[Sk1310]

Read Bamba is visiting Texas this weekend and they are confident they can land Bamba and Coleman. It's the reason Texas backed off Washington. Found that very interesting. I am gaining more confidence in landing Washington since Roy has made him his #1 priority over anyone else, I believe it pays off in the end.

 

[DSouthr]

Read Bamba is visiting Texas this weekend and they are confident they can land Bamba and Coleman. It's the reason Texas backed off Washington. Found that very interesting. I am gaining more confidence in landing Washington since Roy has made him his #1 priority over anyone else, I believe it pays off in the end.

Bamba to Texas? Nah, not buying that, not buying that at all. At this point it would shock me just as much for Carter to pick Harvard as it would Bamba signing with any program not named Kentucky.

 

[Sk1310]

Bamba to Texas? Nah, not buying that, not buying that at all. At this point it would shock me just as much for Carter to pick Harvard as it would Bamba signing with any program not named Kentucky.

Mom and Dad are pushing for Harvard. Someone he looks up to, Jaylen Brown is also pushing him to go to Harvard. Probably won't happen, but it's getting interesting.

 

[Coach325]

Mom and Dad are pushing for Harvard. Someone he looks up to, Jaylen Brown is also pushing him to go to Harvard. Probably won't happen, but it's getting interesting.

Carter's mom and dad are not pushing for Harvard.

 

[Sk1310]

Carter's mom and dad are not pushing for Harvard.

Carter’s parents will be by his side, and they already have a favorite. The Carters visited Harvard last month and mom and dad were blown away by what they saw.

“That’s our choice for Wendell,” Kylia Carter said. “We hope he chooses Harvard. It just smelt academic. It felt it, it smelt it, it looked it, it was really a great experience. I don’t see how anyone would not want to pursue that academically. It’s just awesome.”

http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...er-jr-recruiting-duke-harvard-parents-atlanta

[Any parent would dream] to send their kid to Harvard," Kylia Carter said recently at the Nike Skills Academy, in Los Angeles. "It just opens up a whole other level of opportunities, a whole other level of relationships … just a different life for him. And at the end of the day, without basketball, that's what life is about, right?"

"Just wait and see," Mrs. Carter said. "Just wait and see because I really think... I think Harvard has a better shot than people think. I think Harvard has a better shot than they even think... I really do."


http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...-official-visits-duke-kentucky-harvard-082316

I don't know, sounds like the mom at least really wants Harvard, no?

 

[gary-7]

Read Bamba is visiting Texas this weekend and they are confident they can land Bamba and Coleman. It's the reason Texas backed off Washington. Found that very interesting. I am gaining more confidence in landing Washington since Roy has made him his #1 priority over anyone else, I believe it pays off in the end.

Dunno about Bamba, but Coleman has been heavy to TX for a while, especially since he didn't get his UNC offer, so the Rat has some work to do. And yes, Roy is doing everything right with PJ. Coach Rob in Vegas yesterday.

 

[gary-7]

Carter’s parents will be by his side, and they already have a favorite. The Carters visited Harvard last month and mom and dad were blown away by what they saw.

“That’s our choice for Wendell,” Kylia Carter said. “We hope he chooses Harvard. It just smelt academic. It felt it, it smelt it, it looked it, it was really a great experience. I don’t see how anyone would not want to pursue that academically. It’s just awesome.”

http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...er-jr-recruiting-duke-harvard-parents-atlanta

[Any parent would dream] to send their kid to Harvard," Kylia Carter said recently at the Nike Skills Academy, in Los Angeles. "It just opens up a whole other level of opportunities, a whole other level of relationships … just a different life for him. And at the end of the day, without basketball, that's what life is about, right?"

"Just wait and see," Mrs. Carter said. "Just wait and see because I really think... I think Harvard has a better shot than people think. I think Harvard has a better shot than they even think... I really do."


http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...-official-visits-duke-kentucky-harvard-082316

I don't know, sounds like the mom at least really wants Harvard, no?

And it also sounds like one of the resident Radar dookies is getting a little nervous...

 

[soap - new and improved]

Mom understands that Harvard on his resume will open many doors regardless of how long he plays basketball. Even if he never finishes his degree it will still carry a certain cachet.