What's Up with Randolph

[What Would Jesus Do?]

For a while there he looked likely to commit. Even now, 247 shows us in the lead (ahead of Louisville). FWIW.

We all agree that landing a few bigs is our top priority, but that doesn't mean I don't want a talented wing like Randolph. Justin will be gone, Theo will be a senior or gone. BRob may not be big enough to handle major minutes at SF.

He may be listed as a SG but at 6'6 183 and with another year to grow before hitting campus, Randolf would be a nice addition. Plus giving us another top-50 guy in this class.

A class like this would still leave us scholarships to add 1 or 2 more bigs

27 Felton
42 Randolph
219 Huffman
227 Platek

So . . . anybody have any inside dope on Randolph?

 

[DSouthr]

WWJD, don't know if this helps ya but very recently Randolph was measured in sneakers at 6'3.5", not the 6'6" we have seen so many times. At that height would you not see him more as a 2 than a 3 and how many 2s do we already have, we got 2 of them in this 2017 class already.

 

[Bur-Heel]

The Knox train is really starting to roll!!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

WWJD, don't know if this helps ya but very recently Randolph was measured in sneakers at 6'3.5", not the 6'6" we have seen so many times. At that height would you not see him more as a 2 than a 3 and how many 2s do we already have, we got 2 of them in this 2017 class already.

That's a pretty big difference. He looks longer than that. But, yeah, if that's the case, then more the size of an SG.

 

[DSouthr]

That's a pretty big difference. He looks longer than that. But, yeah, if that's the case, then more the size of an SG.

Yeah, I think it was Rob Jones that shared that on a recent post, not sure which thread it was in but it was recent.

 

[RobJones__]

I wasn't aware of his measurements, I think that was someone else that brought that info to the board. I've just read been clear in the fact that he's a 2 and putting him at the 3 would be ambitious.

 

[DSouthr]

I wasn't aware of his measurements, I think that was someone else that brought that info to the board. I've just read been clear in the fact that he's a 2 and putting him at the 3 would be ambitious.

Didn't mean to tag you with saying something you didn't, I do recall his measurements were listed in a post here within the last couple weeks and thought it may have been you but must have been someone else.

 

[RobJones__]

Didn't mean to tag you with saying something you didn't, I do recall his measurements were listed in a post here within the last couple weeks and thought it may have been you but must have been someone else.

No worries at all, I didn't take it that way. I just didn't want to take credit for information that wasn't mine. Myself and the rest of the THI staff pride ourselves in giving proper credit as well as verifying info first hand before we report it. Even in as simple of a case as this it wasn't my info to take credit for.

I'll just take it as a pat on the back from you for sticking to my thoughts that we was a straight SG and not a SF.

 

[DSouthr]

No worries at all, I didn't take it that way. I just didn't want to take credit for information that wasn't mine. Myself and the rest of the THI staff pride ourselves in giving proper credit as well as verifying info first hand before we report it. Even in as simple of a case as this it wasn't my info to take credit for.

I'll just take it as a pat on the back from you for sticking to my thoughts that we was a straight SG and not a SF.

I think it is very important to realize what position this kid would play, I think most here see (or at least thought) him as a wing rather than a 2. Him being a 2 and not a wing is a huge difference maker IMO, simply because we already have so many 2 guards both already here as well as committed and on the way. It is hard for me to see adding another one and if I am being totally honest, any wing not named Kevin Knox is hard for me to see coming from this 2017 class, considering the position we are in at least for now with Zion and Hamilton in 2018.

Kevin Knox would be a great wing take because of the ability to produce now and the fact that he is VERY likely to be one & done and not keep us from being able to secure Zion or Hamilton.

If Randolph were to commit to us, no matter how talented he may be, he would be 2 guard #5 even if I have White at the point and Leaky at the wing. IMO, that is just to many 2 guards especially when our need areas are so defined to our front court.

 

[Bur-Heel]

If platek wasn't on board already..Randolph would be a done deal!!

 

[johnhelvete]

WWJD, don't know if this helps ya but very recently Randolph was measured in sneakers at 6'3.5", not the 6'6" we have seen so many times. At that height would you not see him more as a 2 than a 3 and how many 2s do we already have, we got 2 of them in this 2017 class already.

