6'9" power forward leaving the Hoyas

[keysersosay#1]

just saw this am that Isaac Copeland a 6'9 PF is leaving Georgetown...

He has had limited minutes due to injury and other factors...this season his best game was against MD,where he had 4 points and 13 rebounds.

I am sure the staff is aware of this player ...Is he a potential candidate for next season???? Correct me if I am wrong but if he leaves mid season he would be eligible to play beginning Jan of 18


he seems to be primarily a PF rebounder with limited OF skills

Thoughts??????

 

[RoseHeel]

From Raleigh, NC. We had a chance to offer this guy and didn't back in 2014. Dude shot up the charts not long afterwards.

Although I doubt Roy even gets involved, wouldn't he have to sit out a year? I don't really know how midseason transfers work.

 

[RoseHeel]

He'd be a perfect get. If we landed him, we'd have him for this year + 1 more year, and gives time for Maye or Huffman to turn into the next Hansbrough and Jamison.

 

[Archer2]

Here's a link on mid season transfers.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...all-midseason-list/1kvzrjhnva6co16vka4mif9m1v

 

[RoseHeel]

Here's a link on mid season transfers.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...all-midseason-list/1kvzrjhnva6co16vka4mif9m1v

So basically, if he comes and plays at UNC now, he'd play the rest of this season, start the 2017-18 season as a senior and have to sit out the first 10 games for the 2017-18 season?

And if he choses to sit out the rest of this season + the first 10 games of the next, he starts the 2017-18 season as a Junior?

Very convoluted. Sounds like the type of thing Roy would try to avoid. Though based on our recruiting, no need to be picky at this point.

 

[Archer2]

I interpreted it to say he'd have to sit out the rest of this year, plus the first 10 games of the 2017/2018 season. I may be wrong, it is pretty convoluted. Probably written by the same people who wrote our tax code.

 

[dadika13]

Not happening for us.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Transfers like this already know where their next stop is.

 

[Archer2]

I agree Mike.

 

[Ozheelfan]

I interpreted it to say he'd have to sit out the rest of this year, plus the first 10 games of the 2017/2018 season. I may be wrong, it is pretty convoluted. Probably written by the same people who wrote our tax code.

I think you're right here arch... miss the remainder of this season for sure.
Like mike said above, likely destination is already known.
All that said, I do like the idea of a grad transfer coming in next year to lend experience to the frontline.

 

[dukephysics]

Transfers like this already know where their next stop is.

I agree that you are probably right.
But how is this allowed? I don't think coaches are allowed to actively recruit players that are part of another program. So how is it that kids and coaches are allowed to have an understanding that if the kid transfers there is a spot for him at the new place? Shouldn't there be all kinds of red flags raised in these situations?

 

[mikeirbyusa]

What the dern NCAA should do and what they do are not the same.

 

[Archer2]

What the dern NCAA should do and what they do are not the same.

Amen there, Mike.

Plus, if a kid is very unhappy and lets his parents know, there's nothing to keep a kid's parent from contacting another school and discussing the possibility of his/her child transferring there. I might do the same thing were it my son. I do believe that I'd advise my son to finish the year, out of respect for the staff/university he's currently attending. As the article states, I see nothing to be gained by transferring mid season.

 

[RoseHeel]

Transfers like this already know where their next stop is.

Unless he tries to pull an Andrew White.

Amen there, Mike.

Plus, if a kid is very unhappy and lets his parents know, there's nothing to keep a kid's parent from contacting another school and discussing the possibility of his/her child transferring there. I might do the same thing were it my son. I do believe that I'd advise my son to finish the year, out of respect for the staff/university he's currently attending. As the article states, I see nothing to be gained by transferring mid season.

Based on his stats between last year & this year, his minutes were almost cut in half. I'd imagine that may have something to do with it.

Not sure why, as he did put up about 11 pts a game last season. Not to shabby on offense as one would think.

 

[Archer2]

If he stays at Georgetown the rest of this year, he could declare after this year('17). If he transfers now, sits out the rest of this season and the first 10 games of next season, he could get to the pros after the '18 season. Or he could finish the year at Georgetown, transfer, sit out next year and declare after playing the '19 season.

Any wonder why this crap is confusing to parents?

 

[DSouthr]

Not sure we would really want this kid, really was not playing well to begin with but to decide to transfer during the season like this is never a good omen.

 

[coryfly]

I think he kind of sucks.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I actually taught this kid in Middle School while I was still teaching. His height shot up quickly but he always had a pretty decent outside shot with perfect form. He is a little heavy footed so he needs some scheme help to get open, but he is smart and hard working. I don't think we will pursue him, and I really wonder why he is transferring now!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Not sure we would really want this kid, really was not playing well to begin with but to decide to transfer during the season like this is never a good omen.

Our experience with Voldemort is certainly cautionary. But not every kid who leaves early has to be a head case.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Am I correct in assuming he could theoretically come to UNC immediately (or to start the next semester) and practice with the team immediately, as well?

Then he'd be a mature player with a year's worth of knowledge of our system by the beginning of ACC play next year.

I like the sound of that. If we don't land Knox or Vanderbilt and Copeland hasn't committed yet, he sounds worth a hard look. Looks like he started as a soph and did well - but was pushed aside by a rising soph who was better the next year (this year).

