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Would Bill Having an Illegitimate Son Be the End of Hillary's Campaign?

Cool. I'd like to see that Tebow helmet.

Why is purchasing a Tebow helmet illegal? Seems like that would be the type of momento a charity would want on display when potential donors were coming through the door.
 
If it's illegal - then charge him with a crime. If it's not illegal - then stop crying about it.

He's being investigated as we speak. If Clinton did anything illegal with her email set-up, charge her with a crime. If it's not illegal - then stop crying about it.

In her case, the law has spoken - not illegal - and you guys are STILL crying about it. So does it work both ways or not?
 
Why is purchasing a Tebow helmet illegal? Seems like that would be the type of momento a charity would want on display when potential donors were coming through the door.

And if that's what he did with it, no problem. Problem is he won't tell anyone what he did with it. One of the giant paintings of himself he purchased with foundation money was tracked to a bar in one of his resorts. That's a problem. You can't buy crap for yourself with money donated to your charity.

BTW, the Trump Foundation has no doors for potential donors to walk through. There's no office of any kind.
 
He's being investigated as we speak. If Clinton did anything illegal with her email set-up, charge her with a crime. If it's not illegal - then stop crying about it.

In her case, the law has spoken - not illegal - and you guys are STILL crying about it. So does it work both ways or not?

And this is what you don't get- no one ever thought she would be charged.

This is why Trump is winning and will be your next president- people have had enough of the corruption and it is common on both sides. I trust Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan no more than I trust Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and there are millions of people who feel quite the same.
 
He's being investigated as we speak. If Clinton did anything illegal with her email set-up, charge her with a crime. If it's not illegal - then stop crying about it.

I thought I was past the "I know you are but what am I" stage when I got past kindergarten.

In her case, the law has spoken - not illegal - and you guys are STILL crying about it. So does it work both ways or not?

I haven't been crying about her email case. But you grouped me in with the people who are by saying "you guys". I thought your crowd wasn't into generalizations like that? Might offend someone (which we all know is worse than killing someone).
 
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I thought I was past the "I know you are but what am I" stage when I got past kindergarten.

I haven't been crying about her email case. But you grouped me in with the people who are by saying "you guys". I thought your crowd wasn't into generalizations like that? Might offend someone (which we all know is worse than killing someone).


Seriously. People are putting the low taxes on par with the deleted emails.

Whose deleted emails?
 
Bottom line is that we have no idea how Trump will do when he is president.
That is exactly why I would never vote for him. Well, I have a long list of other reasons. But, I'm using your comment to give a clear example of why it makes no sense to use that rationale to vote for someone to be the president of the country. It's not just naive, it's dangerously naive with game-over potential.
 
Whose deleted emails?

Clinton's. You've still failed to show me crying about the email scandal. By saying that some people (as in, people other than myself) were putting Trump's issue on par with Clinton's issue - I was showing that they were trying to blow it up into as big of a deal as that was (which, whether you like it or not - it was a big deal even though she ultimately got let off the hook).

 
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That is exactly why I would never vote for him. Well, I have a long list of other reasons. But, I'm using your comment to give a clear example of why it makes no sense to use that rationale to vote for someone to be the president of the country. It's not just naive, it's dangerously naive with game-over potential.

Not even slightly naive. Eisenhower did pretty well and he had no experience as an elected official.

And I much prefer any downside of Trump's to Hillary. Hillary is guaranteed to get us into another war and subjugate our interests to those of her many benefactors.
 
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Not even slightly naive. Eisenhower did pretty well and he had no experience as an elected official.

Well, he ran WWII...worked diplomatically with foreign leaders...led the Council of Foreign Relations studying the economic implications of the Marshall Plan...served as the de facto Chairman of the Joint Chiefs for a while...served as the Supreme Commander of NATO...not really the same resume as Trump.
 
Well, he ran WWII...worked diplomatically with foreign leaders...led the Council of Foreign Relations studying the economic implications of the Marshall Plan...served as the de facto Chairman of the Joint Chiefs for a while...served as the Supreme Commander of NATO...not really the same resume as Trump.

And how much business experience did he have?

Heck, how much road building experience did he have? I'm going with little to none, yet the Interstate system seems to be a pretty good thing.

The experience that is most relevant to being President is Executive Experience, of which Trump has plenty and seems to be pretty good at it..

Hillary has some too and we can all look and see how well she did running the State Dept. Oh and she ran the White House- remember when she had the entire non-partisan travel office fired and brought up on charges, of which they were all exonerated? And then there was that time that Hillary stole $200k worth of White House china and furniture on the way out the door in 2001- I guess it was compensation for doing so well managing health care policy.