Your original point that Randolph is a SG and not a wing is probably true but Draftexpress has Randolph at the Nike Basketball Academy in 2016 listed in sneakers at 6'4.5".

 

[RobJones__]

Folks, I'm just telling you that regardless of what his height may read, Randolph is a SG. Height isn't always an indication of what position a kid plays. It's about their skill set and even their mentality when on the floor. This kid can score in bunches and has the skill set of a SG.

Now if he has some crazy growth spurt taking him to Durant size or something that's different. But whether he's anywhere from 6'2 - 6'6, he's most effective on the floor as a shooting guard.

 

[RoseHeel]

If platek wasn't on board already..Randolph would be a done deal!!

I think saying Platek is keeping Randolph from committing is like saying O'Connell is keeping Trent Jr. from committing to Duke. Same with Sims and Washington.

He hasn't made any recruiting news since he cut his list back in July, so I'd imagine he's just keeping things close to his inner circle. Probably just exploring all options, just like every other recruit does nowadays IMO.

I still don't know what made insiders suddenly think UNC was the favorite, but I still hope they're right. Height doesn't concern me as much as his skills.

 

[RoseHeel]

As for getting him on board with 2 guards on board, I'd say go for it. Felton is a combo guard, so I'm sure we could see him at PG just as well as SG.

And as much as I'd love to believe Platek will come in and start raining 3's from day 1, I imagine he won't be giving us solid minutes at least until his Jr. season, even if that early.

 

[DSouthr]

I think saying Platek is keeping Randolph from committing is like saying O'Connell is keeping Trent Jr. from committing to Duke. Same with Sims and Washington.

He hasn't made any recruiting news since he cut his list back in July, so I'd imagine he's just keeping things close to his inner circle. Probably just exploring all options, just like every other recruit does nowadays IMO.

I still don't know what made insiders suddenly think UNC was the favorite, but I still hope they're right. Height doesn't concern me as much as his skills.

For Randolph and Trent, it is kinda the same argument really, neither Platek nor OConnell are expected to start at least until they are Jrs and who knows then. I think we can all agree that Randolph and Trent are more talented as 2 guards or at very least expected to be by the gurus. It is not a matter of talent at this point as much as it is a question of head count and numbers of scholarships either program can spend on that one position. And frankly, it has to be a consideration for Randolph and Trent when you have so many scholarship guys on roster at your position, that is a problem for BOTH.

You mention Sims and PJ, yeah, it is a situation there a lil different because you are talking Texas with three 4 star players and a 5 star already in that front court that have yet to play their first NCAA game. If we are talking Stokes and Huffman for example, very different because neither of those guys are top 150, a 5 star PJ would not look at them as being playing time road blocks but those 4 stars at Texas are going to get solid PT or at least will be expected to.

FYI tidbit, looks like Ky is fading fast for PJ, Texas as well, so I hope those saying UNLV is a non-factor are right because if they are not in this, the door may have just swung wide open for him to be a Tar Heel!!!

 

[DSouthr]

As for getting him on board with 2 guards on board, I'd say go for it. Felton is a combo guard, so I'm sure we could see him at PG just as well as SG.

And as much as I'd love to believe Platek will come in and start raining 3's from day 1, I imagine he won't be giving us solid minutes at least until his Jr. season, even if that early.

And yet we still have Kenny, 7th and BRob...

 

[heels05champs]

For Randolph and Trent, it is kinda the same argument really, neither Platek nor OConnell are expected to start at least until they are Jrs and who knows then. I think we can all agree that Randolph and Trent are more talented as 2 guards or at very least expected to be by the gurus. It is not a matter of talent at this point as much as it is a question of head count and numbers of scholarships either program can spend on that one position. And frankly, it has to be a consideration for Randolph and Trent when you have so many scholarship guys on roster at your position, that is a problem for BOTH.

