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Why Everyone Should Vote for Trump

chick_bleeds_carolina_blue said:
NO......voting for either one is stupid. Neither will get my vote. I don't buy into the Left/Right crap at all. I want to vote for what is the best choice for America and Americans. They do not have an ounce of care for anything or anyone but their agenda and themselves.
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Yes, this would be awesome if it worked, but there are only 2 people that have a chance at getting 10% of the vote, never mind that there are only 2 people that have a chance at winning the election.

You and Strum can continue your "I don't understand how you vote for the lesser of two evils" spiel from now until November. It sounds great, it really does. And if there was a third candidate that even had a snowball's chance in hell, it would make sense. I agree with the notion, but the reality of it is completely flawed.

Now I realize this is a farfetched exaggeration of the situation, but say you two were part of a 1000 person club, and they were voting on what to do next. If the three options were hurt 100 people (which had 498 votes), hurt 10 people (which had 497 votes), and not hurt anyone (which had 3 votes) and you two were the last to vote - would you two really go up there and vote option 3 (not hurt anyone) and watch option 1 (hurt 100 people) win the election, when you could have saved those other 90 people? I have a really hard time with that logic.
 
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strummingram said:
I "took a stand and showed what I'm all about" by flat-out admitting that I would be EMBARRASSED to have Donald Trump as my president? Guilty as charged. I don't recall ever hiding that sentiment. I wouldn't be happy with Clinton as president, but I would be embarrassed with Trump as president.

Fortunately, I am not voting for EITHER, so my conscience is clear. I'm not a republican, so I don't have to always vote republican, and justify it by saying the democrat is worse. I'm not a democrat, so I don't have to always vote democrat, and justify it by saying the republican is worse. I'm not on any fence. I'm voting for Gary Johnson. I'm also stating clearly (and have repeatedly) that Donald Trump is an absolute joke. I'm sorry if I don't bash Hillary as much as Trump, but Hillary is like getting another Bush or Obama in office.
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To think that Trump is worse than Billary...you are crazy...and then you compare Billary to Bush.....don't know why I waste my time.....
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Yes, this would be awesome if it worked, but there are only 2 people that have a chance at getting 10% of the vote, never mind that there are only 2 people that have a chance at winning the election.

You and Strum can continue your "I don't understand how you vote for the lesser of two evils" spiel from now until November. It sounds great, it really does. And if there was a third candidate that even had a snowball's chance in hell, it would make sense. I agree with the notion, but the reality of it is completely flawed.

Now I realize this is a farfetched exaggeration of the situation, but say you two were part of a 1000 person club, and they were voting on what to do next. If the three options were hurt 100 people (which had 498 votes), hurt 10 people (which had 497 votes), and not hurt anyone (which had 3 votes) and you two were the last to vote - would you two really go up there and vote option 3 (not hurt anyone) and watch option 1 (hurt 100 people) win the election, when you could have saved those other 90 people? I have a really hard time with that logic.
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The only "flaw" is ignoring the blatant 3rd choice being there... EVERY TIME. It's really ingenious how the people in power maintain their place in the scheme of things. Even with a "democratic election", you can still rig it to allow your gravy train to remain in place. That's one of the reasons I liked Sanders' campaign. He's not even a Democrat. I'm impressed that he has a seat int he senate as an "Independent."

National elections are rigged anyway... on many levels.

 
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GACMAN said:
To think that Trump is worse than Billary...you are crazy...and then you compare Billary to Bush.....don't know why I waste my time.....
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I don't either. Apparently other peoples' opinions that run counter to yours makes them "crazy." Good luck!
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Yes, this would be awesome if it worked, but there are only 2 people that have a chance at getting 10% of the vote, never mind that there are only 2 people that have a chance at winning the election.

You and Strum can continue your "I don't understand how you vote for the lesser of two evils" spiel from now until November. It sounds great, it really does. And if there was a third candidate that even had a snowball's chance in hell, it would make sense. I agree with the notion, but the reality of it is completely flawed.