She's the most corrupt person to ever run for president and if she happens to cheat her way in (like she did over your boy Bernie), we are all screwed, unless some of you are managing partners for Goldman Sachs or Saudi Royal family.

Seriously THBB- how can you vote for Hillary after what she did to Bernie? If she hadn't stolen and cheated her way to the nomination, Bernie would be running away with this thing. Yet you intend reward Hillary for her treatment of Bernie by voting for her? That's sad.
 
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The experience that is most relevant to being President is Executive Experience, of which Trump has plenty and seems to be pretty good at it..

Including a net operating loss of 916 MILLION DOLLARS in 1995. That's the kind of experience our economy doesn't need.
 
Including a net operating loss of 916 MILLION DOLLARS in 1995. That's the kind of experience our economy doesn't need.

That's exactly the kind of experience we need. Give me someone who tried, failed, learned from his mistakes and rebounded like a champ to become a resounding success over someone who never tried at all.

And I would also say understanding how to operate while in a budget deficit and get the ship righted to operating at surplus could come in handy. We should try it.
 
Not even slightly naive. Eisenhower did pretty well and he had no experience as an elected official.

And I much prefer any downside of Trump's to Hillary. Hillary is guaranteed to get us into another war and subjugate our interests to those of her many benefactors.
I don't know that I'd put Trump in the same category as Eisenhower. However, in Eisenhower's case, we have the benefit of hindsight. But, just because Eisenhower's administration could be considered "good", I don't think that's convincing me that Trump's will be as successful, or successful at all.
 
And how much business experience did he have?

Heck, how much road building experience did he have? I'm going with little to none, yet the Interstate system seems to be a pretty good thing.
You don't need to actually build the roads yourself when you have combat engineers who do those things. You can just tell them where they're needed. Same with an interstate system. He didn't have to know how to build 'em, he just had to have the vision to understand that they would be a great economic boon to the country.
The experience that is most relevant to being President is Executive Experience, of which Trump has plenty and seems to be pretty good at it.
Perhaps. Ike's executive experience dwarfs Trumps. That's the only point being made
Hillary has some too and we can all look and see how well she did running the State Dept. Oh and she ran the White House- remember when she had the entire non-partisan travel office fired and brought up on charges, of which they were all exonerated? And then there was that time that Hillary stole $200k worth of White House china and furniture on the way out the door in 2001- I guess it was compensation for doing so well managing health care policy.
Billy Dale ran $68,000 in travel office money through his own bank account. He admitted it. The govt contended he used the money to do work on a lake house but couldn't show a link. Would that not warrant an investigation? What's interesting is that the travel staff serves at the pleasure of the president. Why would there be a problem with a president coming in and saying, "I'd like my own people in that position"? I guess I'm wondering why people who champion "right-to-work" laws which include the ability to fire for any - or no - reason at all would have any problem with this. What the Clintons should be taken to task for is handling it in such a ham-handed manner. Just say, "We'd prefer our own people." Would you have a problem with that?

Now, think about this question and let me know your answer. If you're going to "steal" $200,000 in furniture and geegaws, do you make a detailed itemized list of those items and publish it? Seriously? That's what led to the whole kerfuffle. Someone had gifted items to the Clintons but intended that they go to the WH. There was no solid record-keeping and presidents can take every gift they receive when they leave the WH. It was so bad that some of the things the Clintons returned were given back to them. How is that a scandal? They LISTED the items they planned to "steal"? But you guys had to cry "WOLF!" again and now...after years of screaming wolf - you can't understand when people yawn at the latest cries.
She's the most corrupt person to ever run for president and if she happens to cheat her way in (like she did over your boy Bernie), we are all screwed, unless some of you are managing partners for Goldman Sachs or Saudi Royal family.
Do you REALLY think Trump has it in for Goldman or the Saudis? The best part of this is that there is one person in Washington who truly has a bead on Wall Street and you guys demonize HER.
Seriously THBB- how can you vote for Hillary after what she did to Bernie? If she hadn't stolen and cheated her way to the nomination, Bernie would be running away with this thing. Yet you intend reward Hillary for her treatment of Bernie by voting for her? That's sad.

I'm not rewarding her for anything. Trump can never be allowed to sniff the WH. He's a dangerous, narcissitic buffoon who possesses not one ounce of self-control. Bernie understands this and I'm with Bernie.

