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Will the “Iron Five” be helped from injuries and fatigue this season?

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With many more troops on the team this year the obvious answer should be yes but we all witnessed how Coach Davis rode the iron five all the way to the finals and somehow those five even playing so many minutes survived possible severe injuries and big time fatigue…

I would say luck and great trainers kept the team in one piece and everybody must agree with that statement…

Just expierence alone should help with the minutes as Styles, Johnson and Dunn have seen minutes on the court and Shaver worked with the team for half a season. The other three freshmen come in with great resumes and by mid season should be able to also offer some rest for the starters.

Coach Davis went thru the college wars and the Carolina system and knows the tradition that seniors and juniors get the big minutes have been winning formula for decades but I am hoping like using the spread offense last season than the normal two bigs that Coach Davis will find another successful team formula to utilize what he has to the fullest…
 
Since he was playing 8-9 peeps for increasing minutes until peeps started imploding, I'd assume he will run out all who prove trustworthy! Once you lose multiple contributors to injury, mystery issues, and ridiculous disgruntlement- you play the hand you are dealt! Salvaging a Finals run with a makeshift lineup is incredible!

There is absolutely no reason to believe Hubs would play 5 again unless forced. He didn't play for or coach with anyone who would!

It is far more likely we see 10 peeps getting significant minutes than 5!
 
With many more troops on the team this year the obvious answer should be yes but we all witnessed how Coach Davis rode the iron five all the way to the finals and somehow those five even playing so many minutes survived possible severe injuries and big time fatigue…

I would say luck and great trainers kept the team in one piece and everybody must agree with that statement…

Just expierence alone should help with the minutes as Styles, Johnson and Dunn have seen minutes on the court and Shaver worked with the team for half a season. The other three freshmen come in with great resumes and by mid season should be able to also offer some rest for the starters.

Coach Davis went thru the college wars and the Carolina system and knows the tradition that seniors and juniors get the big minutes have been winning formula for decades but I am hoping like using the spread offense last season than the normal two bigs that Coach Davis will find another successful team formula to utilize what he has to the fullest…
That meme needs to be relegated to the ash bins of history. Seriously though, the caveats of last season's short rotation --- one that was largely born from expedience and/or necessity --- caught up to us in the end. The best news is that it should no longer even be a consideration, given the current development of our roster.
 
I know so!

Hubs is too smart not to play at least 9-10 peeps as long as they continue to demonstrate their worthiness and stay healthy! I repeat, it is far more likely we see 10 with significant PT than 5!
If everyone is healthy and no one backslides, we have 5 proven players. I'm including Nance, even though he isn't yet proven with his new teammates, because he's been consistent in his career.

Armando
Nance
Leaky
Caleb
RJ

We have at least 3 guys that everybody (including me) seems to think should be good for serious minutes...

Puff
Styles
Trimble

...but they are not proven. Yes, Puff looked really good down the stretch. But he couldn't hit from outside. Which is why I didn't put him in the first group. Even merely decent shooting from deep earns him solid minutes.

I expect all 3 of those guys to see regular minutes. But it's up to them to be good enough.

Then there are guys who I don't expect to get a lot of minutes:

McKoy
Dunn
Washington
Nickel
Shaver

But a few of them might surprise.

If Washington is healthy, he'll get as many minutes in relief of both front line positions as he can handle. He's that good (or at least he used to be).

Personally I'm hoping to see a big step up from Dunn. To me he looked like a guy who just needed time to put it together - not like a guy who couldn't put it together. I expect Trimble to be so good that Dunn may not get a lot of minutes. But I expect him to improve a lot and be solidly in the rotation as a junior. If it turns out that freshman Trimble needs a year to make the transition, Dunn will need to step up.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Nickel and Shaver stand up to big time competition. Barring injuries, we don't need them to be good as frosh, but it would be nice if they have what it takes to compete at this level. I have hopes that Nickel might provide instant offense, but that's seldom a role for freshmen.

I feel sorry for McKoy. He's strong, he hustles, he works hard on defense, and seems to have a good attitude. But he can't hit the broad side of a barn. If he can't fix that, it's hard to see him getting much PT. He shot OK his last season at UVa, so maybe this summer is all he needs. Fingers crossed for him.
 
The "Iron 5" was forced by injury and attrition last season, it was in no way the plan going in.

Consider the injury side, mostly it was Puff and as such we were VERY fortunate that we did not have to deal with more injury issues until the last couple games of post season. We saw that Hubert went to Puff late season when Puff was finally able to be in game condition and injury free, clearly had Puff not dealt with injury he would have been a huge part of the rotation ALL season, may have even started for Leaky.

Attrition, Garcia was starting early season so when he left not only was he getting big minutes, he was Bacot's only back up. Ant's PT was on a solid increase when it was announced he would no longer be allowed to play last season (he was Love's primary back up). With a healthy Puff and had we not had those 2 losses by attrition, we had a solid 8 man rotation, more typical core rotation number level, but there is more.

Kerwin Walton, Hubert tried to include him in the rotation as well, tried to work with him even given how poor a defender he was, he may not defend but he can shoot the cover off the ball. Well he simply didn't shoot the cover off the ball nor did he work on offense to get better shots, Kerwin played himself right out of the line up. Yet Kerwin, many wanted him to start all last season going in to the season seemed to regress the more he played to the extent he was no more than Blue Steel at the end. But there is no question he was expected to be a solid guy getting good minutes going in to last season.

We as well had McKoy, who was not the basket case Walton became but still gave us very little offensively, thou did give us some sold defensive minutes along the way. Styles came on late but really was not ready, looked intimidated at times early in to last season and Dunn just was in no way ready for minutes. I don't really consider these 3 (Styles, Dunn, and McKoy) to be strong factors that drove the iron 5 because I don't think a lot was expected for them minute wise, maybe a slight case could be made for McKoy being expected more from.

Hubert was crafting a 9 man rotation going in to the season, the iron 5 + Puff/Garcia/Ant/Walton and that plan just blew up, we watched it, the plan blew up and what we were left with forced the iron 5 look until Puff could play. I am not going to say that we will not see that Iron 5 look again because we never know what situations may dictate as the season progresses, last season we went from what should have been a solid 9 man rotation to the iron 5 so don't say it will not happen again but know if it does it will not be because it was planned, it will be forced if it happens again, like it was forced in to place last season.

As TP above said, it is way more likely we see a 10 man rotation than see another Iron 5, I could not agree more with that statement.
 
If everyone is healthy and no one backslides, we have 5 proven players. I'm including Nance, even though he isn't yet proven with his new teammates, because he's been consistent in his career.

