Who's Our Competition for Recruits?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Obviously I'm more worried if Duke or Kentucky are going after the guys we want than if Hofstra is our competition. But before we can worry about that, Duke or Kentucky have to offer the same players we are going after.

So I thought I would take a glance at our 7 outstanding offers in the 2017 class. Just to see if the same schools are offering the same guys we want, or if it is more hit or miss.

I'm too lazy to list all the schools offering all these guys, so I have subjectively looked for the bigger names and/or ACC names. Here's a partial list of some of the schools who have offered "our" guys, with a count of how many of our targets (offers) they have also offered. I've probably made the occasional error, but this gives an idea of who we are competing with.

5 Kansas (in other words, KU has offered 5 of the 7 guys we have offers to)
5 Arizona

4 Kentucky
4 Indiana
4 Maryland
4 FSU
4 Alabama

3 Duke
3 Louisville
3 Miami
3 NC State
3 Xavier
3 LSU
3 UConn

2 Virginia
2 Ohio State
2 Syracuse
2 Texas
2 MSU

 

[dadika13]

Good stuff...

Leaders for each thought to be:

Bamba - UK
Knox - Duke or UNC or even, depends who you talk to
Carter - Duke heavy lean
Weatherspoon - MS St
Randolph - UNC
Wilkes - UNC or IU
PJ Washington - Texas/UK

 

[Archer2]

I think we're competing with all those schools for recruits. The caveat being that with schools that have eagerly embraced the OAD approach, dook and UK for instance, we're really not much competition for top 15 recruits. We may offer those recruits but our chances of landing them are very slim. We know this, as does our staff. But they can't afford not to offer, lest we miss on the odd OAD that doesn't automatically sign with a OADU. If we stop recruiting them just as a matter of course, our recruiting cachet is further diminished.

So while I don't expect us to stop offering them, I expect very, very few of them to matriculate to UNC.

 

[Archer2]

At least two. Spin it all you want, dook has joined UK as a OADU. Embrace it like the LOM has.

 

[claytondevil]

At least two. Spin it all you want, dook has joined UK as a OADU. Embrace it like the LOM has.

Absolutely. Every school has embraced it. The ones who don't get those recruits sure do have creative excuses as to why not.

 

[gary-7]

Good stuff...

Leaders for each thought to be:

Bamba - UK
Knox - Duke or UNC or even, depends who you talk to
Carter - Duke heavy lean
Weatherspoon - MS St
Randolph - UNC
Wilkes - UNC or IU
PJ Washington - Texas/UK

I am not buying that last one...

 

[Archer2]

Absolutely. Every school has embraced it. The ones who don't get those recruits sure do have creative excuses as to why not.

No, every school hasn't embraced it. There is a reason the vast majority of OAD's are going to 4 or 5 teams and that UK and dook are consistently getting more than anyone else. Don't be ashamed of it, embrace it like your coach has. When UNC has back to back OAD's, get back to me. We've had a grand total of two and one didn't even start. dook has had 7, including 5 since 2011 alone. And they're expected to have at least 2 more this year. Even dookies should be able to discern the difference.

 

[claytondevil]

No, every school hasn't embraced it. There is a reason the vast majority of OAD's are going to 4 or 5 teams and that UK and dook are consistently getting more than anyone else. Don't be ashamed of it, embrace it like your coach has.

You must have missed my absolutely response. I love it. I have embraced it. So tell me something. All the offers that UNC has out to the one and dones. What is Roy saying to them? Why aren't they coming to UNC? He has offered multiple one and dones over the last 5 years but hasn't landed any of them. And please don't respond the scandal? Every one of those kids knew where UNC stood at the time and knew they could have played their one year and the post season at UNC.

And lastly, how many one and dones have left Duke after one year beside Ok, Justice, Tyus and Brandon.

 

[gary-7]

No, every school hasn't embraced it. There is a reason the vast majority of OAD's are going to 4 or 5 teams and that UK and dook are consistently getting more than anyone else. Don't be ashamed of it, embrace it like your coach has. When UNC has back to back OAD's, get back to me. We've had a grand total of two and one didn't even start. dook has had 7, including 5 since 2011 alone. And they're expected to have at least 2 more this year. Even dookies should be able to discern the difference.

You might be giving them too much credit....

 

[claytondevil]

No, every school hasn't embraced it. There is a reason the vast majority of OAD's are going to 4 or 5 teams and that UK and dook are consistently getting more than anyone else. Don't be ashamed of it, embrace it like your coach has. When UNC has back to back OAD's, get back to me. We've had a grand total of two and one didn't even start. dook has had 7, including 5 since 2011 alone. And they're expected to have at least 2 more this year. Even dookies should be able to discern the difference.

