Where are the women and children "refugees"???

[keysersosay#1]

This is by NO means an isolated incident. Most of those poor downtrodden homeless "refugees" that are INVADING Europe are not little kids with their mommies. They are just like this crowd , young MEN in the 20-35 age group that are infiltrating European countries at a very rapid pace. The caliphate is happening right before our eyes and the Euros cannot stop it or are afraid to


Obummer wants 100k of these "refugees" to come to the US....... gee I wonder why???

 

[heelmanwilm]

U think obama wants an islamic state in the us?

 

[uncboy10]

Gonna be hard to bring on the caliphate without women to procreate with.

 

[nctransplant]

Gonna be hard to bring on the caliphate without women to procreate with.

You don't think they are above rape? Look what they are doing where they came from.

 

[uncboy10]

You don't think they are above rape? Look what they are doing where they came from.

Who are "they?" 20-35 year old Muslim men? Or the <1% of those 20-35 year old men who happen to be jihadists?

 

[nctransplant]

Who are "they?" 20-35 year old Muslim men? Or the <1% of those 20-35 year old men who happen to be jihadists?

If 25,000 flee and 1% are jihadist that's 250 more than I want!

 

[uncboy10]

If 25,000 flee and 1% are jihadist that's 250 more than I want!

My point is that you are making assumptions about the entire group based on a tiny minority.

I will agree that anyone attempting to bring on the caliphate should be crushed in every sense of the word.

 

[keysersosay#1]

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/21/f...et-all-syrian-refugees-for-terror-ties-video/

I stand corrected ...it is 10k refuges at THIS point that will enter. Of course as this article points out there is NO WAY to vet them and determine just who might be a terrorist.

 

[heelmanwilm]

I agree that its a security nightmare. Hard to imagine tjeres not some present and future jihadists in there. But to imply that obama is intentionally letting them in to promote a caliphate? I mean come on now.​

 

[UNC71-00]

My point is that you are making assumptions about the entire group based on a tiny minority.

I will agree that anyone attempting to bring on the caliphate should be crushed in every sense of the word.

What assumptions did he make?

 

[uncboy10]

What assumptions did he make?

That these Muslim men are not above rape. In addition to the original assumption that a group of Muslim men whom are fleeing a war ridden hell of a geopolitical region, must in fact be radical jihadist attempting to bring on the caliphate.

And then of course there is the absolutely moronic implicit comment about President Obama wanting to assist them in bringing said caliphate to the United States.

 

[UNC71-00]

That these Muslim men are not above rape. In addition to the original assumption that a group of Muslim men whom are fleeing a war ridden hell of a geopolitical region, must in fact be radical jihadist attempting to bring on the caliphate.

Well, we know that ISIS is most certainly not above rape. Thats not an assumption.

And Transplant said even if 1% of 25k (or 250) were jihadists (which, in Syria these days, means ISIS), thats too many. And he is right.

As far as Key's less than subtle allegation that Obama is a muslim, Heelman already took care of that and no one elae was claiming the same.

Its like you walk around looking for reasons to get your panties in a bunch.

 

[uncboy10]

I dont have my "panties in a bunch" its just common sense. These aren't members of ISIS. Their just Muslim men. That doesn't automatically make them terrorists.

 

[UNC71-00]

I dont have my "panties in a bunch" its just common sense. These aren't members of ISIS. Their just Muslim men. That doesn't automatically make them terrorists.

So you don't think ISIS or Al Q is trying to send some terrorists over by mixing them in with the other refugees?

 

[nctransplant]

So you don't think ISIS or Al Q is trying to send some terrorists over by mixing them in with the other refugees?

I'll bet my next paycheck ISIS and Al Q are sending in some of their own with these refugees.

 

[DeanFor President]

That these Muslim men are not above rape. In addition to the original assumption that a group of Muslim men whom are fleeing a war ridden hell of a geopolitical region, must in fact be radical jihadist attempting to bring on the caliphate.

And then of course there is the absolutely moronic implicit comment about President Obama wanting to assist them in bringing said caliphate to the United States.