Vote third party...don't vote...but anyone who votes for Trump for the sole purpose of keeping Clinton out of the WH needs therapy. Anyone who truly believes that Trump deserves to be the president needs commitment papers.
 
That's exactly the kind of experience we need. Give me someone who tried, failed, learned from his mistakes and rebounded like a champ to become a resounding success over someone who never tried at all.

And I would also say understanding how to operate while in a budget deficit and get the ship righted to operating at surplus could come in handy. We should try it.

Tried, failed, and learned from his mistakes? Are you kidding me?! Trump's list of failures goes well beyond his business ledger from that inauspicious year:

- A failed airline
- A failed line of vodka
- Failed casinos
- Multiple bailouts and bankruptcies
- Failed marriages and extramarital affairs
- The failure of Trump Mortgage
- Trump: The Game . . . FAIL!
- Manufacturing deals with China while condemning such practices . . . hypocritical failure

Add to these his complete ignorance over Middle East and foreign policy and we are talking about a four-year catastrophe if Trump is elected. You're a lot more forgiving than I am, ZeroZero. Of course I don't suffer fools gladly like you seem to do.

George Bush already proved to the world how dangerous it can be when we have an inept President making critical errors in judgment on the job. Do we really want to go through that all over again?
 
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If it's illegal - then charge him with a crime. If it's not illegal - then stop crying about it.
Or change the ridiculously complex tax code(the 2015 Federal Tax Code was 74,608 pages long). Either close the loopholes or go to a "fair tax" or even better, a consumption tax.

A question to all. If your tax accountant said he/she could reduce your taxes to zero, and that it was all perfectly legal and above board just by taking advantage of the way the tax code is written, how many of you would tell them no? I believe the answer to that question is none of you. By all means, simplify the tax code and close any loopholes that allow people to pay zero taxes through manipulation of said code. But don't blame anyone for taking advantage of the way they're written.

And I don't think Hillary wants to open the can of worms that is the Clinton Foundation.
 
George Bush already proved to the world how dangerous it can be when we have an inept President making critical errors in judgment on the job. Do we really want to go through that all over again?
Sort of like what we've been through the last 8 years? A man who was completely unprepared to be President who accumulated more National Debt than all his predecessors put together and who has further racially divided our country? You mean like that kind of guy?
 
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Sort of like what we've been through the last 8 years? A man who was completely unprepared to be President who accumulated more National Debt than all his predecessors put together and who has further racially divided our country? You mean like that kind of guy?

LOL...you're aware, of course, that the yearly deficit was cut by $1T (that's trillion) in six years, right? You're aware, of course, that as a percentage of the economy, the deficit is now down to just 2.5%, which is below the average of the past half-century, and down from 9.8% when the president took office.

BTW, that $1.4T deficit in 2009...that was bush's last budget. Can't put that on Obama. And while the debt HAS doubled under Obama, it nearly tripled under Reagan. The cons of the time were just fine with that.
 
You don't need to actually build the roads yourself when you have combat engineers who do those things. You can just tell them where they're needed. Same with an interstate system. He didn't have to know how to build 'em, he just had to have the vision to understand that they would be a great economic boon to the country..

So if all it takes is vision, why is anyone concerned with Trump's lack of political experience?

Perhaps. Ike's executive experience dwarfs Trumps. That's the only point being made

Trump has run a multi-billion dollar private sector corporation and managed large projects where people can't be given direct orders to comply- negotiation skills are needed. Ike's experience does not dwarf Trump.

Billy Dale ran $68,000 in travel office money through his own bank account. He admitted it. The govt contended he used the money to do work on a lake house but couldn't show a link. Would that not warrant an investigation? What's interesting is that the travel staff serves at the pleasure of the president. Why would there be a problem with a president coming in and saying, "I'd like my own people in that position"? I guess I'm wondering why people who champion "right-to-work" laws which include the ability to fire for any - or no - reason at all would have any problem with this. What the Clintons should be taken to task for is handling it in such a ham-handed manner. Just say, "We'd prefer our own people." Would you have a problem with that?

Nope, I would not have had a problem with that, but that's not what they do.
They lie, cheat, obfuscate and attack others as conspiracy nuts. And the job they put on Billy Dale shows what they will do to anyone who stands in their way.

What you call ham-handed, I call sleazy, corrupt and evil.

Now, think about this question and let me know your answer. If you're going to "steal" $200,000 in furniture and geegaws, do you make a detailed itemized list of those items and publish it? Seriously? That's what led to the whole kerfuffle. Someone had gifted items to the Clintons but intended that they go to the WH. There was no solid record-keeping and presidents can take every gift they receive when they leave the WH. It was so bad that some of the things the Clintons returned were given back to them. How is that a scandal? They LISTED the items they planned to "steal"?