And I love it. 3 of those 5 were in one year, so two in 6 years is a pretty good %, don't you think?

Why have none of them selected UNC? Roy is recruiting them, right?

 

[dadika13]

I am not buying that last one...

A bunch of chatter has him loving Shaka.

 

[Bur-Heel]

A bunch of chatter has him loving Shaka.

That's been the case for a while..but UK..not so much!!

 

[Bur-Heel]

And lastly, how many one and dones have left Duke after one year beside Ok, Justice, Tyus and Brandon.

Maggette..parker..deng

 

[gary-7]

A bunch of chatter has him loving Shaka.

Definitely Shaka is our main competition. Big advantage coaching him this summer (damn it). As for uk methinks that's a bunch o' blue smoke. Unless something changes I this should be a UNC/Texas race.

 

[claytondevil]

Maggette..parker..deng

1999, 2004 and 2012 or 3.

All lottery picks. Maggette didn't even start and Deng left due to his family issues.

Again, I am all for it as are the majority of the big time programs. You have to adjust or you get left behind.

Just my opinion.

 

[gary-7]

1999, 2004 and 2012 or 3.

All lottery picks. Maggette didn't even start and Deng left due to his family issues.

Again, I am all for it as are the majority of the big time programs. You have to adjust or you get left behind.

Just my opinion.

And you got a shiny new account just to post over here? There IS a dook board on Rivals, just so you know.

 

[Sk1310]

You must have missed my absolutely response. I love it. I have embraced it. So tell me something. All the offers that UNC has out to the one and dones. What is Roy saying to them? Why aren't they coming to UNC? He has offered multiple one and dones over the last 5 years but hasn't landed any of them. And please don't respond the scandal? Every one of those kids knew where UNC stood at the time and knew they could have played their one year and the post season at UNC.

And lastly, how many one and dones have left Duke after one year beside Ok, Justice, Tyus and Brandon.

Didnt Kyrie leave after a tenth of a year?

 

[Archer2]

1999, 2004 and 2012 or 3.

All lottery picks. Maggette didn't even start and Deng left due to his family issues.

Again, I am all for it as are the majority of the big time programs. You have to adjust or you get left behind.

Just my opinion.

And you're certainly entitled to it. We've discussed this many times on this board. If you really are interested in our opinions on this topic, you need only go back and read them. In a nutshell, my opinion is this. Yes, Roy recruits potential OAD's. But he isn't going to build his team around them or feature them to the extent that they want. So he knows he isn't going to sign very many of them. As I said, we've had exactly 2 OAD's in UNC history. One was a role player and the other didn't even start. That doesn't match your typical OAD's expectations. I've been saying for 4 years that our failure to sign OAD's had very little to do with the NCAA investigation and was mostly due to Roy's old fashioned approach to team building. I certainly don't expect it to change much now that the investigation is over. Clear enough?

If you like the LOM's strategy, fine. Embrace it. I prefer Roy's approach. As I said, when we have back to back OAD's, get back to me. Until that very unlikely day, we'll agree to disagree. That will save a lot of wasted talk on both of our parts.

 

[gary-7]

And you're certainly entitled to it. We've discussed this many times on this board. If you really are interested in our opinions on this topic, you need only go back and read them. I don't feel inclined to keep explaining our difference of opinions with every dookie who comes over here. If you like the LOM's strategy, fine. Embrace it. I prefer Roy's approach. As I said, when we have back to back OAD's, get back to me. Until that very unlikely day, we'll agree to disagree. That will save a lot of wasted talk on both of our parts.

Arch, you seem to have forgotten these dookies' seemingly pathological need to tell us what we need to believe and think...

 

[Archer2]

Arch, you seem to have forgotten these dookies' seemingly pathological need to tell us what we need to believe and think...

Some just can't agree to disagree.

 

[claytondevil]

Didnt Kyrie leave after a tenth of a year?

Yes. He was injured and could not play.

 

[claytondevil]

And you're certainly entitled to it. We've discussed this many times on this board. If you really are interested in our opinions on this topic, you need only go back and read them. In a nutshell, my opinion is this. Yes, Roy recruits potential OAD's. But he isn't going to build his team around them or feature them to the extent that they want. So he knows he isn't going to sign very many of them. As I said, we've had exactly 2 OAD's in UNC history. One was a role player and the other didn't even start. That doesn't match your typical OAD's expectations. I've been saying for 4 years that our failure to sign OAD's had very little to do with the NCAA investigation and was mostly die to Roy's old fashioned approach to team building. I certainly don't expect it to change much now that the investigation is over. Clear enough?