Armando
Nance
Leaky
Caleb
RJ

We have at least 3 guys that everybody (including me) seems to think should be good for serious minutes...

Puff
Styles
Trimble

...but they are not proven. Yes, Puff looked really good down the stretch. But he couldn't hit from outside. Which is why I didn't put him in the first group. Even merely decent shooting from deep earns him solid minutes.

I expect all 3 of those guys to see regular minutes. But it's up to them to be good enough.

Then there are guys who I don't expect to get a lot of minutes:

McKoy
Dunn
Washington
Nickel
Shaver

But a few of them might surprise.

If Washington is healthy, he'll get as many minutes in relief of both front line positions as he can handle. He's that good (or at least he used to be).

Personally I'm hoping to see a big step up from Dunn. To me he looked like a guy who just needed time to put it together - not like a guy who couldn't put it together. I expect Trimble to be so good that Dunn may not get a lot of minutes. But I expect him to improve a lot and be solidly in the rotation as a junior. If it turns out that freshman Trimble needs a year to make the transition, Dunn will need to step up.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Nickel and Shaver stand up to big time competition. Barring injuries, we don't need them to be good as frosh, but it would be nice if they have what it takes to compete at this level. I have hopes that Nickel might provide instant offense, but that's seldom a role for freshmen.

I feel sorry for McKoy. He's strong, he hustles, he works hard on defense, and seems to have a good attitude. But he can't hit the broad side of a barn. If he can't fix that, it's hard to see him getting much PT. He shot OK his last season at UVa, so maybe this summer is all he needs. Fingers crossed for him.
Love this post, don't agree with all of it but there is really well thought out opinion and for me it is discussion of posts like this that are the fun in all of this so kudos to WW!

I think most of my disagreement comes down to Washington, I think BOTH he and Trimble get solid minutes that will grow as the season progresses, I can see him giving us a freshman season maybe on par with Tony's freshman season. They will use caution with him early in, he has a lot of rust to knock off and of course they will want to be rock solid sure his knee is solid and ready but from all I hear he will be ready day 1 of practice. Guys, this kid is a 7'5-6" wing span with a solid mid range jump shot that in time may be un-defensible, his length just allows him to shoot over the top of defenders and if a guy that long is going to hit mid range jumpers consistently, game over. Don't forget, Washington, before his knee injury issues was considered the best jump shooting big man in his class and on a solid 5 star path. BTW, while I would love to see him play in the upcoming blue/white scrimmage, I am not expecting him to just out of caution.

I do expect more time for Styles this season but there is a ton of talent he will have to fight off for his minutes. Puff, frankly I consider him a starter, no matter if he comes off the bench or begins the game, I see him as starter level so much that I would add him to the initial 5. I do think Trimble will be close to that as well, I see starter level minutes for both he and Puff no matter who begins the game.

With Mckoy, that is a hard one, kid really wanted to be a UNC player his whole life, I think he struggled to handle the pressure of finally being able to realize his dream, he played VERY tight rather than free and easy. Hopefully having a season with us under his belt, he can relax and play freer, kid can play, I felt he did a solid job defending last season, even when he was asked to come in for Bacot and had to defend guys that had big time size advantages over him. The problem he has is we have some darn much talent at the positions he would play that it is hard to see solid PT for him, makes him more of a situational guy but you need those kid of guys at times.
 
Love this post, don't agree with all of it but there is really well thought out opinion and for me it is discussion of posts like this that are the fun in all of this so kudos to WW!

I think most of my disagreement comes down to Washington, I think BOTH he and Trimble get solid minutes that will grow as the season progresses, I can see him giving us a freshman season maybe on par with Tony's freshman season. They will use caution with him early in, he has a lot of rust to knock off and of course they will want to be rock solid sure his knee is solid and ready but from all I hear he will be ready day 1 of practice. Guys, this kid is a 7'5-6" wing span with a solid mid range jump shot that in time may be un-defensible, his length just allows him to shoot over the top of defenders and if a guy that long is going to hit mid range jumpers consistently, game over. Don't forget, Washington, before his knee injury issues was considered the best jump shooting big man in his class and on a solid 5 star path. BTW, while I would love to see him play in the upcoming blue/white scrimmage, I am not expecting him to just out of caution.

I do expect more time for Styles this season but there is a ton of talent he will have to fight off for his minutes. Puff, frankly I consider him a starter, no matter if he comes off the bench or begins the game, I see him as starter level so much that I would add him to the initial 5. I do think Trimble will be close to that as well, I see starter level minutes for both he and Puff no matter who begins the game.

With Mckoy, that is a hard one, kid really wanted to be a UNC player his whole life, I think he struggled to handle the pressure of finally being able to realize his dream, he played VERY tight rather than free and easy. Hopefully having a season with us under his belt, he can relax and play freer, kid can play, I felt he did a solid job defending last season, even when he was asked to come in for Bacot and had to defend guys that had big time size advantages over him. The problem he has is we have some darn much talent at the positions he would play that it is hard to see solid PT for him, makes him more of a situational guy but you need those kid of guys at times.
As always Dsouthr you hit the nail right on the head. Excellent evaluation…
 
2 peeps I am getting good vibes on are Washington and McKoy! I think we will be pleasantly surprised by the improvement in McKoy and I am willing to bet Washington is a key contributor backing up 4 & 5 by ACC time. If Nance wasn't in the fold, I would bet he gets a start or 2 at 4! McKoy will find a niche and will provide some timely D and O. Puff is ready to break out and Styles isn't too far behind. I expect both to see significant minutes. Dunn is the only one I don't have a feel about. I expect a sophomore jump but he could take one more year to get mentally/physically ready for this level.

The potential of this team is limitless and I am starting to think it has a pretty high floor too!
 
Jumping off on a tangent, Leaky Black.

First, very different discussion we can have about Leaky NOW, as opposed to a year ago around this time. I have seen some suggest that leaky is a much better jump shooter now than he was a year ago (going in to last season). Sorry guys, I am not sold on that, a little better maybe out of increased confidence but I do NOT, repeat do NOT want to see Leaky pumping treys.

The one thing I think Leaky can be fantastic at on the offensive end and something we have seen oddly little of is using Leaky's natural length advantage over wing defenders to clear out the paint dragging the defensive bigs outside and dropping Leaky in to post up on the smaller wings. Leaky is not just 6'8", he is a LONG 6'8" and he showed a lot more power/strength last season. Post him against that 6'6" wing defender deep in the paint. You don't want Bacot camping outside but guys like Nance/Puff or Nance/Washington front court duos have to have respect for their ability to knock down treys meaning they can not double down on leaky with a big else they give guys like Nance/Puff/Washington wide open looks from outside and that dog will not hunt for them.
 