No, they just thought that since they were the Clintons they could take whatever they wanted.

Do you REALLY think Trump has it in for Goldman or the Saudis? The best part of this is that there is one person in Washington who truly has a bead on Wall Street and you guys demonize HER.

I'm not rewarding her for anything. Trump can never be allowed to sniff the WH. He's a dangerous, narcissitic buffoon who possesses not one ounce of self-control. Bernie understands this and I'm with Bernie.

Vote third party...don't vote...but anyone who votes for Trump for the sole purpose of keeping Clinton out of the WH needs therapy. Anyone who truly believes that Trump deserves to be the president needs commitment papers.

Trump doesn't care one way or the other about the Saudis or Goldman Sachs unless they are screwing over Americans at large.And the Saudis and Bankers don't have any influence over him, whereas they own Hillary.

As far as Pocahontas- she's a fool.

You are rewarding her for screwing over your man.

And as far as Trump deserving the WH, that just depends on how the vote goes, doesn't it?
 
Sort of like what we've been through the last 8 years?

No, not at all like the last eight years. Beyond the calculations tarheelbybirth presents, there is something you cannot measure by monetary means alone. During the most senseless war in this country's history, 4,486 US troops were killed and over 35,000 returned home with injuries. Some half a million Iraqis died. By comparison, Obama is a saint.
 
No, not at all like the last eight years. Beyond the calculations tarheelbybirth presents, there is something you cannot measure by monetary means alone. During the most senseless war in this country's history, 4,486 US troops were killed and over 35,000 returned home with injuries. Some half a million Iraqis died. By comparison, Obama is a saint.
Mentioning Obama and the word Saint in the same sentence discredits anything you say. And in reality, all wars are senseless. Are you guys ever going to stop blaming Bush for all of our country's problems? After 8 years in office, does Obama not deserve any of the blame?
 
So if all it takes is vision, why is anyone concerned with Trump's lack of political experience?
Trump doesn't have that vision thing either, you know.
Trump has run a multi-billion dollar private sector corporation and managed large projects where people can't be given direct orders to comply- negotiation skills are needed. Ike's experience does not dwarf Trump.
Oh good grief, Ike's experience as Supreme Allied Commander in WWII alone dwarfs everything Trump has done. Only a true Trumpeteer would argue otherwise.
Nope, I would not have had a problem with that, but that's not what they do.
They lie, cheat, obfuscate and attack others as conspiracy nuts. And the job they put on Billy Dale shows what they will do to anyone who stands in their way.

What you call ham-handed, I call sleazy, corrupt and evil.
So the guy runs $68,000 of public money (that we know of) through his own bank account and kept sloppy books on top of that and he got jobbed by the Clintons?
No, they just thought that since they were the Clintons they could take whatever they wanted.
*sigh* This is your whole problem...you want to make some evil world domination scheme out of everything. They were ENTITLED to take everything that had been gifted to them over those eight years...you might not like it but it's the law.They made a detailed list of everything they were taking and turned it in. It was only when that list was published that one guy came forward and said, "No, that was a gift to the WH, not a personal gift to the Clintons." That information wasn't recorded anywhere so they had to go back and trace the provenance of every gift. The Clintons returned everything that was described as a gift to the WH...and then had items returned to them when those who gave them clarified their wishes.
Trump doesn't care one way or the other about the Saudis or Goldman Sachs unless they are screwing over Americans at large.And the Saudis and Bankers don't have any influence over him, whereas they own Hillary.
Trump doesn't care about Goldman...or Saudi Arabia...or the US...or anything that isn't named Donald Trump. So you got that right.
As far as Pocahontas- she's a fool.
See? Again?
You are rewarding her for screwing over your man.
LOL...So what's Bernie doing?
And as far as Trump deserving the WH, that just depends on how the vote goes, doesn't it?

No. Unless you're of the opinion that everyone always gets what they deserve.
 
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Please tell us you are moving to Mexico if Trump wins.
 
The funny thing about this is that 99.99% of the people bitching about his tax returns won't actually read them if he does release them.

Why would that be in any way relevant? Have you read the entire federal budget? The entire tax code?

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Correct people who are legally required to pay taxes pay them.


What's your definition of fair?

The problem here is not Trump, it's the tax code. It needs to be simplified.
My definition of fair is that everyone pays the same percentage of their taxable income as anyone else.Why should someone be penalized for working harde and being successful
 
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