If you like the LOM's strategy, fine. Embrace it. I prefer Roy's approach. As I said, when we have back to back OAD's, get back to me. Until that very unlikely day, we'll agree to disagree. That will save a lot of wasted talk on both of our parts.

You know what is funny. I actually believe that you believe what you say make sense. That is the funny part. Roy recruits them and they go to other schools. Why is that? Roy's old fashion approach, really. You post a lot on a basketball board but really don't seem to understand the game or the strategy.

Explain to me what is so complicated about Roy's system, so darn difficult that a kid who has played 1,000's of basketball games can't comprehend. Did you hear Weatherspoon's interview the other day when he said he like UNC because they run and don't run a lot of plays

And your kids that this board build up into Top 50 NBA players before ever stepping on the court, never seem to be one and done. Why is that

You prefer Roy's approach. You mean recruiting and not getting commitments from top 10 players. That makes a lot of sense.

You take a negative and then make it a positive by saying you prefer not having good players on your team. You can't have one and dones if none commit to UNC.

Have a great evening. Sorry for the Dsouthr length post.

 

[claytondevil]

Some just can't agree to disagree.

Not at all. But thinking logically would help.

Roy recruits OAD's every year. They go to other schools. It isn't because his system is complicated or because K or other coaches promise things. If you think K promises playing time you aren't very bright.

Tell me, with all the playing time available next year for a big man why you do not have a commit yet? I thought UNC was a big man school. At least that is what you folks keep telling yourselves.

 

[Archer2]

You know what is funny. I actually believe that you believe what you say make sense. That is the funny part. Roy recruits them and they go to other schools. Why is that? Roy's old fashion approach, really. You post a lot on a basketball board but really don't seem to understand the game or the strategy.

Explain to me what is so complicated about Roy's system, so darn difficult that a kid who has played 1,000's of basketball games can't comprehend. Did you hear Weatherspoon's interview the other day when he said he like UNC because they run and don't run a lot of plays

And your kids that this board build up into Top 50 NBA players before ever stepping on the court, never seem to be one and done. Why is that

You prefer Roy's approach. You mean recruiting and not getting commitments from top 10 players. That makes a lot of sense.

You take a negative and then make it a positive by saying you prefer not having good players on your team. You can't have one and dones if none commit to UNC.

Have a great evening. Sorry for the Dsouthr length post.

Now you're intentionally being obtuse, or perhaps just argumentative. Perhaps you can cite anything I posted that even hints at "Roy's system being complicated". You can't because I didn't.

Or perhaps where I stated that I "prefer not having good players on my team"? Is it so difficult for you to believe that someone would actually prefer very good 3-4 year guys to extremely talented OAD's? Give me guys like Paige and Johnson, who I can watch grow up and develop over 3-4 years, over OAD wonders like Ingram any day. Again, and for the last time, you like the LOM's approach. Fine and dandy. I prefer Roy's. Is it so difficult to believe an opposing fan could have an opinion the doesn't dovetail exactly with your opinion?

Since you obviously didn't read a word I posted, I'm going to stop wasting my time with you.

 

[gary-7]

Now you're intentionally being obtuse, or perhaps just argumentative. Perhaps you can cite anything I posted that even hints at "Roy's system being complicated". You can't because I didn't.

Or perhaps where I stated that I "prefer not having good players on my team"? Is it so difficult for you to believe that someone would actually prefer very good 3-4 year guys to extremely talented OAD's? Give me guys like Paige and Johnson, who I can watch grow up and develop over 3-4 years, over OAD wonders like Ingram any day. Again, and for the last time, you like the LOM's approach. Fine and dandy. I prefer Roy's. Is it so difficult to believe an opposing fan could have an opinion the doesn't dovetail exactly with your opinion?

Since you obviously didn't read a word I posted, I'm going to stop wasting my time with you.

Call it like it is Arch. He's being a typical dookie troll jackass.

 

[claytondevil]

Now you're intentionally being obtuse, or perhaps just argumentative. Perhaps you can cite anything I posted that even hints at "Roy's system being complicated". You can't because I didn't.

