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Would/Could Wes have done what HD has(record,recruiting .....

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Like a lot of folks on this board, I leaned towards Wes as Roy's successor. Well how do folks feel now??? Do you think Wes could have gotten to the natty last year?? How about recruiting??? HD is on fire and seems to have established an incredible bond with these kids....they want to play for him.Would Wes nab the 4 and 5 stars HD is bringing in???

It is all hypothetical of course. But I am curious as to the views of the board. As for me....Asmuch as I quibble about HDs subs and his pattern of subs..I honestly do not believe Wes would have done as well HD in any area as head coach I like Wes and feel he will be a very good coach...but as of now I am going with Hubert.
 
tough question, but I don't think either was the right fit for the job, nor had the experience to step in and be the guy we need them to be on various levels. so both were set up to fail at some level in taking this job, especially early on.
 
GoNtheDistance said:
tough question, but I don't think either was the right fit for the job, nor had the experience to step in and be the guy we need them to be on various levels. so both were set up to fail at some level in taking this job, especially early on.
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You think HD has failed?

National title game in his first season at UNC, a Bacot weird floor board sprained ankle away from a Natty, and he's the best recruiter in CBB right now.

If that's failure then what exactly is success?
 
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dadika13 said:
You think HD has failed?

National title game in his first season at UNC, a Bacot weird floor board sprained ankle away from a Natty, and he's the best recruiter in CBB right now.

If that's failure then what exactly is success?
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not at all. i was simply saying that no matter what side you choose (Hubert or Wes), both lacked the experience most all of us would have liked so at some level, they were set up to fail simply by their lack of experience. not necessarily that Hubert has failed.
 
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GoNtheDistance said:
not at all. i was simply saying that no matter what side you choose (Hubert or Wes), both lacked the experience most all of us would have liked so at some level, they were set up to fail simply by their lack of experience. not necessarily that Hubert has failed.
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ok, that makes much more sense. Appreciate the clarification.
 
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I think there are areas each would have been superior to the other at this point. HD is far better at recruiting, although recruiting to UNC is not the same as recruiting to Cinci so hard to say how well Wes would have done at Carolina as a recruiter but I’m guessing HD would have the edge there.
 
I think Hubert, take it for what it is, has en edge on recruits some due to race.

I do not think Roy, Wes, or whoever could have landed the recruits Hubert did.
 
I keep pointing to the fact Hubert Davis recruited Cole Anthony. I understand our record was not great while he was here, but he was a number one recruit.

Look at who HD has gotten to commit, and we can include #1 GG Jackson.

Wes would have been cool, but HD is bringing in the recruits.
 
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superstar57 said:
I keep pointing to the fact Hubert Davis recruited Cole Anthony. I understand our record was not great while he was here, but he was a number one recruit.

Look at who HD has gotten to commit, and we can include #1 GG Jackson.

Wes would have been cool, but HD is bringing in the recruits.
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I’m not saying Hubert can’t coach, not enough time. But Calipari fits your description also. Great recruiter but that doesn’t matter as much as being the head coach. I believe you can get away with being a sub par coach if you have great support staff and that too is also in question at the moment.
 
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imajericho said:
I think Hubert, take it for what it is, has en edge on recruits some due to race.

I do not think Roy, Wes, or whoever could have landed the recruits Hubert did.
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Eh...I think it's more that he played in the NBA, he's an extremely charismatic dude, we just went to a national title game, we host amazing OVs, and that our assistants are also really really good at this.

Calipari, Self, K (Scheyer now), Drew, etc. have been the ones winning recruits and they are all white.

In 2023, every single top 10 recruit is going to play for a white coach and only 5 of the top 50 recruits are going to play for a black coach so I'm not sure how we can argue "race gives you an edge on recruits."
 