You mention Sims and PJ, yeah, it is a situation there a lil different because you are talking Texas with three 4 star players and a 5 star already in that front court that have yet to play their first NCAA game. If we are talking Stokes and Huffman for example, very different because neither of those guys are top 150, a 5 star PJ would not look at them as being playing time road blocks but those 4 stars at Texas are going to get solid PT or at least will be expected to.

FYI tidbit, looks like Ky is fading fast for PJ, Texas as well, so I hope those saying UNLV is a non-factor are right because if they are not in this, the door may have just swung wide open for him to be a Tar Heel!!!

I hope you're right on UK and Texas fading with PJ. I haven't seen any mention of this but it would bold well for UNC.

 

[DSouthr]

Your original point that Randolph is a SG and not a wing is probably true but Draftexpress has Randolph at the Nike Basketball Academy in 2016 listed in sneakers at 6'4.5".

Thanks John, I knew it was either 6'3.5 or 4.5", thanks for giving the source of that info!

At the end of the day Rob is right what he says a post or 2 above this one, height is not the deciding factor on where a kid plays, the game does that. Theo IMO can play the 4 in college, we have seen him do it and do it well but ya don't see many 6'6" power forwards that are slim like he is. Right now I think Leaky is most likely going to be a wing (or a 4 if he sprouts to 6'9-10" as his doctors are expecting) but he still considers himself a PG, you do not see many 6'7" PGs in college, can he do that, IDK, I don't expect it but even that could happen.

 

[DSouthr]

I hope you're right on UK and Texas fading with PJ. I haven't seen any mention of this but it would bold well for UNC.

It appears Ky is holding off (slow playing) a top 30 4/5 and looking to grab Bamba and Ayton and that guy they are slow playing is not PJ, meaning PJ is about 4th or 5th in their pecking order. PJs camp did not initially realize they were being played as 4th or 5th, they thought they were more of a priority than that. While that does not officially knock them out, any more than Sims to Texas took them out, it kinda does effectively take both schools out.

 

[Archer2]

If platek wasn't on board already..Randolph would be a done deal!!

I doubt seriously that this is the case.

 

[RoseHeel]

For Randolph and Trent, it is kinda the same argument really, neither Platek nor OConnell are expected to start at least until they are Jrs and who knows then. I think we can all agree that Randolph and Trent are more talented as 2 guards or at very least expected to be by the gurus. It is not a matter of talent at this point as much as it is a question of head count and numbers of scholarships either program can spend on that one position. And frankly, it has to be a consideration for Randolph and Trent when you have so many scholarship guys on roster at your position, that is a problem for BOTH.

You mention Sims and PJ, yeah, it is a situation there a lil different because you are talking Texas with three 4 star players and a 5 star already in that front court that have yet to play their first NCAA game. If we are talking Stokes and Huffman for example, very different because neither of those guys are top 150, a 5 star PJ would not look at them as being playing time road blocks but those 4 stars at Texas are going to get solid PT or at least will be expected to.

FYI tidbit, looks like Ky is fading fast for PJ, Texas as well, so I hope those saying UNLV is a non-factor are right because if they are not in this, the door may have just swung wide open for him to be a Tar Heel!!!

I think talent plays a decent factor, but you're right, after you have enough pieces at a certain position, it starts to become overcrowded. But if Allen doesn't stay for his So. season, it will def. open up some PT for Washington. And he's projected as the 13th pick.

I feel cautiously optimistic about our chances with Washington. Coleman was a good bargaining chip for Texas, but if he actually ended up at Dook or KU, they don't have a PG on their roster. That would def. help us in the long run. And PJ's dad pretty much dismissed the packaged deal talk with Petty, and you have to wonder how much involvement UK even has with PJ at this point seeing that they're probably eyeing Bamba more than anyone.

Outside of 247 analysts, I've seen no indications of UNLV being involved, and I believe our insiders said that his dad didn't talk about UNLV being in play. So things may just fall into place in our favor.

And yet we still have Kenny, 7th and BRob...

It was my understanding that Woods will play PG for the most part? I remember a bunch of people saying they'd prefer him to focus solely on being a PG, but I may be wrong.

Plus, There's no guarantee that Williams or BRob only end up contributing off the bench, similar to Nate Britt. Point is, it def. doesn't hurt to have options.

