How sexual, and thus how perverted, was it? If it has gone on for a long time, it is hard to think that nobody on the coaching staff ever got a hint of it. How common on sports teams these days is such hazing? Does UNC have anything to worry about?
What do you make of the hazing scandal at Northwestern?
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It has cost Fitzgerald his job. And it seems that one of the two whistle blowers was focused on that from the start. The firing, of course, does not mean that it was the right thing to do. Officials often chop a head or two in order to push away from something unpleasant, and many such officials care only for their own heads.
Not sure why it wouldn't be the right thing to do if it's been going on for multiple years. Either he knew and didn't stop it or he created a culture where players thought that was acceptable.
'If' is a big word.
It seems that only 2 players have made any accusations, while several others have denied any such thing went on, certainly to that degree. So nothing has been proven. Pronouncing guilt and imposing a sentence is not right at this stage. What is needed now is deep investigation to make certain that these accusations are not just about disgruntled players or players with some kind of political agenda. And both do exist at most programs.
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Allegedly Ex-Northwestern QB Carl Richardson is the whistleblower in the Hazing/Pat Fitzgerald allegations. According to former player Eduardo Soto, Carl made up and embellished allegations to get Coach Fitzgerald fired
Carl entered the transfer portal in February.
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The first university investigation did not result in a call to fire Fittzgerald. That came after 'activists' began making loud demands. That first investigation had to have been just preliminary because to do a thorough one would take time. They would need to contact a hundred or more former players, as well as have a sit down interview with everyone still on the team. They'd need to talk to all assistants, as well as student managers.
A mad rush to 'judgment' is never a wise thing. In this case, it may cost Northwestern multiple millions of dollars, as well as its good reputation among those in the coaching profession. .
And then we have this stupidity by Northwestern - the school is retaining all the assistants and support staff. If you truly believe that what happened was this massive, many years cesspool of perverted hazing, then you must believe that many more 'adults' than the HC knew about it. It is not possible that such things occurred many times, over many years, with only the HC being responsible for not stopping it. And that means you would fire them all, every one who should have known.
But retarded actions and thought processes have become the new normal.
Fitzgerald's lawyers are all wondering how much money they are going to make from this fiasco. And that portal QB is likely to find that no coach wants him.
But retarded actions and thought processes have become the new normal.
Fitzgerald's lawyers are all wondering how much money they are going to make from this fiasco. And that portal QB is likely to find that no coach wants him.
So, if you believe that this horror show on that grand scale has been going on for years, you keep such an awful, immoral staff just because the season is approaching? Wouldn't that make Northwestern's administration even more immoral than PSU's re: Sandusky? Sandusky was already retired when that true monster show began coming out.
Fitzgerald is going to get a big settlement. Northwestern should to settle ASAP to try to get past it. Going to court will cost it at least double because of lawyer fees, and it will keep the public thinking about this whole mess.
And nobody is going to want that job without written guarantees that nothing like this could happen to him. This was a very stupid quick rush to judgment and punishment, and it may be nothing more than 2 disgruntled players making up nonsense to try to punish the coach they have come to despise.
Yes, you keep them because you don't have a choice unless you are going to have a bunch of players coach the team. And you embarrass yourself by trying to compare this to Sandusky.
ACC commissioner Jim Phillips named defendant in latest lawsuit by ex-Northwestern player, per reports
Jim Phillips, Northwestern's former athletic director, is listed among the defendants in a complaint filed by a second ex-Wildcats football player.
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We've had a small handful of players (is it even officially up to 5?) make claims that Northwestern athletics, and most specifically the football team, has been terrorized for many years perhaps 2 decades, of rather violent, hazing that is both racist and sexual in nature. And this hazing was known about by coaches and administrators, with no telling how many players participated.
You cannot prove or disprove such allegations within a few days or a week, even 2 weeks. If all that had been happening over that much time, there would be well over 1000 people to interview. But some administrators assumed that such wild tales must be true, because nobody ever heard of people who make up nonsense hoping to get a nice fat payoff, or just to provide a face-saving answer for why he transferred out of an Elite school having never even been named 3rd team QB and then on the portal was wanted by one above 1A (FCS).
And now we have more than 1000 former Northwestern athletes claiming no such stuff happened.
Hysteria turned into 'witch hunts' always has been a part of English-speaking Protestant culture and nations. The 'witch hunts' reflect whatever crazy politics that is either in charge or else is rising as well as increasingly irrational fears and the old human stand by of envy and covetousness. When heads finally cool, the 'witch hunts' always are revealed to have been insane. There probably are people at Northwestern today saying in their defense, 'Hey, we didn't burn anybody at the stake. And maybe we provided a warning somebody needed to make certain not to allow such hazing, so we actually did a good thing.'
Fitzgerald should sue his alma mater so much it considers going non-revenue sports.
You cannot prove or disprove such allegations within a few days or a week, even 2 weeks. If all that had been happening over that much time, there would be well over 1000 people to interview. But some administrators assumed that such wild tales must be true, because nobody ever heard of people who make up nonsense hoping to get a nice fat payoff, or just to provide a face-saving answer for why he transferred out of an Elite school having never even been named 3rd team QB and then on the portal was wanted by one above 1A (FCS).
And now we have more than 1000 former Northwestern athletes claiming no such stuff happened.
Hysteria turned into 'witch hunts' always has been a part of English-speaking Protestant culture and nations. The 'witch hunts' reflect whatever crazy politics that is either in charge or else is rising as well as increasingly irrational fears and the old human stand by of envy and covetousness. When heads finally cool, the 'witch hunts' always are revealed to have been insane. There probably are people at Northwestern today saying in their defense, 'Hey, we didn't burn anybody at the stake. And maybe we provided a warning somebody needed to make certain not to allow such hazing, so we actually did a good thing.'
Fitzgerald should sue his alma mater so much it considers going non-revenue sports.
not that I agree with everything, but you've spoken a lot of truth here. What I particularly appreciate is that you understand the nature of the beast. Human nature, social media, and the degradation of ethics in the media has turned us into a massive lynch mob.
First and foremost, don't trust anything the media reports when their primary objective isn't truth and accuracy, but to beat every other outlet to the punch with 'news'. Next thing to consider....the accuser is very often the guilty one. Third thing...the guilty might very probably cover his culpability by accusing the accuser of being the guilty one.
An accusation can become a full-blown witch hunt in the blink of a eye, and someone higher-up can get scapegoated almost as fast. WE should know the latter better than most. The truth of a matter is almost always veiled by the raw, rampant speculation that occurs right after an incident is reported. Even after the dust settles, I remain skeptical.
A special place in Hell waits for those who jump the gun and scapegoat an individual just to stop any possible blame from progressing up the ladder.
