Who Do You Expect to Return?

[DSouthr]

That certainly seemed true to start the season, but is definitely not true now for 3-pt shooting. He's now down to 28.4% - after being closer to 50% early on.

Some may be thinking "that's because of his injury" - but that's not true. Over the 5 games before the injury, he went 3-16 from deep - under 19%.

What we've seen is that Seth can be a good outside shooter. He showed that last year, too, but was timid about it. Early this year, he continued shooting well and seemed much more confident. Watching him last game, he went 2-5 and looked confident to my eye.

To those who wonder, his 2-pt shooting has improved slightly from last year (from 48.5% to 50.6%) and his FT shooting took a big jump (from 66.7% to 82.3%).

Which is to day that I agree that Seth may be "that guy," but he needs to get consistent.

I will not argue that Seth is a solid 3pt marksman, he isn't and I have doubts he ever will be on volume shooting. But when ya give me a number like the 3-16, heck that looks like a typical Caleb Love night! LOL Our considered best 3pt shooter this season was shooting what, around 23% for most of this season from trey? What Seth is not going to do is sit outside and pump up a volume of clang bricks from trey, how many games this season has Seth even attempted 5 treys (I don't know)? It isn't that I don't need him taking and hitting treys, it is more that I don't want him or Cadeau taking a lot of treys. Now I will grant, Seth's over all shooting did dip while he was dealing with that concussion.

Consider this, who has shown you they are the better scorer, I didn't say shooter, I said scorer, Seth this season or Kenny Williams for his whole UNC career, yet we found a way to win with Kenny didn't we? Just can't single focus on the three point shooting aspect of a player, there is so much more to what we need from a kid. That is my biggest grip about RJ, it seems to most everyone he is a great player because he hits hard jump shots, it was the very same with Caleb Love yet they were most often minus defenders. Seth is the best back court defender we have, one of if not the best back court defenders in the country but add that to his now double digit scoring and we have a guy I have no problem starting beside Cadeau or who ever our PG may be. I love Seth's shot selection, I wish all our guards made good shot selection decisions as consistently as Seth does.

 

[DSouthr]

I've been assuming that if Lubin could be good at PF, we would have seen him there a reasonable amount.

He did a little 3-pt shooting at Vandy, but not much and with indifferent results. He hasn't take a trey for us this year.

So . . . is he really PF material? Or is he really an undersized center?

You and I and some others here have wanted to see Jalen play more at the 4. Partly because we thought he was a good outside shooter. He tanked from deep early on this season, but is 3-5 over the last 9 games. And that's the problem with Jalen's 3-pt shooting: small samples.

We have not seen Lubin at the 4 because we simply had to have more physicality than we were getting from Jalen deep in the paint. Actually, Lubin did hit 1 trey for us early on, may have been a pre-season game but I do recall one. What Lubin did wel as a 5 for Vandy was he showed a nice little mid range game that we have not seen much of at UNC. What we have seen all season is that with this roster we can not handle those big centers, they are playing over the top of Lubin, kid is trying hard but he can't help his height. Yes, absolutely, if I saw Lubin camped outside looking for a trey and I am the opposing coach I don't guard him, take all you want, just as I would Cadeau or Seth and frankly JWit would have to keep proving to me he can consistently hit them, as would Drake.

All I am saying is that if it comes to it that starting Seth and Cadeau as my back court does not scare me nearly as much as it seems to others. That and the fact I like that Dixon kid a LOT! But absolutely, if McNeely or a McNeely like guy hits the portal, I hope we do get involved, just feel it is a lesser priority than a PG and a big physical center. I absolutely do want to see JWash work his butt off rebuilding his confidence as a shooter because he very clearly to me has the ability, he needs the mindset to take the freakin shot when it is there.

 

[DSouthr]

I've been assuming that if Lubin could be good at PF, we would have seen him there a reasonable amount.

He did a little 3-pt shooting at Vandy, but not much and with indifferent results. He hasn't take a trey for us this year.

So . . . is he really PF material? Or is he really an undersized center?

You and I and some others here have wanted to see Jalen play more at the 4. Partly because we thought he was a good outside shooter. He tanked from deep early on this season, but is 3-5 over the last 9 games. And that's the problem with Jalen's 3-pt shooting: small samples.

I think very clearly that Jalen is the stretch 4 we have been looking for since Manek but for some crazy reason this season he has become hesitant to shoot it, far more hesitant to shoot it than last season, blows my mind? Lubin is a old school 4, back before power forwards felt the need to be shooting guards. He has a nice mid range game and a real blue collar mindset, I like him as a player he isn't the best fit at the 4 or 5 for today's game.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I will not argue that Seth is a solid 3pt marksman, he isn't and I have doubts he ever will be on volume shooting. But when ya give me a number like the 3-16, heck that looks like a typical Caleb Love night! LOL Our considered best 3pt shooter this season was shooting what, around 23% for most of this season from trey? What Seth is not going to do is sit outside and pump up a volume of clang bricks from trey, how many games this season has Seth even attempted 5 treys (I don't know)? It isn't that I don't need him taking and hitting treys, it is more that I don't want him or Cadeau taking a lot of treys. Now I will grant, Seth's over all shooting did dip while he was dealing with that concussion.