Now I realize this is a farfetched exaggeration of the situation, but say you two were part of a 1000 person club, and they were voting on what to do next. If the three options were hurt 100 people (which had 498 votes), hurt 10 people (which had 497 votes), and not hurt anyone (which had 3 votes) and you two were the last to vote - would you two really go up there and vote option 3 (not hurt anyone) and watch option 1 (hurt 100 people) win the election, when you could have saved those other 90 people? I have a really hard time with that logic.
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Are you kidding me??? I, without a doubt would vote NOT to hurt people because what you give you get and I could never, ever go against what my intuition and soul KNOWS is right. Put a gun to my head, I'll tell you to pull the trigger because I KNOW I will be fine, it's you who pulls the trigger that
Will suffer, not I. ;)
 
chick_bleeds_carolina_blue said:
Are you kidding me??? I, without a doubt would vote NOT to hurt people because what you give you get and I could never, ever go against what my intuition and soul KNOWS is right. Put a gun to my head, I'll tell you to pull the trigger because I KNOW I will be fine, it's you who pulls the trigger that
Will suffer, not I. ;)
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So if it comes down to you and @gunslingerdick you are going to tell them to kill you instead of him?

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(Disclaimer: this is an example of OOTB humor. Don't flip out.)
 
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Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Yes, this would be awesome if it worked, but there are only 2 people that have a chance at getting 10% of the vote, never mind that there are only 2 people that have a chance at winning the election.

You and Strum can continue your "I don't understand how you vote for the lesser of two evils" spiel from now until November. It sounds great, it really does. And if there was a third candidate that even had a snowball's chance in hell, it would make sense. I agree with the notion, but the reality of it is completely flawed.

Now I realize this is a farfetched exaggeration of the situation, but say you two were part of a 1000 person club, and they were voting on what to do next. If the three options were hurt 100 people (which had 498 votes), hurt 10 people (which had 497 votes), and not hurt anyone (which had 3 votes) and you two were the last to vote - would you two really go up there and vote option 3 (not hurt anyone) and watch option 1 (hurt 100 people) win the election, when you could have saved those other 90 people? I have a really hard time with that logic.
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Love the analogy, Hark.

It's like some people live in a fairy tale land where they think all we have to do is join hands and sing Kumbaya and everything will be copacetic. My paw paw told me that life was a series of choices and that sometimes you're faced with a situation where you have to make a choice but you don't like any of the choices that are available because people are going to be hurt whatever you choose. In that situation, you just have to go with the choice that benefits the most people and harms the least.

The thought of Donald as POTUS scares me, I admit it. But the thought of Hillary as POTUS terrifies me to the point of keeping me awake at night. Don't forget, this election isn't just about Donald vs Hillary or Repubs vs Dems. It is about the future of our country because this POTUS will be selecting 3-4 Supreme Court Justices who will potentially sit for 30-40 years, thereby determining the direction our country takes into the future.

If you're a Socialist and think that's the proper path for our country to take, by all means vote for Hillary and you will see it come to pass. Socialism sounds great in theory but has been an abject failure everywhere it's been tried. Forget Russia, look at Europe. With one or two exceptions, every country there is dead broke, and the ones that aren't are nearing that point. With Obama, we've already taken that path, to the tune of accumulating more national debt than all the other POTUS's put together, but it's not too late to change course. If Hillary is elected, she and her SCJ nominees will lead us so far down that path that a change of course will be nigh impossible, short of anarchy and all out revolution. Personally, I don't want to see America go down that path.

Ergo, as much as it scares me, I'll vote for Donald. Simply because the alternative scares me much more.
 
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Archer2 said:
Love the analogy, Hark.

It's like some people live in a fairy tale land where they think all we have to do is join hands and sing Kumbaya and everything will be copacetic. My paw paw told me that life was a series of choices and that sometimes you're faced with a situation where you have to make a choice but you don't like any of the choices that are available because people are going to be hurt whatever you choose. In that situation, you just have to go with the choice that benefits the most people and harms the least.

The thought of Donald as POTUS scares me, I admit it. But the thought of Hillary as POTUS terrifies me to the point of keeping me awake at night. Don't forget, this election isn't just about Donald vs Hillary or Repubs vs Dems. It is about the future of our country because this POTUS will be selecting 3-4 Supreme Court Justices who will potentially sit for 30-40 years, thereby determining the direction our country takes into the future.

If you're a Socialist and think that's the proper path for our country to take, by all means vote for Hillary and you will see it come to pass. Socialism sounds great in theory but has been an abject failure everywhere it's been tried. Forget Russia, look at Europe. With one or two exceptions, every country there is dead broke, and the ones that aren't are nearing that point. With Obama, we've already taken that path, to the tune of accumulating more national debt than all the other POTUS's put together, but it's not too late to change course. If Hillary is elected, she and her SCJ nominees will lead us so far down that path that a change of course will be nigh impossible, short of anarchy and all out revolution. Personally, I don't want to see America go down that path.