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Another weird aside: Isaac had a habit of wearing sweatsuits to school. One day he would come in a Tar Heel suit and the next a puke suit! I never could get him to see the issue with this! (he liked the colors, lol)

 

[DSouthr]

Our experience with Voldemort is certainly cautionary. But not every kid who leaves early has to be a head case.

It isn't that he is leaving early, it is that he is leaving during the season. Very different perception if he stayed the rest of the season and then announced he would transfer. UNless there is something like a close family members health that makes him feel he has to be closer then not many other reasons are good things.

Here's a link on mid season transfers.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...all-midseason-list/1kvzrjhnva6co16vka4mif9m1v

The way Decoursey states it is very confusing, if a kid is going to transfer to a D-1 program he is going to miss games unless he is a graduate transfer, like Knox was for us. He can go to a lower than D-1 and play. Now it is very clear that if Copeland transfers to another D-1 program that he will have to sit out the remainder of this season. I believe he also has to sit out the same number of games next season that he has already played with GTown this season.

The rule says you cannot be eligible until you have established 1yr residence at that new school, right now Copeland has done that no place other than GTown, so he would have to first pick a program and become a student there before that 1yr residence requirement is met. There are some exceptions but any exception has to be granted by the NCAA and that is really sketchy but don't see how Copeland would be a canidate for an exception, at least based on what has been shared so far. I think the below link is a nit more clear but still leaves questions.

http://informedathlete.com/mid-year-transfer-reminders/

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

It isn't that he is leaving early, it is that he is leaving during the season. Very different perception if he stayed the rest of the season and then announced he would transfer. UNless there is something like a close family members health that makes him feel he has to be closer then not many other reasons are good things.

Whatever the reason, if you know you are leaving, why wait?

Obviously some reasons are better than others. I was just saying we shouldn't assume he's a head case.

 

[RoseHeel]

Whatever the reason, if you know you are leaving, why wait?

Obviously some reasons are better than others. I was just saying we shouldn't assume he's a head case.

Good Point. It's basically a waste of the staff's time if they're continuing to put in effort when you won't be there next season. Especially if you already know your mind's made up.

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

I'm confused who on our team is called voldwrmort who transferred in? Ld2? The wear twins? Mccants? None of these transferred in btw.

 

[DSouthr]

Whatever the reason, if you know you are leaving, why wait?

Obviously some reasons are better than others. I was just saying we shouldn't assume he's a head case.

Well it is just that unless you have no choice or there is a circumstance that is a very special case, you just don't walk out on your team during its season. Recall LD3 and how he was perceived for walking out on his team? It is just one of those things you don't do...

 

[Archer2]

Whatever the reason, if you know you are leaving, why wait? Obviously some reasons are better than others. I was just saying we shouldn't assume he's a head case.

I don't assume he's a head case. There are many valid reasons for wanting to transfer. But to transfer in the middle of the season is something that would cause a bit of hesitancy on my part. His PT has been cut by 50% this year. Here are his stats for the '16 season and his stats for '17 to date:

'16 33GP 31.8MPG 11.1PPG 5.4RPG 42.9%FG
'17 7of10GP 19.6MPG 5.4PPG 3.3RPG 27.5%FG

So his time has been reduced significantly and he hasn't even played in 3 of the 10 games they've played. I don't know if he's been injured, fallen out of favor with his coach, or just been displaced by a better player. But he wasn't putting up great numbers even when he was playing 31MPG. His FG% is horrendous this year and wasn't good the year before.

Perhaps he's simply not the player he was projected to be coming out of high school, that is very often the case. Or perhaps his discontent is affecting his play. Who knows?

 

[TPFKAPFS]

He is definitely NOT a head case. He is a smart and level headed young man from a stable and Upper Middle-Class family. I have spoken to his parents on multiple occasions and you couldn't meet more intelligent and considerate people.

If he is transferring in the middle of the year, his father would not support the decision if there was not a valid reason. This I would stake my reputation on!

Even when the likes of Roy and other celeb coaches were recruiting him, he still referred to adults as Sir or Ma'am and never showed even the slightest of improper attitude. I can't imaging he could change very much since then.

 

[Archer2]

Even when the likes of Roy and other celeb coaches were recruiting him, he still referred to adults as Sir or Ma'am and never showed even the slightest of improper attitude. I can't imaging he could change very much since then.

Increasingly rare these days, which makes it more impressive.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Yup. I am an administrator now and it is very rare to find a student with manners!

I'm a little surprised by this since the kid is a good kid and I can't imagine JTIII being a bad guy either.

 

[DSouthr]

He is definitely NOT a head case. He is a smart and level headed young man from a stable and Upper Middle-Class family. I have spoken to his parents on multiple occasions and you couldn't meet more intelligent and considerate people.

If he is transferring in the middle of the year, his father would not support the decision if there was not a valid reason. This I would stake my reputation on!

Even when the likes of Roy and other celeb coaches were recruiting him, he still referred to adults as Sir or Ma'am and never showed even the slightest of improper attitude. I can't imaging he could change very much since then.

TP, I am speaking more toward the appearance of the situation, I can't argue what kind of kid he is or family he comes from. But from the outside looking in it does not look good.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

It does indeed appear fishy; I was trying to stop the "head case" momentum since I actually knew the kid!

 

[2DDIMOND]

TP, I am speaking more toward the appearance of the situation, I can't argue what kind of kid he is or family he comes from. But from the outside looking in it does not look good.

Could be just a timing move in that he could play 2nd semester next season rather than waiting until the fall of 2018 to suit up again.