Consider this, who has shown you they are the better scorer, I didn't say shooter, I said scorer, Seth this season or Kenny Williams for his whole UNC career, yet we found a way to win with Kenny didn't we? Just can't single focus on the three point shooting aspect of a player, there is so much more to what we need from a kid. That is my biggest grip about RJ, it seems to most everyone he is a great player because he hits hard jump shots, it was the very same with Caleb Love yet they were most often minus defenders. Seth is the best back court defender we have, one of if not the best back court defenders in the country but add that to his now double digit scoring and we have a guy I have no problem starting beside Cadeau or who ever our PG may be. I love Seth's shot selection, I wish all our guards made good shot selection decisions as consistently as Seth does.

I like the Seth-Kenny comparison. Not the same, but some definite parallels.

Seth does have some advantages over mere mortals. How many players can cover half the court in a single euro-step and then hang in the air for 5 seconds?

 

[DSouthr]

Let's hope so.

How many wins did it cost us for Hubert to catch on? We'll never know, of course, but not zero.

To freakin many!

 

[DSouthr]

I like the Seth-Kenny comparison. Not the same, but some definite parallels.

Seth does have some advantages over mere mortals. How many players can cover half the court in a single euro-step and then hang in the air for 5 seconds?

Yeah, when that capsule finally made it's way from Krypton to Mr Kent's farm, good thing he had a basketball goal nailed to his barn! LOL That is a crazy gene pool to produce both Seth and JP!

 

[DaveChapelle]

I think very clearly that Jalen is the stretch 4 we have been looking for since Manek but for some crazy reason this season he has become hesitant to shoot it, far more hesitant to shoot it than last season, blows my mind?

Washington is not a 4 because he can't defend the position. He can't defend the perimeter, he can't chase players around screens, he can't stay in front of a man dribble driving... he can not defend the modern stretch 4.

Being able to shoot doesn't make you a stretch 4. The only position Washington can defend is the 5. That means Washington is a 5. Call him a stretch 5 if you like (the NBA is full of stretch 5s.)

This idea that Washington is a 4 was long ago disproven. He can't defend the position, and for most of his career he hasn't even shown he has the offensive skills to play the position. Heck he's shot in the 60's% from the FT line every season at UNC (good perimeter shooters are rarely bad FT shooters.) So he's a guy with a low career 3pt %, a low career FT %, and he's incapable taking his man off the dribble or doing really any of the other offensive things a stretch 4 does.

 

[alabamaheel]

She's a lovely lady, she is a huge supporter of every player on the roster, and she hasn't made a social media post in nearly a month.

So no, she isn't "drama for sure."

I can read and comprehend. No one changes by not posting or tweeting for a month.
By the way, what you said and I said can both be true at the same time

 

[DaveChapelle]

I can read and comprehend. No one changes by not posting or tweeting for a month.
By the way, what you said and I said can both be true at the same time

Please stop trashing the families of players. If you want to form incorrect opinions based on nothing more than tweets, that's fine. But there's no need for you or anyone else to publicly attack the families of players based on those incorrect opinions.

She's a wonderful lady and the whole team loves her. That's a fact.

 

[alabamaheel]

Please stop trashing the families of players. If you want to form incorrect opinions based on nothing more than tweets, that's fine. But there's no need for you or anyone else to publicly attack the families of players based on those incorrect opinions.

She's a wonderful lady and the whole team loves her. That's a fact.

Easy trigger no trashing here. You literally trash every big guy we have to a point that it’s nauseating. Pot meet kettle. Please read it’s not hard. I’ve given you a pass while almost everyone on this board has labeled you what seems to be correctly. Smh. Karen much? I’ll answer for you. Yes
Now to the subject. You can be a nice person and care for folks and still be drama.

 

[DaveChapelle]

Easy trigger no trashing here. You literally trash every big guy we have to a point that it’s nauseating. Pot meet kettle. Please read it’s not hard. I’ve given you a pass while almost everyone on this board has labeled you what seems to be correctly. Smh. Karen much? I’ll answer for you. Yes
Now to the subject. You can be a nice person and care for folks and still be drama.

I discuss the basketball skills of the big men based on their play on the court. The mistakes they make, their defensive inadequacies, the negative impact they are having during a game. All observable, quantifiable, and limited to what happens on the court.

You trash a family member of a player based on stuff you've made up in your head, that is in no way based on reality or facts.

Shame on you.

 

[alabamaheel]

I discuss the basketball skills of the big men based on their play on the court. The mistakes they make, their defensive inadequacies, the negative impact they are having during a game. All observable, quantifiable, and limited to what happens on the court.

You trash a family member of a player based on stuff you've made up in your head, that is in no way based on reality or facts.

Shame on you.

You are the epitome of a bad joke. Like a
Dang two year old kid kicking and screaming for not getting their way. Please get some reading comprehension for the love of all mankind. Feelings all about feelings, which tells me a lot about you and what you’re worried about.

 

[thompsjj]

I am on another board as well as this one and the moderators actually have the good sense to delete a posts that are personally unkind or unfounded gossip about the players or the coach by the poster. I wish the moderators of this board did the same. Gossiping about a players supposed feminine traits, relationship with his parents and his mother fall into this category. Your post about Elliot in this thread Dsouther are beyond ridiculous.