Ergo, as much as it scares me, I'll vote for Donald. Simply because the alternative scares me much more.
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I know what you're saying but see THAT is the very reason more dingalings are going to vote for Hillary's lying butt!!! That's my whole point in stating that it really is better if people would stop voting in an effort to stop someone from winning and instead look at EVERY candidate not just the two loudest barking dogs and make a better choice unless you really think Trump IS your chosen candidate because you SUPPORT HIM.
 
Trump could blow up the GOP allowing room for a real second party to emerge, since the Ds and Rs only disagree a bit on the areas and methods that the government should run folks lives.
 
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RP12 said:
Trump could blow up the GOP allowing room for a real second party to emerge, since the Ds and Rs only disagree a bit on the areas and methods that the government should run folks lives.
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I think that's gone beyond could. That's really the one aspect of his campaign that I'm encouraged by. His entire personality and presence causes me to lack respect for him. But, I'm glad that someone outside the establishment made an impact. I'm just greatly disappointed that it was someone like him. He's not a leader, or a statesman. He has no humility. I believe humility is absolutely vital for a productive administration. If you refuse to believe that you can be wrong, you're dangerous. If you refuse it AND you're the president, you're really dangerous.
 
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chick_bleeds_carolina_blue said:
I know what you're saying but see THAT is the very reason more dingalings are going to vote for Hillary's lying butt!!! That's my whole point in stating that it really is better if people would stop voting in an effort to stop someone from winning and instead look at EVERY candidate not just the two loudest barking dogs and make a better choice unless you really think Trump IS your chosen candidate because you SUPPORT HIM.
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dingalings such as you?
 
When 50 repub national security experts warn us that trump is incompetent in national security matters thats pretty damning. Hillary now has a ten point lead in all the polls. This is ovahhhhhh
 
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heelmanwilm said:
When 50 repub national security experts warn us that trump is incompetent in national security matters thats pretty damning. Hillary now has a ten point lead in all the polls. This is ovahhhhhh
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This is the first drive in the first quarter. Not even close to over
 
Yes AND the polls mean nothing. Hillary was up this much two days before losing a couple of primaries and the X factor is that many won't admit to supporting Trump and will vote for him anyway. The electoral map is a built in advantage for the left wing of the bird of poop that is the "two" party system, but we are talking about a candidate who could've lost to an 80 year old openly socialist Jew.
 
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Yes AND the polls mean nothing. Hillary was up this much two days before losing a couple of primaries and the X factor is that many won't admit to supporting Trump and will vote for him anyway. The electoral map is a built in advantage for the left wing of the bird of poop that is the "two" party system, but we are talking about a candidate who could've lost to an 80 year old openly socialist Jew.
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Would have lost had she not fixed the election.
 
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Trump has already pretty much blown up the GOP. Hopefully someone will do the same to the left soon. This idea that a vote for Trump will turn the whole establishment upside down is naive though. If so, I would vote for him in a second despite the potential terribleness he would bring to the office. You could make a much better argument that Johnson would turn things upside down. I know the qualifier is that he doesn't have a chance and Trump does but I don't really think that is true. Regardless, that is shirking principle just to excuse yourself.

All these sort of arguments for Trump (or any similar argument for anyone else) are just ways people justify their vote to themselves. I think there are few people that are not on the far right or far left who are actually voting for their candidate. Almost everyone is simply voting against someone. Just own it. He isn't going to shock the system or anything.
 
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Trump has already pretty much blown up the GOP. Hopefully someone will do the same to the left soon. This idea that a vote for Trump will turn the whole establishment upside down is naive though. If so, I would vote for him in a second despite the potential terribleness he would bring to the office. You could make a much better argument that Johnson would turn things upside down. I know the qualifier is that he doesn't have a chance and Trump does but I don't really think that is true. Regardless, that is shirking principle just to excuse yourself.

All these sort of arguments for Trump (or any similar argument for anyone else) are just ways people justify their vote to themselves. I think there are few people that are not on the far right or far left who are actually voting for their candidate. Almost everyone is simply voting against someone. Just own it. He isn't going to shock the system or anything.
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When you talk about shirking principle and Johnson.....seriously? If that guy is a libertarian, then Coach K is a rabid Carolina fan following the Dean Smith way. There is no "principle" there.
 
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It's hysterical watching people accuse Hillary of being a socialist when she is obviously in the pockets of the world's most powerful capitalists. Some of you seriously need mental help.
 