AND he could be a superior threat in the mid-range! (if mid-range wasn't almost extinct these days) Leaky is the perfect design to be a mid-range terror. He can out quick bigs and shoot over smalls so how would you keep him from getting that mid level shot off???
 
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During the regular season, I'm sure everyone will get their opportunity. But once it gets to the tournament, I expect it to be a pretty tight rotation.

I think Puff will be part of the rotation for sure. Other than that, it just all depends. We have to see what we have next season. Manek was a dead-eye perimeter shooter, so he could play with anyone. These are my biggest questions.

1. Is Caleb Love a 36%+ 3-point shooter like he was last year with a significant sample size? Or is he closer to the 26% he was the year before? I tend to think he's a solid mid-30's streaky shooter. However, if he regresses to like 30%, the rotation gets more complicated because you simply cannot have a bunch of non-shooting threats out there.

2. Pete Nance was a dead-eye 3-point shooter last year. Is he a 40%+ 3-point shooter? Or is he more of a 33%, which he was his first 3 years? Similar to the point with Caleb.

3. Similar questions for RJ, although for some reason I just trust RJ more than anyone on the roster. Don't ask me why, lol.

If Caleb and Nance are really good shooters this season, reasonably, we can be as deep as we want to be. If their seasons last year were flukes from a 3-point efficiency standpoint, it changes a lot. If we have a bunch of 33% 3-point shooters, it will be really hard to play a bunch of non-shooters.

I know this is overly simplistic, but if Caleb and Nance aren't efficient shooters this year, it's going to be too easy to defend a lineup including: Dunn, Love, Leaky, Mando and whatever 4-man. Assuming Dunn is a non-threat from 3, defenses can just pack the paint.

But regardless, the rotation will be really tight during the tournament. I would expect Puff, Trimble and whichever big earns the most trust between McCoy, Washington, Shaver for 8. Nance only averaged 27 minutes last year, so there might be more minutes for the backup big than I'm expecting.
 
Shaver, the forgotten man, we never really talk about Shaver much, best I can tell the expectations of him are real close to zero. Last I heard the kid was around 6'10-11" and weighted in around 240-245lbs. He had lost a good deal of weight prior to getting to UNC, with some guys it takes time to adjust to a weight loss but he now has a good bit of last season as well as this off season to adjust to that as well as the college game over all. Keep this in mind, Bacot has taken the kid under his wing, clearly Bacot enjoys being able to match up against a kid of similar size and strength. Between going against Bacot and working with Sean May, we should be able to see what this kid has at some point this coming season.

So as far as impressions, clearly nothing can be based on how he played last season because he didn't play. Because of when he came in doubtful the staff was able to do as much work individually last season as they would have liked and clearly that was a concern for Hubert to the extent he shared that he doesn't think he will do that again (bring in a kid during the season that is not going to play). Point being that he is not your typical 2nd year player if you even consider him a 2nd year player. Then again, he isn't your typical freshman either because he has seen and experienced much more than any incoming freshman could, he was on the team that just played in the natty game, any other freshmen have that on their resume? LOL

The good, well clearly the kid had to be helped big time coming in early, adjusting to the college schedule, working with the nutrition and S/C staff, being involved in team meetings, film study, getting coaching, just going against a guy like Bacot in practice and now in pick up. Point being the kid is much further along than he would have been had he come in with the rest of the freshmen.

Kid has excellent size, reasonable reach for size, good strength and his conditioning has to be well further along than it would have been had he not come in early. I think he is a kid that can hit the boards well, good body to carve space inside or to set screens outside, and has a surprising good mid range game, reported to be able to knock down treys as well.

Not gong to call it the bad but I will call it the concerns, has transformed his body but doesn't understand what he can do now. Seems to be a bit lacking in aggression, I want to see him get pissed and play with some attitude physically. To me that has been the major change in Bacot since his freshman season, he has become much more aggressive physically and that has taken him to another level. I want to see if Shaver can go from being in awe of Bacot to I can take Bacot or Bacot is not going to do that to me. It is attitude and cleaning up footwork stuff, best I can tell did not have great feet, some balance concerns that are helped by solid S/C work and stamina.
 
Shaver is a complete unknown. He is unique in that he is in year 1.5 and he came in completely unheralded. The only things we know for sure are:
1. He really wanted to be a Tar Heel!
2. He has natural size/build that is D-1 appropriate
3. He has a + work ethic and he is driven to improve
4. He can shoot for his size
5. He will maximize his potential and we will see if that is Blue Steel; Back up at 2 positions; or significant contributor!

Thanks for being a True Tar Heel Bigun!
 
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During the regular season, I'm sure everyone will get their opportunity. But once it gets to the tournament, I expect it to be a pretty tight rotation.

I think Puff will be part of the rotation for sure. Other than that, it just all depends. We have to see what we have next season. Manek was a dead-eye perimeter shooter, so he could play with anyone. These are my biggest questions.

1. Is Caleb Love a 36%+ 3-point shooter like he was last year with a significant sample size? Or is he closer to the 26% he was the year before? I tend to think he's a solid mid-30's streaky shooter. However, if he regresses to like 30%, the rotation gets more complicated because you simply cannot have a bunch of non-shooting threats out there.

2. Pete Nance was a dead-eye 3-point shooter last year. Is he a 40%+ 3-point shooter? Or is he more of a 33%, which he was his first 3 years? Similar to the point with Caleb.

3. Similar questions for RJ, although for some reason I just trust RJ more than anyone on the roster. Don't ask me why, lol.

If Caleb and Nance are really good shooters this season, reasonably, we can be as deep as we want to be. If their seasons last year were flukes from a 3-point efficiency standpoint, it changes a lot. If we have a bunch of 33% 3-point shooters, it will be really hard to play a bunch of non-shooters.

I know this is overly simplistic, but if Caleb and Nance aren't efficient shooters this year, it's going to be too easy to defend a lineup including: Dunn, Love, Leaky, Mando and whatever 4-man. Assuming Dunn is a non-threat from 3, defenses can just pack the paint.

But regardless, the rotation will be really tight during the tournament. I would expect Puff, Trimble and whichever big earns the most trust between McCoy, Washington, Shaver for 8. Nance only averaged 27 minutes last year, so there might be more minutes for the backup big than I'm expecting.
First I have NEVER understood the mindset of using a deep rotation during the season but tightening up the rotation for the post season? My thing is of the rotation that got you to the post season was good enough to do that why change something that isn't broken? If anything I would prefer a deeper rotation in the post season due to having limited time between games in the post season. Injuries happen in the post season, a deep rotation can absorb much of that. Why would you have kids playing increased minutes in a tourney that has less time off between games and kids sit on the bench without PT that helped you get to the post season?