I would suggest reading about the rampant rape problems in Sweden, Germany, and the other nations that have the misfortune of receiving the influx. All perpetrated by these wonderful Muslim migrants that you so adore. You would have to be purposely holding your eyes and ears shut to be as ill-informed as you seem to be

 

[uncboy10]

So you don't think ISIS or Al Q is trying to send some terrorists over by mixing them in with the other refugees?

I'm sure they are. But that still doesn't mean that not accepting any refugees is the answer. I'm not saying we should welcome them with open arms and ask them to babysit. If refugee camps are what it takes then fine, just give the innocent people the opportunity to escape the region. And explain to them that if they don't actively assist in helping separate the jihadists from the moderates then they may as well be considered on the other team.

I'll bet my next paycheck ISIS and Al Q are sending in some of their own with these refugees.

There is a rational discussion to be had about how to prevent those people from getting in. I fully appreciate that is a problem. But the tone of the OP clearly implied that these men were all immigrating to Europe to bring on the caliphate. Personally, I find that to be ridiculous.

I would suggest reading about the rampant rape problems in Sweden, Germany, and the other nations that have the misfortune of receiving the influx. All perpetrated by these wonderful Muslim migrants that you so adore. You would have to be purposely holding your eyes and ears shut to be as ill-informed as you seem to be

I never said that wasn't a problem. I never said that these immigrants were all wonderful people. I merely pointed out the subtle distinction that assuming that every immigrant Muslim wants to bring on the caliphate is ridiculous. But if you think our side is completely innocent maybe you should read the CIA reports on torture conducted by the US military. We also tortured innocent women, and tortured children in front of their mothers, as well as sexually assaulting men and women alike. And on numerous occasions we tortured our own informants by mistake. I'm not saying that were the bad guys, but its time to get off the high horse, and maybe give them less bulletin board material.

 

[UNC71-00]

I'm sure they are. But that still doesn't mean that not accepting any refugees is the answer. I'm not saying we should welcome them with open arms and ask them to babysit. If refugee camps are what it takes then fine, just give the innocent people the opportunity to escape the region. And explain to them that if they don't actively assist in helping separate the jihadists from the moderates then they may as well be considered on the other team.
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Just out of curiosity, what do you think the jihadists do with people (and their families back home) whom they think are narcs?

 

[uncboy10]

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the jihadists do with people (and their families back home) whom they think are narcs?

They torture and kill them. Which is why said jihadists all need to be killed. And why we need to reassure anyone who helps us in doing so that they will be granted asylum.

Do you really think I hate jihadists less than you or something? I hate theocrats of any stripe, believe me I have no sympathy for these pricks.

 

[UNC71-00]

They torture and kill them. Which is why said jihadists all need to be killed. And why we need to reassure anyone who helps us in doing so that they will be granted asylum.

Do you really think I hate jihadists less than you or something? I hate theocrats of any stripe, believe me I have no sympathy for these pricks.

It has nothing to do with how you and I feel about Jihadists, it has to do with keeping them out of the country.

We can't rely on the rational Muslims to out the crazies, as the crazies will torture and kill them and their families.

How do we go about preventing a mass entry when they pose as asylum seekers amongst legitimate refugees?

 

[uncboy10]

It has nothing to do with how you and I feel about Jihadists, it has to do with keeping them out of the country.

We can't rely on the rational Muslims to out the crazies, as the crazies will torture and kill them and their families.

How do we go about preventing a mass entry when they pose as asylum seekers amongst legitimate refugees?

Good question. I wish we could've started with that instead of the OP.

Here's what I really find perplexing though... Why is ISIS still around? Why are any of these jihad groups still around? Sure they're scary, and commit horrendous atrocities to their own people, but does anyone here really think ISIS fighters are any match for Marines? What about Navy SEALs? Even if they were, there's not very many of them by comparison. Never mind the disparity in intelligence capabilities... Why are they being allowed to perpetuate this horrendous situation in the M.E.? Because its profitable.

 

[UNC71-00]

Good question. I wish we could've started with that instead of the OP.

