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The desperation of "Climate Change"...

What was McVeigh's reason?



If the Muslims are right wing, then why do so many right wingers hate them? Wait! Is this like Jews, Gays, and Blacks being part of the white supremacists? Because I've heard that one too!

Of course the radical Muslims are right wing just like any other radical religious group.
 
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That doesn't look like footage, although I could be wrong.
 
Just trying to get some visual proof. It sounds pretty proven, but there still isn't that visual proof. The whole, "A picture is worth a hundreds words" kind of thing.

What ****ing visual proof do you need? He did it. Eyewitnesses saw it, he was put away for life, what more do you want.

The fact that you are more focused on “whether or not there’s proof” as opposed to the actual severity of the crime in which someone LOST THEIR LIFE is disgusting.

He was a right wing nutjob who killed someone. How on earth can you delude yourself into believing that Oklahoma, Charleston, Charlottesville, Orlando, etc are not crimes perpetrated by people who were clearly right wing?
 
What ****ing visual proof do you need? He did it. Eyewitnesses saw it, he was put away for life, what more do you want.

The fact that you are more focused on “whether or not there’s proof” as opposed to the actual severity of the crime in which someone LOST THEIR LIFE is disgusting.

He was a right wing nutjob who killed someone. How on earth can you delude yourself into believing that Oklahoma, Charleston, Charlottesville, Orlando, etc are not crimes perpetrated by people who were clearly right wing?

All I wanted was to see the proof. I've said on here that I have no reason to believe the guy was innocent. All I wanted was video evidence. I'm not sure why you are so uptight about all of this? Again, I've never once said that I thought the guy was innocent.

As for the other part of your post, I've already answered that. You didn't like my answer, but you can't refute it either, so I guess that's why you're bringing it up as though I never answered the question. Maybe you've just scrapped it from your memory since you don't have a response? I'm just spitballing here.
 
All I wanted was to see the proof. I've said on here that I have no reason to believe the guy was innocent. All I wanted was video evidence. I'm not sure why you are so uptight about all of this? Again, I've never once said that I thought the guy was innocent.

As for the other part of your post, I've already answered that. You didn't like my answer, but you can't refute it either, so I guess that's why you're bringing it up as though I never answered the question. Maybe you've just scrapped it from your memory since you don't have a response? I'm just spitballing here.

It happened. End of story. Not everything is caught on camera.

You didn’t answer any question you evaded it and deluded yourself into believing what you wanted to believe.

All of those shooters I mentioned were right wing. I can back it up. People here have pointed out evidence but you won’t listen.
 
It happened. End of story. Not everything is caught on camera.

You didn’t answer any question you evaded it and deluded yourself into believing what you wanted to believe.

All of those shooters I mentioned were right wing. I can back it up. People here have pointed out evidence but you won’t listen.

Well then...back it up.
 
Sure it does. Let me give you a couple of obvious examples.

1. Amish barn building.

2. KKK lynching.

Both are instances of a collective operating to achieve an objective.

Two cherry picked examples? What about the collectivism of the climate change cult, or how about the collectivist nature of socialism?

If you don't believe everything pro-climate change people say, without any kind of debate...then you're a collectivist.
Dude, quit trolling

So, now trolling is asking someone to back up their claim? What's next? Someone is trolling you if they don't act a certain way in public?
 
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Two cherry picked examples? What about the collectivism of the climate change cult, or how about the collectivist nature of socialism?

If you don't believe everything pro-climate change people say, without any kind of debate...then you're a collectivist.


So, now trolling is asking someone to back up their claim? What's next? Someone is trolling you if they don't act a certain way in public?

Not even taking the bait dude. You're good I admit, but you're not the kind of person genuinely asking questions. Just a troll.
 
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Here's an interesting climate change article. It is an interview of a past climatologist at Georgia Tech. Far from being a science denier, she is a science defender - but uses true scientific theory, and attempts to consider all the many factors that impact our planet's climate, temperatures, ocean levels, etc. …. not just pre-concluding that any climate change is caused (solely or primarily) by human carbon emissions, then only using measures, models and statistics that support this forgone conclusion, and ignore all other measures, variables, occurrences that refute this pre-conclusion.

IMO saying "the science is settled" and ridiculing or name calling of people who want to know more about all the variables, and what we can do - if anything - to make a difference in climate change...

to me feels like person's who might not be so sure their "settled science" can hold up to even any modest scrutiny, or true scientific analysis.

A few points the article makes:
  • The recent warming trend (say, the last two decades) basically exactly matches a warming trend from the 1860s (you know - when we had millions of cars and factories world-wide)
  • The planet actually cooled in the 1970s - when carbon emissions may have been at their height. At least in the US, carbon emissions decreased significantly with the significant reduction in manufacturing in the US, and the move for companies to find cleaner, lower emission alternatives.
  • The planet actually cooled by about a degree last year.

I realize most people truly have the good of the planet in mind / heart when wanting to "do something about climate change".

I just think there is opportunity for more education and information to get into the mainstream about what we do and don't know about the many causes and variables of climate change, and whether recent changes in these variables have any different impact on the climate, than what has occurred for hundreds or thousands of years. The planet has gone through cycles of being much warmer and much cooler than today, several times in the last few hundreds of years, based on scientific measures and estimates.

For others (not anyone here, I think) - some of the climate change movement isn't really about the planet at all. Instead it's about the hatred for capitalism (which has actually improved the lives of hundreds of millions of people around the globe more than any other factor) -

….preferring some sort of collective form of economy (socialism, for example). I'd put Greta Thurnberg and AOC and the Green New Deal crowd in this group. The Green New Deal people have even stated that "its not about the environment, its about deconstructing and reconstructing the economy".
 
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