Caleb developed in to a really good open shot maker, much better at that this past season than he was as a freshman. Caleb's problem is shot selection, just simply takes to many bad shots. He has to cut down on the bad shots, his efficiency would sky rocket.

Nance, kids develop in to what they are, they all start off less than what they become. To wonder if Nance will revert back to the player he was as a freshman strikes me as an odd concern? Nance is BECAUSE he has shown that he is a solid jump shooter with range, doesn't mean the ball will go in at the same clip that it did for Manek and doesn't mean it won't.

Why throw out a line up of Dunn Leaky love and Mando (surprised you didn't add McKoy) in a discussion of shooting when how often do you really think that line up will be seen no matter how well Love shoots the ball? I doubt you will see that line up over 3 times this whole season so forgive me for not speculating on its ability to shoot the ball. More likely is Love struggles to shoot or starts again taking bad shots, Trimble is there to give Caleb some time on the bench to get his head back in to the game. If Nance struggles here comes Puff or Washington or Styles, you find the hot hands and you let those hot hands eat.
 
First I have NEVER understood the mindset of using a deep rotation during the season but tightening up the rotation for the post season? My thing is of the rotation that got you to the post season was good enough to do that why change something that isn't broken? If anything I would prefer a deeper rotation in the post season due to having limited time between games in the post season. Injuries happen in the post season, a deep rotation can absorb much of that. Why would you have kids playing increased minutes in a tourney that has less time off between games and kids sit on the bench without PT that helped you get to the post season?

Caleb developed in to a really good open shot maker, much better at that this past season than he was as a freshman. Caleb's problem is shot selection, just simply takes to many bad shots. He has to cut down on the bad shots, his efficiency would sky rocket.

Nance, kids develop in to what they are, they all start off less than what they become. To wonder if Nance will revert back to the player he was as a freshman strikes me as an odd concern? Nance is BECAUSE he has shown that he is a solid jump shooter with range, doesn't mean the ball will go in at the same clip that it did for Manek and doesn't mean it won't.

Why throw out a line up of Dunn Leaky love and Mando (surprised you didn't add McKoy) in a discussion of shooting when how often do you really think that line up will be seen no matter how well Love shoots the ball? I doubt you will see that line up over 3 times this whole season so forgive me for not speculating on its ability to shoot the ball. More likely is Love struggles to shoot or starts again taking bad shots, Trimble is there to give Caleb some time on the bench to get his head back in to the game. If Nance struggles here comes Puff or Washington or Styles, you find the hot hands and you let those hot hands eat.
I don't think it's as simple as "if Nance struggles, we have X, Y, Z." Not saying that Puff, Styles, or anyone else can't contribute but Nance's ability to stretch the floor can give everyone on the floor more space. If that's Puff or Styles and both guys are 30% perimeter shooters, then the team becomes a lot easier to guard.

Caleb has more problems than shot selection. He was ranked in the 16th percentile on dribble drives last year. So last year he was a catch-and-shoot/transition scorer. So we'll see if he gets a lot better off the bounce.

My overall feelings about the team today. Nance is the most important player on the team for the things I've laid on before. But this team will go as far as Caleb takes them.
 
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2 peeps I am getting good vibes on are Washington and McKoy! I think we will be pleasantly surprised by the improvement in McKoy and I am willing to bet Washington is a key contributor backing up 4 & 5 by ACC time. If Nance wasn't in the fold, I would bet he gets a start or 2 at 4! McKoy will find a niche and will provide some timely D and O. Puff is ready to break out and Styles isn't too far behind. I expect both to see significant minutes. Dunn is the only one I don't have a feel about. I expect a sophomore jump but he could take one more year to get mentally/physically ready for this level.

The potential of this team is limitless and I am starting to think it has a pretty high floor too!
It's all about health and rust when it comes to Washington. Awesome player if those don't get in the way too much.

The good news is that with Bacot and Nance, Washington doesn't have to be a star right out of the gate. But I'm convinced from his pre-injury clips that once he's healthy and fit he is almost certain to be exactly that.
 
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AND he could be a superior threat in the mid-range! (if mid-range wasn't almost extinct these days) Leaky is the perfect design to be a mid-range terror. He can out quick bigs and shoot over smalls so how would you keep him from getting that mid level shot off???
Zone breaker?
 
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First I have NEVER understood the mindset of using a deep rotation during the season but tightening up the rotation for the post season? My thing is of the rotation that got you to the post season was good enough to do that why change something that isn't broken? If anything I would prefer a deeper rotation in the post season due to having limited time between games in the post season. Injuries happen in the post season, a deep rotation can absorb much of that. Why would you have kids playing increased minutes in a tourney that has less time off between games and kids sit on the bench without PT that helped you get to the post season?
Nice argument.
 
I don't think it's as simple as "if Nance struggles, we have X, Y, Z." Not saying that Puff, Styles, or anyone else can't contribute but Nance's ability to stretch the floor can give everyone on the floor more space. If that's Puff or Styles and both guys are 30% perimeter shooters, then the team becomes a lot easier to guard.

Caleb has more problems than shot selection. He was ranked in the 16th percentile on dribble drives last year. So last year he was a catch-and-shoot/transition scorer. So we'll see if he gets a lot better off the bounce.

My overall feelings about the team today. Nance is the most important player on the team for the things I've laid on before. But this team will go as far as Caleb takes them.
Puff is every bit the jump shooter Nance is, if anything maybe even more so, no need to look at stats from last season and Washington may as well be. My point is if 1 isn't hitting find the hotter hand, it kinda is as easy as x, y, and Z. Now clearly, if we are pumping up treys from our 4s and they are not going down it is a concern because yes it would limit the ability to stretch from the 4. But good shooters will eventually see the ball go in, teams did not leave Marcus Paige wide open when he was in that senior season shooting slump, they still guarded him, heck they still guarded Kerwin last season. Nance/Puff/Washington could miss their last 3 shots in a row defenses will still respect that next shot.

The most important player on this team is Bacot, period, I can not see an argument counter to Bacot being our most important player... I am going to leave that just right there...LOL
 
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It's all about health and rust when it comes to Washington. Awesome player if those don't get in the way too much.

