With Cadeau On Board What's Our Back Court Going to Look Like?
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PG Davis, Cadeau
SG Love, Wilcher, Dunn
SF Nickel, Trimble, Johnson
PF High, Washington, Styles
C Bacot, Shaver
SG Love, Wilcher, Dunn
SF Nickel, Trimble, Johnson
PF High, Washington, Styles
C Bacot, Shaver
High is not starting as a freshman. Washington has played exclusively at Center so far, and I don't expect that to change. We will have some attrition after the season, so some of the players you have listed will not be here. If Puff Johnson is healthy there is no way he will ever be 3rd string.
Way too early to tell. Who will turn pro? Who will transfer? Will we add a big man transfer? Will enough guards leave for Cadeau to want to reclass to 2023?
What I can tell you is that Hubert has recently been fond of these two lineups:
RJ-Caleb-Trimble
RJ-Caleb-Dunn
So 3 guard lineups, even 3 point guard lineups, are a possibility moving forward.
Was going to post similar… Hubert tried 5-out and it didn’t work, though maybe that was to do with personnel…
Could see some small ball with puff and styles at #4 and Washington in the middle.
Agee, I have been saying since Cadeau verbal seemed likely, that I think 3 guard lineups could be the norm for a few years.
Hard to keep Wilcher off the court to start and finish games next season, I think he plays starter minutes.
Davis, Trimble with Wilcher or Dunn at the 3 will be how we finish games nect year.
I am not convinced Cadeau stays 2024, I think he is a reclass, which would make 3 guard lineups almost necessary.
I like that you included all those guys. Your roster would be plausible next year if Cadeau reclassifies. Although I will be surprised if Caleb and Armando are still around. But with NIL, you never know.
If we are talking 2024-25 (which is what I had in mind in the OP), Armando will be done and while Caleb could be here for a 5th year, I'd bet against it. A couple other guys might be gone, as well. Plus we need to pencil in Drake Powell at SF.
With those changes in mind, I would tweak your roster like this...
PG - (Davis) Trimble, Cadeau
SG - Wilcher, (Dunn)
SF - Johnson (Styles), Powell
PF - Nickel, High
C - Washington, (Shaver)
With maybe a front line transfer.
Guys in () are questionable. RJ would be a 5th year senior. He might stay, but he could choose play overseas. I'm thinking he could join up with Brady Manek in Australia. I'm not sure Dunn, Styles or Shaver will get enough burn, so I think they might choose to transfer. But any or all could return.
It's hard to see Puff muscling up enough to handle PF. But I can see Nickel doing that. He's already listed at 220 - 20 more than Puff.
Puff just needs to find his outside shot to have a lock on SF. But if he doesn't, I fear he is increasingly reduced to a defensive specialist with limited minutes.
Mainly because Cadeau is a pure point guard who will only be here one season, while Trimble is a player that Coach Davis has been comfortable playing many positions including SF in the 3 guard lineups.
Do we risk getting too short as a team? A lot of our replacements are an inch or 2 shorter than the guys who are leaving.
Hubert's been playing 6'3" Trimble at SF. You'll be seeing some short lineups going forward.
Will Dunn stay or look to hit the transfer portal? He seems like a good kid but I feel like he may be the odd man out
I believe Trimble will open up some eyes next year. He can already play defense better then any guard we have. With a year under his belt I think he’ll also be dangerous on offense. Elliot hasn’t even played against a defense. Pull back on the reins boys.
Bacot has no chance of being here in 2024.. next year would be his 5th year. No way Love returns for year 5. Davis might.
Cadeau not reclassifying either
Next year I assume our back court will be
SR - Davis - 6'0 175
SO - Trimble - 6'3 192
FR - Wilcher - 6'4 185
JR - Dunn - 6'5 190
I'm not sure who plays where, but it sounds good to me.
Caleb has that extra gear, inconsistent though it may be, but I think Wilcher has it, too. Still, it will be hard for a freshman to step into a star junior's shoes. We won't know about chemistry until we see him play, but if he doesn't think he should be a PG, that could be an improvement.
Simply put......our backcourt will be better next season with those 4 names.
Need Bacot back with Nickel, Washington and Puff knocking down jumpers.
Yeah but what if Caleb comes back? Last year we lost guys to the portal and frankly, didn't exactly break my heart that they did. But I see 2 guys now that look to me like they will be our next losses to the portal and I hate thinking we will lose them, they are room mates, Styles and Dunn. If Caleb comes back, goodbye to those 2. If Caleb does leave then that 4th back court spot, that gets limited minutes, is there for Dunn next season but in his senior season we now have Cadeau to mix in if he reclasses, he comes to 23 if Caleb or RJ leave after this season. I agree Dunn needs more PT, he really seems to have put in the off season work and was looking really solid before that wrist got hurt. I think he is to talented, Styles as well, to just get scrap minutes when they could go elsewhere and likely start. It is one of those really hard choice deals.
Boogie Fland, the only way I could reasonably see us now with any shot at all with him would be for Cadeau to reclass and be 1&D, neither close to a guarantee and it may even take both RJ and Caleb not staying for a covid season. Boogie does have a lot of time to wait and see but I suspect he will look harder at other options that will all talk to him about how crowded our back court is, I don't see any of that resulting in Fland to UNC. If, what I think is worst case we end up with a back court of Trimble (jr), Wilcher (soph), and Cadeau (fr) there is not going to be much PT to be had by anyone else, that is an insane back court that brims with basketball IQ, should be a magnet for big men that want to play with guards that are willing to get it to them in scoring position. I think this makes Hubert's pitch to Brown even stronger or a top big from the portal.
Better, IDK, Caleb is special, hard for me to say we will be better without him. I would say the offense would flow better because Caleb can be a ball stopper, has been to often over his UNC career. The offense has flowed better in the last 4 games but Caleb is looking to pass the ball more as of late. Thing with Caleb is he is always a guy I suspect will revert to the way he payed the first 2 years on a dime when he is not comfortable. RJ has some of that to, my hope is these last 4 games has taught them something that they will not forget and be able to build on rather than regress from. But you know the nature of this team, kinda last game not really indicating what to expect in the next game and out of the blue the ball again begins to be dominated by Caleb and RJ.
But with the game on the line and UNC needs a huge shot, it is sure nice to have Caleb Love available to take it !!!
My comment, though it seems is about Caleb.......(Some is) is more about the other 3 returning guys. Davis would be a 4th year starter. Trimble will be a kid who's offense will get better each year he plays and Dunn will breakout if we can get him in that 15-20 min range. Dunn is truely a 2 way player in my opinion, just needs reps. Then you throw in Wilcher, who reminds me of Jaiden Ivy. Wilcher will be a downhill player that can play 1-3 positions, and I think he will be more consistent than what Love was as a Freshman or Sophomore. High end Caleb, will be hard to match, but the consistency from the other 4 players plus their natural improvements, make me think our backcourt will be better.
Right now we are still Davis and Love with a sprinkle of Trimble and a Dash of Dunn. I think a true 4 man rotation of 3 experienced players and a young 5 star stud will provide a higher ceiling.
I agree with the above (no matter how shocking agreeing with SDung might be!) Hubs is a brilliant recruiter and is stacking skilled peeps who are also team first! Once you get them on board, you figure out how to maximize their talent! I am not worried in the least about their measurables because the intangibles seem to be off the charts!
I don't know that we will ever see it but I would LOVE to see a back court with Cadeau and Trimble playing together, can you not just see those 2 defending as a tandem. That is a duo that could totally shut down most back courts it would face, imagine UNC being able to shut down the other teams back court players and all the ripple effects that forces the other team to navigate thru.