Or perhaps where I stated that I "prefer not having good players on my team"? Is it so difficult for you to believe that someone would actually prefer very good 3-4 year guys to extremely talented OAD's? Give me guys like Paige and Johnson, who I can watch grow up and develop over 3-4 years, over OAD wonders like Ingram any day. Again, and for the last time, you like the LOM's approach. Fine and dandy. I prefer Roy's. Is it so difficult to believe an opposing fan could have an opinion the doesn't dovetail exactly with your opinion?

Since you obviously didn't read a word I posted, I'm going to stop wasting my time with you.

Not at all. I just don't believe you. You aren't getting the recruits so you are making up answers to fit what is happening.

I can't even remember the number of posts I have read on this board about your recruits and how hopefully they will be around for two years. And then they stay 3-4 and some new theory is fabricated to fit the narrative.

I just think it is funny that you all seemed to be farting rainbows and butterflies in your own eyes, while others with reason and logic know that Roy's reputation of not developing or hampering growth and development is a pretty simple conclusion.

Enjoy the rest of your night.

 

[claytondevil]

Call it like it is Arch. He's being a typical dookie troll jackass.

Gary, is that what your network is telling you.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Hey Jim! Our old "friend" Claytonthedevil paid us a visit! Sorry you missed it, he's gone.

 

[gary-7]

Gary, is that what your network is telling you.

5-4-3-2-1-and there it is.

 

[gary-7]

Hey Jim! Our old "friend" Claytonthedevil paid us a visit! Sorry you missed it, he's gone.

Busted!
Good work, Mikey. Don't think he coulda made his little troll excursion more obvious.

 

[Archer2]

Typical dookie fan. They're becoming more like NVSU fans every day.

 

[viking131]

Cant believe how this dude comes over here talking..., and the mods want do anything. Go on a Dook board and try it, and we get blocked immediately!

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Cant believe how this dude comes over here talking..., and the mods want do anything.

I beg your pardon??!! He was gone BEFORE you posted this.
He is gone, sorry we can't be here 24/7 but YOU can also report trolls too.

 

[superstar57]

OAD do not generally go to a school that already has good players at there position. Puke has an open spot at Center and SF so if you think you can be a OAD and play this position then why would you not pick them. This year UNC has one open space in there starting 5 and about 3 really solid players going for it already.

Puke is in a position that they can promise these OAD a starting spot. If a hot shot SG came this year Roy still could not realistically promise a starting spot.

 

[Ozheelfan]

I beg your pardon??!! He was gone BEFORE you posted this.
He is gone, sorry we can't be here 24/7 but YOU can also report trolls too.

Thanks Mike, in viking's defence it was getting frustrating - every couple of weeks another Dook troll pops up (maybe the same idiot every time).

The problem is, as much as I respect posters like Archer, Dave and Gary, they too easily get sucked into trying to debate these a-holes. It's patently obvious the intent is not to discuss any topic, rather come on here to stir up garbage and argue every point made!

 

[gary-7]

Thanks Mike, in viking's defence it was getting frustrating - every couple of weeks another Dook troll pops up (maybe the same idiot every time).

The problem is, as much as I respect posters like Archer, Dave and Gary, they too easily get sucked into trying to debate these a-holes. It's patently obvious the intent is not to discuss any topic, rather come on here to stir up garbage and argue every point made!

Hey, hey now... all I did was call him out and got him to reveal himself
But yeah, their intent is obvious, and my issue is with our posters who sometimes encourage and/or defend these wankers just because they disagree with one of us.

 

[dgheel57]

Cant believe how this dude comes over here talking..., and the mods want do anything. Go on a Dook board and try it, and we get blocked immediately!

Sorry,we have lives outside this board too,Mike took out the trash.

 

[Archer2]

Cant believe how this dude comes over here talking..., and the mods want do anything. Go on a Dook board and try it, and we get blocked immediately!

Trolls don't last long here, and rightfully so. You'll learn that pretty quickly. I try to give posters the benefit of the doubt until they prove they don't deserve it. If respectful, diverse opinions by opposing fans are encouraged. But if they can't agree to disagree, then they leave the mods no choice. Heck, we're harder on our own fans than those from other schools. But the mods don't let the trash build up much before they take it out. Considering that they have other lives and considering some of the nuts they have to deal with, I think they do an outstanding job!

 

[smooth as butter]

Bamba, & Knox would be great pickups for the Heels. I like Bamba game a lot.

 

[All_Heel]

Bamba, & Knox would be great pickups for the Heels. I like Bamba game a lot.

Be wary of the Ivy League and dookie connections.