The good news is that with Bacot and Nance, Washington doesn't have to be a star right out of the gate. But I'm convinced from his pre-injury clips that once he's healthy and fit he is almost certain to be exactly that.
Everything I have heard in reference to Washington's knee issues is the original surgery was not done properly, thus when through the original rehab and he began to play the tendons were still not properly mended as they needed to be, his playing on it resulted in a partial tear and meniscus damage. I keep offering this because I feel some feel his knee issues could be chronic. I would suggest that any athlete that was going to play again that had the same results as Washington had with his original surgery would have needed a second procedure just as this kid did. Unless we are to consider ALL knees after surgery chronic, I can't see it different with this kid. He is now, what 11mo or more from his last surgery, way within the time doctors have told him he should be ready.

Ant Harris blew out 1 knee, got it repaired, played couple games and then blew out his other knee and yet not only played solid for us last season (till he was no longer allowed to play) his minutes were getting in to the upper teens (increasing with each game).

My point is I sense folks somewhat writing him off and I am trying to retort to those that do to give the kid a chance to recover like the vast majority of kids that have knee surgery do. I personally am THRILLED to have Washington and Trimble on this team and I think both will be factors for us by ACC time. I am thrilled to have Nickel as well but I think his PT will be limited so not expecting much as a freshman with Nance in place.
 
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We have a uouthful deep roster, we also have established vetern headliners at the forefront of that roster. Unless they change the game to 30 minute halves I can't see how all these names thrown out are getting the court time people have been predicting, barring injuries to the headliners. Early in the year you can see some Roy like extra minutes spread out, but I do believe Hubert will ride a strong 8 soft 9 rotation for the meat of the season.

I strongly believe Caleb and RJ are going to get 30 minutes a game minimum in the backcourt each, that is a decrease from last year, but still 60 of the 80 if they only get the 30, which I think will be more once conference games hit. I think Trimble will get 15 or so, leaving at most 5 for "others".

I do think Puff gets 1st crack at extended minutes, Leaky provides the intangibles and is a full grown vet, going to get 22 to 25 minimum, Puff 10-12 type or so leaves 5 or so for Trez at the 3?

Mando is going 33 plus, I think Nance 25 or so. That leaves around 12 minutes at 4/5. I think Trez gets some of that run at the 4 with his minutes at 3, and the big question how far along is Washington's legs. If back to form he is my guess to get the bulk of what remains. That is nine there already.

Dunn,McCoy,Nickels, types; practice hard be ready for when the injury bug rears it's ugly head or spot minutes sporadically.

I do see a deep roster, but not a take significant chunks from Mando, RJ, Caleb, and yes even Leaky ready roster. Having vetern matured stars is a luxury in this day and age of the college game, I think Hubert loves that advantage, and will ride them hard. The 10 plus rotation predictions I do not see at all! I think Caleb, RJ, and Mando will only get "breathers" if healthy and not sitting due to foul issues in a game once we get past the non conference slate.
 
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Puff is every bit the jump shooter Nance is, if anything maybe even more so, no need to look at stats from last season and Washington may as well be. My point is if 1 isn't hitting find the hotter hand, it kinda is as easy as x, y, and Z. Now clearly, if we are pumping up treys from our 4s and they are not going down it is a concern because yes it would limit the ability to stretch from the 4. But good shooters will eventually see the ball go in, teams did not leave Marcus Paige wide open when he was in that senior season shooting slump, they still guarded him, heck they still guarded Kerwin last season. Nance/Puff/Washington could miss their last 3 shots in a row defenses will still respect that next shot.

The most important player on this team is Bacot, period, I can not see an argument counter to Bacot being our most important player... I am going to leave that just right there...LOL
One thing I am not sold on is Puff logging significant minutes at the 4. He has thankfully filled out a bit, but I think he gets broke down if he is asked to play much at the 4. I think Trez can handle some 4 even Leaky some as "undersized" 4 minutes, Puff I'm not sold on in that role. He is a 3 who is much closer to a 2 then a 4 in my opinion.

As for Washington who I have seen for quite some time, I hope he is one of the kids who the knee issues don't last. My concern is he has been on the shelf for most of 2 years now. After the 1st "botched" surgery he was still very good, but in a clearly different manner. Maybe, he returns to pre surgery form, maybe he is more the second version, maybe as a big, those leg issues are now a persistent issue which is the case with a decent amount of 7 foot types, and he will have to adapt once more. The kid is a hard worker with a strong mindset, there are questions to how his body reacts especially as a big, those leg or foot issue can be more difficult to recover fully from with bigs at times.
 
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One thing I am not sold on is Puff logging significant minutes at the 4. He has thankfully filled out a bit, but I think he gets broke down if he is asked to play much at the 4. I think Trez can handle some 4 even Leaky some as "undersized" 4 minutes, Puff I'm not sold on in that role. He is a 3 who is much closer to a 2 then a 4 in my opinion.

As for Washington who I have seen for quite some time, I hope he is one of the kids who the knee issues don't last. My concern is he has been on the shelf for most of 2 years now. After the 1st "botched" surgery he was still very good, but in a clearly different manner. Maybe, he returns to pre surgery form, maybe he is more the second version, maybe as a big, those leg issues are now a persistent issue which is the case with a decent amount of 7 foot types, and he will have to adapt once more. The kid is a hard worker with a strong mindset, there are questions to how his body reacts especially as a big, those leg or foot issue can be more difficult to recover fully from with bigs at times.
Yet Puff has played well from the 4 spot, trying to think if Puff has played at the 2 for us, off top of my head do not recall much if any. Not that I disagree, not saying Puff can't play the 2 at times, Cam played at the 2 for his first years at Pitt with a bad hip. With so many teams going to a 4 out look, stretching with the 4 the size at the 4 spot has lessened. How many teams now feature a 6'9"250lb power forward that stretches the floor, even if they do how many have that size at the 4 2 deep? My point is very few teams can throw out guys at the 4 that make Puff under sized.

I think RJ, Love, Trimble eat up the vast majority of the guard minutes, Dunn will get a few game to game, at least enough to see if he has progressed enough that the drop off is not as bad as it was last season. If Dunn can not show up then Puff is in line for a few minutes at the 2 but there will not be many minutes there behind Love and Trimble.

On Washington, after the botched initial surgery, when he came back he has shared that he just didn't have the strength in that knee, didn't have the explosion he had and to compensate he began to step outside more. Per his latest doctor that did the last surgery, he is expected to fully recover and would not have been expected to fully recover from the initial surgery. I see it like a broken bone that was not reset properly after the break, will not mend properly so at times it has to be re-broken in order to reset it properly. That was what happened with the kid and thankfully it was not as dramatic as having to break a bone to re-set it. All of this to say, I have to go with the strong majority of young athletes that have knee surgery, the vast majority "fully" recover at least to a new physically sound normal. Much harder for older players to come back than a high school kid.