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It's hysterical watching people accuse Hillary of being a socialist when she is obviously in the pockets of the world's most powerful capitalists. Some of you seriously need mental help.
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At this point Hillary has been bought and paid for so many times over that she has no political identity.
 
heelmanwilm said:
When 50 repub national security experts warn us that trump is incompetent in national security matters thats pretty damning. Hillary now has a ten point lead in all the polls. This is ovahhhhhh
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except for the fact that most every day Republicans have no faith in the party leadership. Hillary has already proven she is incompetent in national security matters. (see Benghazi , Egypt and the email scandal).
 
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I really want it to at least be close. A little election night excitement is the least we could get for having to endure this crap. But with the conventions done and vp's picked theres really no way aside from hillary committing a huge gaffe that trump makes up ten points.
 
uncboy10 said:
It's hysterical watching people accuse Hillary of being a socialist when she is obviously in the pockets of the world's most powerful capitalists. Some of you seriously need mental help.
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Not sure who said she was but Fascist fits.
 
UNC71-00 said:
At this point Hillary has been bought and paid for so many times over that she has no political identity.
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She's a corporatist. Which is why its laughable to see her get called a socialist.
 
RP12 said:
Not sure who said she was but Fascist fits.
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That would be infinitely more plausible. She's definitely closer to being an authoritarian right wing dictator than she is a socialist.
 
uncboy10 said:
That would be infinitely more plausible. She's definitely closer to being an authoritarian right wing dictator than she is a socialist.
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It's interesting to me how all of these people who are terrified of Hillary Clinton seem to base it on some radical shift she's going to bring about. She's not bringing ANY shift. Hillary is status quo... period. If Sanders HAD WON? Then they'd have reason to be fearful of Socialism being brought into the governmental policies a lot more. Hillary Clinton is a CFR favorite. She is exactly what plutocrats want and will get. She will bomb whatever country is needed to keep the US Dollar in place. She will advocate any and all policies to keep everything going right along. Conservative media (TV and talk radio) have turned her into a female Karl Marx, and she is NOT that by any means!
 
strummingram said:
It's interesting to me how all of these people who are terrified of Hillary Clinton seem to base it on some radical shift she's going to bring about. She's not bringing ANY shift. Hillary is status quo... period. If Sanders HAD WON? Then they'd have reason to be fearful of Socialism being brought into the governmental policies a lot more. Hillary Clinton is a CFR favorite. She is exactly what plutocrats want and will get. She will bomb whatever country is needed to keep the US Dollar in place. She will advocate any and all policies to keep everything going right along. Conservative media (TV and talk radio) have turned her into a female Karl Marx, and she is NOT that by any means!
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I hate the woman with a passion but I agree with this post.
 
strummingram said:
It's interesting to me how all of these people who are terrified of Hillary Clinton seem to base it on some radical shift she's going to bring about. She's not bringing ANY shift. Hillary is status quo... period. If Sanders HAD WON? Then they'd have reason to be fearful of Socialism being brought into the governmental policies a lot more. Hillary Clinton is a CFR favorite. She is exactly what plutocrats want and will get. She will bomb whatever country is needed to keep the US Dollar in place. She will advocate any and all policies to keep everything going right along. Conservative media (TV and talk radio) have turned her into a female Karl Marx, and she is NOT that by any means!
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Hillary is more of the same, but on cocaine. She is for sale at any time for any reason for the right price.

There is a reason that Soros, Buffett, Bezos and countless hedge fund managers are bank rolling her campaign, and a vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein is an implicit endorsement of Hillary and her backers.
 
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Hillary is more of the same, but on cocaine.
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Bull... she's more tame than Obama, in my opinion. She's connected, big-time. She's been in the DC elite almost her entire adult life. It's hilarious to me when people blow a gasket thinking she's going to take your guns, or whatever other crap the right wing pundits peddle. Those people are just making their living by keeping one side poised against the other.

Voting your conscience is not endorsing anyone except the person for whom you're voting. If every person who said Johnson doesn't have a chance VOTED for him, he'd win in a landslide. People are indoctrinated well, and repeat what they always do.

The only down side of Hillary beating Trump is another 4 years of you guys belly-aching about how the "left" and "liberals" are taking over. And, then blowing Hillary Clinton's behavior and actions so far out of proportion. Sanders supporters are going to be left out in the cold, too.
 
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It doesn't take long and he wisecracks some of the DUMBEST quips and doesn't realize what he's actually alluded to or implied.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politic...trump-hints-at-hillary-clinton-assassination/
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Except he knows exactly what he is doing. He's getting you to talk about murder.

Compare Trump, who makes some stupid comment with Clinton, who Is at least familiar with dozens of murdered and suicidal people. And a lot of those suicides were bizarre.
 
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