 

[DSouthr]

I think talent plays a decent factor, but you're right, after you have enough pieces at a certain position, it starts to become overcrowded. But if Allen doesn't stay for his So. season, it will def. open up some PT for Washington. And he's projected as the 13th pick.

I feel cautiously optimistic about our chances with Washington. Coleman was a good bargaining chip for Texas, but if he actually ended up at Dook or KU, they don't have a PG on their roster. That would def. help us in the long run. And PJ's dad pretty much dismissed the packaged deal talk with Petty, and you have to wonder how much involvement UK even has with PJ at this point seeing that they're probably eyeing Bamba more than anyone.

Outside of 247 analysts, I've seen no indications of UNLV being involved, and I believe our insiders said that his dad didn't talk about UNLV being in play. So things may just fall into place in our favor.



It was my understanding that Woods will play PG for the most part? I remember a bunch of people saying they'd prefer him to focus solely on being a PG, but I may be wrong.

Plus, There's no guarantee that Williams or BRob only end up contributing off the bench, similar to Nate Britt. Point is, it def. doesn't hurt to have options.

First, looks like Petty is likely going to end up at Alabama, so yeah that package deals wil not happen if it ever was serious, which I doubt it ever was more than a passing notion between friends.

Next, Kalipari wants Ayton and Bamba but there is concern with Ayton's eligibility, seems there is a cloud over his school records as well as the school itself? Bamba is a bit of a wild card, he is really really hard to get a read on.

Let me toss this out to ya, what if Kalipari puts on a big push for Gary Trent, could that re-new Carter and Ky flirting? The one constant from BOTH Trent and Carter is they will play for the same program in college, it has never been presented as a maybe, it has always been presented as fact. Would they split or will they stick to their guns because at this point I don't think Trent plays for duke.

Finally, Woods playing PG for us, that is what he wants to do, jury is out on if he will be able to. But 3 strong factors effect that, first is Joel Berry. Does Joel play for us as a senior or enter the draft, IMO he plays for us as a senior but that could change and none of us can make that call till after next season, even Joel himself. Next, Jalek, knows his NBA position is at the point, he is coming in looking to be our PG after Joel leaves and I think most would cede that Jalek would be the more likely to have success as our point but I can easy see he and 7th playing a 2 PG look like we have seen for the last 4 years. Finally, we now have White committed from 2018 and he is seen as the PG after Jalek. PG looks like a spot 7th could pick up a few back up minutes next season but hard to see him getting a lot of true exclusive PG time but more as a duo PG more slide to the off guard spot more than the point. Just IMO...

 

[Bur-Heel]

I doubt seriously that this is the case.

I don't!!

 

[Bur-Heel]

It appears Ky is holding off (slow playing) a top 30 4/5 and looking to grab Bamba and Ayton and that guy they are slow playing is not PJ, meaning PJ is about 4th or 5th in their pecking order. PJs camp did not initially realize they were being played as 4th or 5th, they thought they were more of a priority than that. While that does not officially knock them out, any more than Sims to Texas took them out, it kinda does effectively take both schools out.

 

[DSouthr]

I think talent plays a decent factor, but you're right, after you have enough pieces at a certain position, it starts to become overcrowded. But if Allen doesn't stay for his So. season, it will def. open up some PT for Washington. And he's projected as the 13th pick.

I feel cautiously optimistic about our chances with Washington. Coleman was a good bargaining chip for Texas, but if he actually ended up at Dook or KU, they don't have a PG on their roster. That would def. help us in the long run. And PJ's dad pretty much dismissed the packaged deal talk with Petty, and you have to wonder how much involvement UK even has with PJ at this point seeing that they're probably eyeing Bamba more than anyone.

Outside of 247 analysts, I've seen no indications of UNLV being involved, and I believe our insiders said that his dad didn't talk about UNLV being in play. So things may just fall into place in our favor.



It was my understanding that Woods will play PG for the most part? I remember a bunch of people saying they'd prefer him to focus solely on being a PG, but I may be wrong.