Here's what I really find perplexing though... Why is ISIS still around? Why are any of these jihad groups still around? Sure they're scary, and commit horrendous atrocities to their own people, but does anyone here really think ISIS fighters are any match for Marines? What about Navy SEALs? Even if they were, there's not very many of them by comparison. Never mind the disparity in intelligence capabilities... Why are they being allowed to perpetuate this horrendous situation in the M.E.? Because its profitable.

Ok, so let's get back to the original question. Obama's motivations notwithstanding, do we need to be letting in all these refugees when there is a significant risk that doing so will allow an inordinate number of ISIS or AQ members into the country?

As far as why does ISIS exist- it's because they have favor with a percentage of the general population and the percentage which does not favor them fears for their lives so much so that they turn a blind eye? You think ISIS is rough on infidels? They are much worse on believers who take a stand against them.

As to how does ISIS get money and arms? Good question, but there is enough money in the Middle East to finance any guerrilla group. Who wins when ISIS wins? Best I can tell, only the Sunni militants and their allies. I'm not sure who is actually profiting here, but they aren't using enough expensive munitions to get a company much larger than a Myrtle Beach fireworks store excited.

 

[uncboy10]

Ok, so let's get back to the original question. Obama's motivations notwithstanding, do we need to be letting in all these refugees when there is a significant risk that doing so will allow an inordinate number of ISIS or AQ members into the country?

As far as why does ISIS exist- it's because they have favor with a percentage of the general population and the percentage which does not favor them fears for their lives so much so that they turn a blind eye? You think ISIS is rough on infidels? They are much worse on believers who take a stand against them.

As to how does ISIS get money and arms? Good question, but there is enough money in the Middle East to finance any guerrilla group. Who wins when ISIS wins? Best I can tell, only the Sunni militants and their allies. I'm not sure who is actually profiting here, but they aren't using enough expensive munitions to get a company much larger than a Myrtle Beach fireworks store excited.

The perception of fear keeps money flowing into the DoD budget.

 

[UNC71-00]

The perception of fear keeps money flowing into the DoD budget.

So if there is only fear and no actual threat then why are all these refugees running from Syria? Are they part of a DoD master plan?

Threats and actions against Americans and our allies are real, tangible and dangerous. That is why the DoD exists.

If you want to talk about perception of fear causing money to flow into government departments, then let's discuss the Dept of Education, Health and Human Services, Dept of Energy, Dept of Labor, and HUD. Or we can go with your personal favorite, Climate Change. If that isn't the definition of perception of fear, then I don't know what is.

 

[uncboy10]

So if there is only fear and no actual threat then why are all these refugees running from Syria? Are they part of a DoD master plan?

No, I'm not suggesting that there isn't an actual threat. I'm saying that by not completely squashing the bug, you keep the threat around, albeit in a manageable form, so that the perception of fear remains. IMO ISIS would be crushed in about a week if we threw serious resources at taking them out. But that shouldn't be our responsibility. The Saudi's could do it, Israel could too. But that's not going to happen as long as we keep playing big brother and fighting everyone's battles for them.

Stable regimes also tend to be less generous when negotiating oil prices. We already know about our history in Iran regarding what we'll do for cheap or even free oil, its not like its some tin foil hat conspiracy.

 

[UNC71-00]

No, I'm not suggesting that there isn't an actual threat. I'm saying that by not completely squashing the bug, you keep the threat around, albeit in a manageable form, so that the perception of fear remains. IMO ISIS would be crushed in about a week if we threw serious resources at taking them out. But that shouldn't be our responsibility. The Saudi's could do it, Israel could too. But that's not going to happen as long as we keep playing big brother and fighting everyone's battles for them.

Stable regimes also tend to be less generous when negotiating oil prices. We already know about our history in Iran regarding what we'll do for cheap or even free oil, its not like its some tin foil hat conspiracy.

I edited my previous.

But to your response, have you ever tried to kill all the sugar ants? Can't do it without going nuclear and killing all of the ones outside the house too that weren't causing any issues. Are you suggesting we carpet bomb Syria? And ISIS will never be crushed as long as there are radicals who believe in the militant parts of the Koran.

Saudi Arabia is pretty stable and has been for a while, yet they are the driving force behind the recent deep drop in oil prices, so I am not sure I follow you here.