Washington is under constant watch by our medical staff, they know exactly (way more than me or any of us) how his progression is going. I suspect if his progression was not to plan we may have gotten some official notice by now of this being a red shirt season for Washington, at very least the rumors would be flying and I have not seen that. What we did in fact see was Hubert not exactly desperate for Nance or some other big guy and was comfortable going with who he had if Nance didn't turn out to be the fit he seems to have become with the current players. That is for me a strong indication that Washington is coming along well per the expected recovery extent as well as time frame. Out side of an announcement that the kid has fully recovered and is participating un-restricted in team work outs and 5 on 5 drills the no news for now for me has to be taken more as good news than bad. The medical expectation has always been that he is fully recovered by the start of practice and last I heard he was basically doing everything except contact, no 5 on 5 yet (that was over a month ago).

Now the rust, yes he will have rust, most of that will be getting back game legs conditioning but Puff had to get his game legs last season in season, they started off playing him limited minutes and gradually expanded them, I expect the same with Washington. This time of the year all players have some degree of rust, it has been several months since any of them have played in a game that means a lot in front of large crowds, the early practices and pre-season are for knocking the rust off. Granted the kid has more rust than RJ does so he will be metered in slower but freshmen usually are slower to come around until they can adjust to this level of play.
 
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We have a uouthful deep roster, we also have established vetern headliners at the forefront of that roster. Unless they change the game to 30 minute halves I can't see how all these names thrown out are getting the court time people have been predicting, barring injuries to the headliners. Early in the year you can see some Roy like extra minutes spread out, but I do believe Hubert will ride a strong 8 soft 9 rotation for the meat of the season.

I strongly believe Caleb and RJ are going to get 30 minutes a game minimum in the backcourt each, that is a decrease from last year, but still 60 of the 80 if they only get the 30, which I think will be more once conference games hit. I think Trimble will get 15 or so, leaving at most 5 for "others".

I do think Puff gets 1st crack at extended minutes, Leaky provides the intangibles and is a full grown vet, going to get 22 to 25 minimum, Puff 10-12 type or so leaves 5 or so for Trez at the 3?

Mando is going 33 plus, I think Nance 25 or so. That leaves around 12 minutes at 4/5. I think Trez gets some of that run at the 4 with his minutes at 3, and the big question how far along is Washington's legs. If back to form he is my guess to get the bulk of what remains. That is nine there already.

Dunn,McCoy,Nickels, types; practice hard be ready for when the injury bug rears it's ugly head or spot minutes sporadically.

I do see a deep roster, but not a take significant chunks from Mando, RJ, Caleb, and yes even Leaky ready roster. Having vetern matured stars is a luxury in this day and age of the college game, I think Hubert loves that advantage, and will ride them hard. The 10 plus rotation predictions I do not see at all! I think Caleb, RJ, and Mando will only get "breathers" if healthy and not sitting due to foul issues in a game once we get past the non conference slate.
Hubert has seemed to indicate that he wants them to play more toward the running game and not as much half court as we got stuck in last season. If you are going to be forced in to that Iron 5 look then the trade off is you will have to play more half court else you kill your core 5s legs. But now, with a much deeper bench than we ended the season with, expect the pace to be more what UNC fans are used to, wide open running game and hopefully a complete return to the Carolina fast breaks and secondary breaks. I don't want to see a single one of our players average over 30mins a game, if we see that it speaks to the trust Hubert has in that bench.
 
Hubert has seemed to indicate that he wants them to play more toward the running game and not as much half court as we got stuck in last season. If you are going to be forced in to that Iron 5 look then the trade off is you will have to play more half court else you kill your core 5s legs. But now, with a much deeper bench than we ended the season with, expect the pace to be more what UNC fans are used to, wide open running game and hopefully a complete return to the Carolina fast breaks and secondary breaks. I don't want to see a single one of our players average over 30mins a game, if we see that it speaks to the trust Hubert has in that bench.
Hopefully we can get some comfortable leads to sit the vetern leaders in a fair amount of games, that would greatly help the overall minutes. Getting out and running more is ideal, and I expect more of it to great sucess.

I could be wrong, but in competitive games I do not see Hubert sitting our headliners for over a quarter of the game, unless fouls or injuries dictate that. I'm of the mind that they will run 30 minutes minimum in competitive matchups from them.
 
Yet Puff has played well from the 4 spot, trying to think if Puff has played at the 2 for us, off top of my head do not recall much if any. Not that I disagree, not saying Puff can't play the 2 at times, Cam played at the 2 for his first years at Pitt with a bad hip. With so many teams going to a 4 out look, stretching with the 4 the size at the 4 spot has lessened. How many teams now feature a 6'9"250lb power forward that stretches the floor, even if they do how many have that size at the 4 2 deep? My point is very few teams can throw out guys at the 4 that make Puff under sized.
Puff has thankfully filled out some, his height is not my concern, his frame is, for logging more then spot minutes as a 4. I still do not see him getting extended time as a 4. I think he would wear down, physically, as he has in the past while playing less physical roles. There are spots where I think he can, and will slide there though. Trez seems more likely to hold up if needed for extended minutes there between the two to me. Hoping Washington comes along, and he and Nance then Traz and McCoy pitch in.

I agree Puff is a valuable piece, I think we disagree slightly on how that piece will be utilized. Also a slight disagreement on how important getting Nance was, I think it was HUGE, and much needed, especially with Washington coming off the injuries.
 
Puff has thankfully filled out some, his height is not my concern, his frame is, for logging more then spot minutes as a 4. I still do not see him getting extended time as a 4. I think he would wear down, physically, as he has in the past while playing less physical roles. There are spots where I think he can, and will slide there though. Trez seems more likely to hold up if needed for extended minutes there between the two to me. Hoping Washington comes along, and he and Nance then Traz and McCoy pitch in.

I agree Puff is a valuable piece, I think we disagree slightly on how that piece will be utilized. Also a slight disagreement on how important getting Nance was, I think it was HUGE, and much needed, especially with Washington coming off the injuries.
I to would have been concerned with Puff having to play extended minutes every game at the 4 because he would have been at a disadvantage with bulkier guys but he did a solid job late last season, his block on Banchero off a missed foul shot for example, was a key to our pulling that game out. But Nance does not have a huge size advantage over Puff, maybe an inch and 10lbs? Puff is a 3, I think we agree on that, he can play some 4 against most any team but is better suited to match up a stretch 4 than a power 4. I agree, Puff could find a minute or 2 at the 2, but there is not going to be much available time there.