Plus, There's no guarantee that Williams or BRob only end up contributing off the bench, similar to Nate Britt. Point is, it def. doesn't hurt to have options.

Well, as I have said, I see kenny as our starting 2 this coming season at some point (not likely game one but could be) and I think it is going to hard to take him out as a starter once he gets his confidence. I do think Justin is gone after this season opening the door for Theo to start and I think by necessity that moves BRob over to the wing to back Theo up. When Theo is done that opens the door for Zion or Hamilton to go head to head with BRob for that starter spot at the wing.

 

[Bur-Heel]

they're headed his way!!..https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiti...c-state-coming-to-see-pj-washington/199836258

 

[DSouthr]

NC St is not a concern, Arizona could be a problem, I don't really see Kansas as a player.

 

[Calabrias Inferno]

The one constant from BOTH Trent and Carter is they will play for the same program in college, it has never been presented as a maybe, it has always been presented as fact. Would they split or will they stick to their guns because at this point I don't think Trent plays for duke.

I think we'd all be in favor of Trent/Carter going elsewhere, but I just don't see it. From a couple of your posts it sounds like you think Dook has a logjam in the backcourt. Not sure I see it that way. Projected starters: Jackson, Trent, Kennard. Bench: point guard (Green or Coleman?), O'Connell

If Jackson bolts, well, there's that much more playing time. I don't think Knox will factor into it, because there's a good chance he'd be a 4 at Dook. But more importantly, Knox plans to commit in the spring while Trent plans to commit in the fall. Basically he just has to beat out O'Connell for a starting job. But if you have sources or knowledge about Trent leaning another direction, I would certainly welcome the info.

 

[Ned Cota]

All of a sudden I feel like we have a much better shot at ending up with a final class of:

1. Jalek Felton 5*
2. Andrew Platek 3*
3. Kevin Knox 5*
4. PJ Washington 5*
5. Brandon Huffman 3*

My starting 5 for 2017 would be:
1. Berry...............Felton, Woods
2. Pinson............Williams, Platek
3. Knox...............Robinson
4. Washington....Maye
5. Bradley...........Huffman

How sweet would that be?!

 

[dadika13]

All of a sudden I feel like we have a much better shot at ending up with a final class of:

1. Jalek Felton 5*
2. Andrew Platek 3*
3. Kevin Knox 5*
4. PJ Washington 5*
5. Brandon Huffman 3*

My starting 5 for 2017 would be:
1. Berry...............Felton, Woods
2. Pinson............Williams, Platek
3. Knox...............Robinson
4. Washington....Maye
5. Bradley...........Huffman

How sweet would that be?!

Getting both Knox and PJ is not likely. I'd love it, but I think we should hope for 1 of those 2.

 

[pinecreek]

1. Jalek Felton 5*
2. Andrew Platek 3*
3. Kevin Knox 5*
4. PJ Washington 5*
5. Brandon Huffman 3*

My starting 5 for 2017 would be:
1. Berry...............Felton, Woods
2. Pinson............Williams, Platek
3. Knox...............Robinson
4. Washington....Maye
5. Bradley...........Huffman

The only thing I see wrong with this is Felton is currently ranked a 4*. Knox is 100% on Crystal Ball to Duke, who hasn't missed much lately. Washington only has a UNC insider on his Crystal Ball, but is showing a 3 horse race. Will Berry stay and JJ?
Could be;
1. Felton........Woods
2. Pinson........Platek, Williams
3. Robinson.......?
4. Maye..........Stokes
5. Huffman

 

[Bur-Heel]

All of a sudden I feel like we have a much better shot at ending up with a final class of:

1. Jalek Felton 5*
2. Andrew Platek 3*
3. Kevin Knox 5*
4. PJ Washington 5*
5. Brandon Huffman 3*

My starting 5 for 2017 would be:
1. Berry...............Felton, Woods
2. Pinson............Williams, Platek
3. Knox...............Robinson
4. Washington....Maye
5. Bradley...........Huffman

How sweet would that be?!

Diabetic sweet!!