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Right out of the gate I do not believe Wes would have been as successful recruiting has been. Hubert is just a really likable person and such a grounded man that parents trust him and is very important, parents trusted Dean and Roy as well. AS a game coach I would have to say for now Wes is better, of course he has been a head coach good bit longer than Hubert has been so he has had time to figure out how he wants his players to play and the expectation levels are not nearly what they are as the UNC head coach.

IN time Hubert will figure a lot of this out but there is more OJT than I realized there would be, hard for me to understand how you play 4 years for Dean, coach 8yrs for Roy and deviate so hard from what those 2 hall of fame coaches did?
 
I think that last year during our tourny run, the national attention Hub got, and the whole country seeing the kind of man he is, turned a lot of heads. As a parent, you couldn't have asked for a better blessing,than your son to be coached and mentored by a man like that. Add in the blue blood program that's stood the rest of time. It's a perfect storm for success.
 
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alabamaheel said:
I’m not saying Hubert can’t coach, not enough time. But Calipari fits your description also. Great recruiter but that doesn’t matter as much as being the head coach. I believe you can get away with being a sub par coach if you have great support staff and that too is also in question at the moment.
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Many on this board begged for UK recruits, even when we were going to back to back championship games!
 
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dadika13 said:
Eh...I think it's more that he played in the NBA, he's an extremely charismatic dude, we just went to a national title game, we host amazing OVs, and that our assistants are also really really good at this.

Calipari, Self, K (Scheyer now), Drew, etc. have been the ones winning recruits and they are all white.

In 2023, every single top 10 recruit is going to play for a white coach and only 5 of the top 50 recruits are going to play for a black coach so I'm not sure how we can argue "race gives you an edge on recruits."
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At least one person on the recruiting trail when asked said that having a coach that looked like him was a factor. I forget who it was.
 
I'm not here do defend a better job, but who else do you want besides a good recruiter In today's college game,

This is AAU at the top level, and Davis already delivered a final four, as well as a top class coming in 2024, and Wilcher for 2023.

I say let's stick with HD for awhile, I'm a fan of Wes to, just don't see how he gets the recruits HD did.
 
I'm rooting for Wes, but he is under performing at Cincinnati on the court and in recruiting, he will not have that long of a rope there if he does not get them to the level they're accustomed to. He is well short of that at this point on both accounts.

Hubert has taken the recruiting world by storm, knocking it out of the park. Went to the Championship game already. I mean c'mon even the most stubborn of people have to realize they were wrong sometimes.
 
dadika13 said:
Eh...I think it's more that he played in the NBA, he's an extremely charismatic dude, we just went to a national title game, we host amazing OVs, and that our assistants are also really really good at this.

Calipari, Self, K (Scheyer now), Drew, etc. have been the ones winning recruits and they are all white.

In 2023, every single top 10 recruit is going to play for a white coach and only 5 of the top 50 recruits are going to play for a black coach so I'm not sure how we can argue "race gives you an edge on recruits."
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I agree 100% . But maybe he was meaning it gave us an edge , which would make sense. Love Roy. But how many years were we needing a PG or SG badly and he couldn’t deliver. Seems like so far Hubert is landing players at positions of need.
 
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dadika13 said:
Eh...I think it's more that he played in the NBA, he's an extremely charismatic dude, we just went to a national title game, we host amazing OVs, and that our assistants are also really really good at this.

Calipari, Self, K (Scheyer now), Drew, etc. have been the ones winning recruits and they are all white.

In 2023, every single top 10 recruit is going to play for a white coach and only 5 of the top 50 recruits are going to play for a black coach so I'm not sure how we can argue "race gives you an edge on recruits."
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Agreed, they are coming because Hubert is the person who is going to coach them. How young or old they are, if they look like them, grew up in a urban or rural area like them, etc. all play a part, but what you believe that man is about as a person and in his coaching philosophy is what ultimately tips the scales when you are being courted by them all.
 
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dadika13 said:
Eh...I think it's more that he played in the NBA, he's an extremely charismatic dude, we just went to a national title game, we host amazing OVs, and that our assistants are also really really good at this.