As I shared during the Nance recruitment, I was neutral, I was not excited at potentially getting him nor was I disappointed when we did, I slightly wanted him to join us more than not wanting him. But ONLY because I felt and still feel that we could have done just as well playing Puff/Styles/Washington at the 4 (with maybe a little Nickel mixed in). Nance seems to be a great fit at this point and I am not throwing shade at him in any way.

Let me ask you this, if Washington did not have the knee issues would you still feel the strong need for Nance? If we got the announcement late today that Washington was fully cleared for full team activity, 5 on 5 pick up, anything that any other player is engaged in, would that change how you see the need for Nance?
 
I to would have been concerned with Puff having to play extended minutes every game at the 4 because he would have been at a disadvantage with bulkier guys but he did a solid job late last season, his block on Banchero off a missed foul shot for example, was a key to our pulling that game out. But Nance does not have a huge size advantage over Puff, maybe an inch and 10lbs? Puff is a 3, I think we agree on that, he can play some 4 against most any team but is better suited to match up a stretch 4 than a power 4. I agree, Puff could find a minute or 2 at the 2, but there is not going to be much available time there.

As I shared during the Nance recruitment, I was neutral, I was not excited at potentially getting him nor was I disappointed when we did, I slightly wanted him to join us more than not wanting him. But ONLY because I felt and still feel that we could have done just as well playing Puff/Styles/Washington at the 4 (with maybe a little Nickel mixed in). Nance seems to be a great fit at this point and I am not throwing shade at him in any way.

Let me ask you this, if Washington did not have the knee issues would you still feel the strong need for Nance? If we got the announcement late today that Washington was fully cleared for full team activity, 5 on 5 pick up, anything that any other player is engaged in, would that change how you see the need for Nance?
A fully healthy pre injuries Washington I do believe was a step in and start type freshman, but still a freshman. That would have made the Nance get less vital in my opinion, but still a needed one. I would still of liked the vetern big to go along with Mando and the talented freshman at the 4/5. Not sure if we could of convinced him to come in that scenario though. I was thrilled with adding Nance, a fully grown 4 and/or backup 5.

We have guys we can plug into that role for periods, but with any injury, or extended unavailability I think those options would be hard pressed to hold that down as the regular. I am intrigued to see how Trez has developed, with his natural strength and motor, I think he may be best suited as next up if we lose Nance, Washington, or Mando for minutes.
 
Yet Puff has played well from the 4 spot, trying to think if Puff has played at the 2 for us, off top of my head do not recall much if any. Not that I disagree, not saying Puff can't play the 2 at times, Cam played at the 2 for his first years at Pitt with a bad hip. With so many teams going to a 4 out look, stretching with the 4 the size at the 4 spot has lessened. How many teams now feature a 6'9"250lb power forward that stretches the floor, even if they do how many have that size at the 4 2 deep? My point is very few teams can throw out guys at the 4 that make Puff under sized.

I think RJ, Love, Trimble eat up the vast majority of the guard minutes, Dunn will get a few game to game, at least enough to see if he has progressed enough that the drop off is not as bad as it was last season. If Dunn can not show up then Puff is in line for a few minutes at the 2 but there will not be many minutes there behind Love and Trimble.

On Washington, after the botched initial surgery, when he came back he has shared that he just didn't have the strength in that knee, didn't have the explosion he had and to compensate he began to step outside more. Per his latest doctor that did the last surgery, he is expected to fully recover and would not have been expected to fully recover from the initial surgery. I see it like a broken bone that was not reset properly after the break, will not mend properly so at times it has to be re-broken in order to reset it properly. That was what happened with the kid and thankfully it was not as dramatic as having to break a bone to re-set it. All of this to say, I have to go with the strong majority of young athletes that have knee surgery, the vast majority "fully" recover at least to a new physically sound normal. Much harder for older players to come back than a high school kid.

Washington is under constant watch by our medical staff, they know exactly (way more than me or any of us) how his progression is going. I suspect if his progression was not to plan we may have gotten some official notice by now of this being a red shirt season for Washington, at very least the rumors would be flying and I have not seen that. What we did in fact see was Hubert not exactly desperate for Nance or some other big guy and was comfortable going with who he had if Nance didn't turn out to be the fit he seems to have become with the current players. That is for me a strong indication that Washington is coming along well per the expected recovery extent as well as time frame. Out side of an announcement that the kid has fully recovered and is participating un-restricted in team work outs and 5 on 5 drills the no news for now for me has to be taken more as good news than bad. The medical expectation has always been that he is fully recovered by the start of practice and last I heard he was basically doing everything except contact, no 5 on 5 yet (that was over a month ago).

Now the rust, yes he will have rust, most of that will be getting back game legs conditioning but Puff had to get his game legs last season in season, they started off playing him limited minutes and gradually expanded them, I expect the same with Washington. This time of the year all players have some degree of rust, it has been several months since any of them have played in a game that means a lot in front of large crowds, the early practices and pre-season are for knocking the rust off. Granted the kid has more rust than RJ does so he will be metered in slower but freshmen usually are slower to come around until they can adjust to this level of play.

Probably not the last time I’ll chime in with this, but I’ll be surprised if Trimble averages more minutes per game than Dunn.
 
Probably not the last time I’ll chime in with this, but I’ll be surprised if Trimble averages more minutes per game than Dunn.
Well that is a hot take for sure, I of course see it very differently, not sure I have seen anyone take that stance but it is interesting and I think lays fertile ground for some good discussion. I would like to better understand why you feel Dunn will get more minutes than Trimble before I can reasonably reply?
 
Yet Puff has played well from the 4 spot, trying to think if Puff has played at the 2 for us, off top of my head do not recall much if any. Not that I disagree, not saying Puff can't play the 2 at times, Cam played at the 2 for his first years at Pitt with a bad hip. With so many teams going to a 4 out look, stretching with the 4 the size at the 4 spot has lessened. How many teams now feature a 6'9"250lb power forward that stretches the floor, even if they do how many have that size at the 4 2 deep? My point is very few teams can throw out guys at the 4 that make Puff under sized.

I think RJ, Love, Trimble eat up the vast majority of the guard minutes, Dunn will get a few game to game, at least enough to see if he has progressed enough that the drop off is not as bad as it was last season. If Dunn can not show up then Puff is in line for a few minutes at the 2 but there will not be many minutes there behind Love and Trimble.