 

[Bur-Heel]

1. Jalek Felton 5*
2. Andrew Platek 3*
3. Kevin Knox 5*
4. PJ Washington 5*
5. Brandon Huffman 3*

My starting 5 for 2017 would be:
1. Berry...............Felton, Woods
2. Pinson............Williams, Platek
3. Knox...............Robinson
4. Washington....Maye
5. Bradley...........Huffman

The only thing I see wrong with this is Felton is currently ranked a 4*. Knox is 100% on Crystal Ball to Duke, who hasn't missed much lately. Washington only has a UNC insider on his Crystal Ball, but is showing a 3 horse race. Will Berry stay and JJ?
Could be;
1. Felton........Woods
2. Pinson........Platek, Williams
3. Robinson.......?
4. Maye..........Stokes
5. Huffman

There's alot of things wrong with yours..Felton is now a 5*(if that even matters) on the updated rankings..and where's Bradley?

 

[Bur-Heel]

Getting both Knox and PJ is not likely. I'd love it, but I think we should hope for 1 of those 2.

Why not?

 

[Bur-Heel]

NC St is not a concern, Arizona could be a problem, I don't really see Kansas as a player.

What's funny is the article listed state as a college powerhouse!!

 

[DSouthr]

I think we'd all be in favor of Trent/Carter going elsewhere, but I just don't see it. From a couple of your posts it sounds like you think Dook has a logjam in the backcourt. Not sure I see it that way. Projected starters: Jackson, Trent, Kennard. Bench: point guard (Green or Coleman?), O'Connell

If Jackson bolts, well, there's that much more playing time. I don't think Knox will factor into it, because there's a good chance he'd be a 4 at Dook. But more importantly, Knox plans to commit in the spring while Trent plans to commit in the fall. Basically he just has to beat out O'Connell for a starting job. But if you have sources or knowledge about Trent leaning another direction, I would certainly welcome the info.

First, I think Knox ends up at duke, but that does create a log jam for Trent at the 2 when you consider Jackson/Kennard/O'Conell are all 2 guards and duke is looking to add a PG from 2017. If you add Knox at the wing then all the sudden you have 3 guys already competing for 2 guard time and what if Allen does not wow this season and has to come back? Even if Jackson goes one & done you still have Kennard/Occonnell. Could they move kennard to the 3, maybe but that isn't where he needs to be, 2 very respected talents at the 2 is a problem for a 5 star looking to start and show the NBA he is ready to play now.

If duke recruits Knox as a 4, then he will play elsewhere, the kid is solid that he is a wing and wing only. Sure, he could back up the 4 at times but he is not taking a starting 4 spot and by the way, Carter at duke would be their starting 4 with Bolton at the 5.

 

[DSouthr]

What's funny is the article listed state as a college powerhouse!!

In BASS FISHIN MAYBE! LOL

 

[HeelFan58]

For Randolph and Trent, it is kinda the same argument really, neither Platek nor OConnell are expected to start at least until they are Jrs and who knows then. I think we can all agree that Randolph and Trent are more talented as 2 guards or at very least expected to be by the gurus. It is not a matter of talent at this point as much as it is a question of head count and numbers of scholarships either program can spend on that one position. And frankly, it has to be a consideration for Randolph and Trent when you have so many scholarship guys on roster at your position, that is a problem for BOTH.

You mention Sims and PJ, yeah, it is a situation there a lil different because you are talking Texas with three 4 star players and a 5 star already in that front court that have yet to play their first NCAA game. If we are talking Stokes and Huffman for example, very different because neither of those guys are top 150, a 5 star PJ would not look at them as being playing time road blocks but those 4 stars at Texas are going to get solid PT or at least will be expected to.

FYI tidbit, looks like Ky is fading fast for PJ, Texas as well, so I hope those saying UNLV is a non-factor are right because if they are not in this, the door may have just swung wide open for him to be a Tar Heel!!!

Do you think Chase Jeter came to dook expecting playing time?

 

[Sk1310]

Dont see knox at Duke. Sounds like his dad is talking like he wants to be the main attraction.

 

[Bur-Heel]

Do you think Chase Jeter came to dook expecting playing time?

Funny..but interesting!!