Calipari, Self, K (Scheyer now), Drew, etc. have been the ones winning recruits and they are all white.

In 2023, every single top 10 recruit is going to play for a white coach and only 5 of the top 50 recruits are going to play for a black coach so I'm not sure how we can argue "race gives you an edge on recruits."
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Agreed. Patrick Ewing is a black coach and Hall of Famer, and he hasn't landed any big recruits (I think GT recruiting is actually worse under him), so there's a lot more too it than that. Same for Louisville so far with their new guy.
 
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Lot of ways to look at this. It’s really hard to tell if Hubert has been successful to be honest. He had a great tournament run that ended with blowing a huge lead in the title game. And we are staring at being unranked for the second year in a row Under his leadership. Recruiting wise you can only count who he has actually gotten to campus. GG doesn’t count. The 2024 guys don’t count either - they are just verbals and can reclass or decomitt or go pro. I’m optimistic and I feel like things are trending upwards, but I’m not ready to say he’s definitely the right choice yet.
 
dadika13 said:
The same GG who was ready to commit to Frank Martin before he got fired?
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Jackson, a five-star 2023 power forward at Ridge View (S.C.) High School, added that he “wanted to play for an African American coach” in college. That concept didn’t drive his recruitment in full, he said, but it was “on his mind” as he went through the process and ultimately chose to the Tar Heels last Wednesday.

Listen. You can attack my post all you want, but like I said, I think it gives him an edge at times. Obviously GG decommitted and went elsewhere in the end, but the comment did exist.
 
imajericho said:
Jackson, a five-star 2023 power forward at Ridge View (S.C.) High School, added that he “wanted to play for an African American coach” in college. That concept didn’t drive his recruitment in full, he said, but it was “on his mind” as he went through the process and ultimately chose to the Tar Heels last Wednesday.

Listen. You can attack my post all you want, but like I said, I think it gives him an edge at times. Obviously GG decommitted and went elsewhere in the end, but the comment did exist.
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Well of course it gives Hubert an edge being a man of color, many of these kids find him more relatable, there is just that little extra bit of confidence. NO, that is not the main thing, there is so much more than goes in to it but it is to some degree enough to maybe effect a 50/50 decision, it isn't the factor but it is another factor.

Why is that so hard for folks to say? You now see more black recruits actually consider playing for a traditional black university and yet race is no factor? John Thompson darn near made a career by letting recruits know how accepting his program and school were to black players. Dean Smith, great friends with Big John, Dean bringing in Charlie Scott sure didn't hurt his career that was built on a lot of players both black and white, and then there was on the other end of the spectrum Adolph Rupp who could not decide on whether to sleep on his bed sheets or wear them to "cook outs".
 
That's amazing that someone else has brought to life the same disgust, and dislikes of Adolph Rupp. That's why to this day my dislike for Kentucky has always been there, and will always be there. May he rest in peace..
 
keysersosay#1 said:
Like a lot of folks on this board, I leaned towards Wes as Roy's successor. Well how do folks feel now??? Do you think Wes could have gotten to the natty last year?? How about recruiting??? HD is on fire and seems to have established an incredible bond with these kids....they want to play for him.Would Wes nab the 4 and 5 stars HD is bringing in???

It is all hypothetical of course. But I am curious as to the views of the board. As for me....Asmuch as I quibble about HDs subs and his pattern of subs..I honestly do not believe Wes would have done as well HD in any area as head coach I like Wes and feel he will be a very good coach...but as of now I am going with Hubert.
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UNC basketball recruits itself. A coach who gets off track will lose some of that power, but the program recruits itself.

The run to the NCAA tourney title game last year came after a poor regular season. This season also so far is an underachievement.

Would Wes have done better so far? Maybe, but if so, not by much. The real issue is now whether Davis can have a program that is expected to be Top 10 virtually every season.
 
King rice is having a rough time at Monmouth this year. I don't think he has much longer.
 
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