On Washington, after the botched initial surgery, when he came back he has shared that he just didn't have the strength in that knee, didn't have the explosion he had and to compensate he began to step outside more. Per his latest doctor that did the last surgery, he is expected to fully recover and would not have been expected to fully recover from the initial surgery. I see it like a broken bone that was not reset properly after the break, will not mend properly so at times it has to be re-broken in order to reset it properly. That was what happened with the kid and thankfully it was not as dramatic as having to break a bone to re-set it. All of this to say, I have to go with the strong majority of young athletes that have knee surgery, the vast majority "fully" recover at least to a new physically sound normal. Much harder for older players to come back than a high school kid.

Washington is under constant watch by our medical staff, they know exactly (way more than me or any of us) how his progression is going. I suspect if his progression was not to plan we may have gotten some official notice by now of this being a red shirt season for Washington, at very least the rumors would be flying and I have not seen that. What we did in fact see was Hubert not exactly desperate for Nance or some other big guy and was comfortable going with who he had if Nance didn't turn out to be the fit he seems to have become with the current players. That is for me a strong indication that Washington is coming along well per the expected recovery extent as well as time frame. Out side of an announcement that the kid has fully recovered and is participating un-restricted in team work outs and 5 on 5 drills the no news for now for me has to be taken more as good news than bad. The medical expectation has always been that he is fully recovered by the start of practice and last I heard he was basically doing everything except contact, no 5 on 5 yet (that was over a month ago).

Now the rust, yes he will have rust, most of that will be getting back game legs conditioning but Puff had to get his game legs last season in season, they started off playing him limited minutes and gradually expanded them, I expect the same with Washington. This time of the year all players have some degree of rust, it has been several months since any of them have played in a game that means a lot in front of large crowds, the early practices and pre-season are for knocking the rust off. Granted the kid has more rust than RJ does so he will be metered in slower but freshmen usually are slower to come around until they can adjust to this level of play.
I have now heard on three different occasions; yourself, some takes on the scrimmage as to Puff's physical appearance, and Theo saying that Puff was less easily moved and able to hold his ground more this summer. It does give me hope that he may be able to give more then spot minutes without wearing or breaking down if matched against bigger bodies on a semi regular basis.

It would certainly give Hubert more flexibility, his frame and style of play still gives me pause to him logging substantial minutes at the 4, but certainly something I will watch for.

I am really curious to see what Trez looks like in his sophmore campaign, I think his strengths can more naturally adapt to that role, hopefullyhis shot has that sophmore leap in improvement? And I have zero worries about it physically taxing him and his performance at all matching with bigger bodies.
 
After watching Dunn in the scrimmage, I think he will play more than I thought. He was noticeably more cofiident and decisive and he is a big guard. Trimble is advanced fora freshman. He will demand PT. He is athletic smart, strong, and fearless. They should make each other better!
 
Assume RJ and Caleb each average 30 mpg. With rare exceptions, you want at least 1 of them on the court at all times. That means that for 20 minutes - half the game! - they will not be on the floor together.*

Unless their play dictates otherwise...

When RJ is on the bench, I expect Trimble to take his place. Either Trimble or Caleb could take point.

When Caleb is on the bench, I expect Dunn to take his place, with RJ handling point.

I expect RJ and Caleb to start each game.

Most games, I would expect both RJ and Caleb to be on the floor at the end of the game.

Blowouts might give us a look at Trimble and Dunn playing together.

*Last season RJ and Caleb each averaged roughly 34 mpg - meaning they played together all but about 12 minutes per game, give or take.
 
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Well that is a hot take for sure, I of course see it very differently, not sure I have seen anyone take that stance but it is interesting and I think lays fertile ground for some good discussion. I would like to better understand why you feel Dunn will get more minutes than Trimble before I can reasonably reply?

Dunn has been in the program for a year & knows what to expect. Reverse their roles, if Trimble sat on our bench all last year watching the iron 5, & Dunn was a HS stud we were licking our chops to get on campus, do you think you might feel differently? People don’t think Dunn will contribute much because he didn’t get to show what he could do last year. Trimble looks like the shiny new object because he was playing against High School kids last year. I’m not at all saying Trimble can’t play, he 100% can. I just don’t think Dunn is getting his due because of the team circumstances last year.
 
Dunn has been in the program for a year & knows what to expect. Reverse their roles, if Trimble sat on our bench all last year watching the iron 5, & Dunn was a HS stud we were licking our chops to get on campus, do you think you might feel differently? People don’t think Dunn will contribute much because he didn’t get to show what he could do last year. Trimble looks like the shiny new object because he was playing against High School kids last year. I’m not at all saying Trimble can’t play, he 100% can. I just don’t think Dunn is getting his due because of the team circumstances last year.
I just think Trimble brings more to the table. He was the higher prospect coming out of high school and I think more ready to play as a freshman then Dunn was. The added year of practice is a plus for Dunn, just not sure if it is enough for him to win minutes over Trimble. I hope they both make it hard on Hubert for backup minutes by stepping up. My guess is it will be Trimble.
 
Could be that Trimble is good enough to demand PT, but I saw something in Dunn I didn't expect. He is much more confident and he has gotten stronger/faster/more decisive. He will not just lay down and let someone drink his milkshake! The competition will allow them to sharpen each other AND they will push the starters to be more efficient!
 
Dunn has been in the program for a year & knows what to expect. People don’t think Dunn will contribute much because he didn’t get to show what he could do last year. Trimble looks like the shiny new object because he was playing against High School kids last year. I’m not at all saying Trimble can’t play, he 100% can. I just don’t think Dunn is getting his due because of the team circumstances last year.
"Reverse their roles, if Trimble sat on our bench all last year watching the iron 5, & Dunn was a HS stud we were licking our chops to get on campus, do you think you might feel differently?"

That actually does sum up how I see the difference between the 2 players. Dunn actually sat on the bench the majority of the season, he had chances, he didn't produce. Trimble will not sit on the bench like that, he will not start as long as RJ and Caleb are healthy but he will he a min of mid teen minutes, we are just talking 2 very different level of talent. Don't get me wrong, Dunn is a talented kid but Trimble is just at another level talent wise.

Dunn isn't talked about a lot because his play last season does not drive a ton of interest (sounds a bit harsher than I want it to) but ball just don't lie. It is a hard situation for Dunn, the fact that he is still with us means he really wants to be at UNC, lot of kids would have walked or ran to the portal for more PT, Dunn elected to put his nose down and work for it, got to appreciate that. I hope the kid does well, in fact I would love to see Trimble be beat out for PT by Dunn because that would mean Dunn has developed in to a star for UNC, that would be AWESOME! I just don't see that but who knows, folks wanted Leaky gone before last season and that tone has certainly changed now.
 
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