A Big Washington Jump Wouldn't be a First for Carolina
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I was on that wagon too. With good health he has a great pro career ahead !!I spent the ENTIRE season last season screaming that Jalen both needed and deserved more minutes. I did because I saw something not just once but multiple times that struck me as a weapon that VERY FEW if any defender in the college game could stop or even as much as hinder, that Jalen Washington jump shot! It is an absolute KILLER, it is because first he has a really extra sweet stroke,
Not really sure there's a good comparison with any of the former players cited .. Wash is somewhat unique imo.A Big Washington Jump Wouldn't be a First for Carolina
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I've seen BRob call him AD (likening him to Anthony Davis.)Not really sure there's a good comparison with any of the former players cited .. Wash is somewhat unique imo.
Not really sure there's a good comparison with any of the former players cited .. Wash is somewhat unique imo.
I see him as a Spencer Hawes type player. Both limited mobility. Both plus shooting bigs. Jalen has more nose for the ball than Hawes did.Not really sure there's a good comparison with any of the former players cited .. Wash is somewhat unique imo.
Of course we’re going to see a jump. He’s going to likely what…. triple his minutes from last year? (as long as he stays out of significant foul trouble) Unless his efficiency falls off a cliff, his production will increase a ton.
I don’t think that’s the question though. The question is can he anchor a Final Four team, which as of now has question marks in their frontcourt.
I don’t have the pro membership so I didn’t read this article in full. But for every player that took a jump at UNC, there some low minute players that stayed below average.
While I think Jalen Washington’s talent far surpasses Brandon Huffman, Joel James, Desmond Hubert’s… Those guys were zeroes and remained zeroes despite some optimism. People here were quick to point out when Joel James was listed on some mock drafts early on as a freshman. People here thought Brandon Huffman would become a starting-caliber big guy at UNC.
I think he’ll have a productive year assuming he can stay healthy and stay out of foul trouble. Does that mean he and his fellow big men are good enough to anchor this team to the Final Four? Right now I have my doubts.
But all subject to change until they play the games for real. Maybe he’s Dirk Nowitzki this season and just needed minutes all along. Maybe he can’t play more than 10 minutes because he remains a fouling machine. Maybe something in between.
So while a jump wouldn’t be a first at UNC. A “just a guy” year wouldn’t be a first at UNC either.
*reiterating that I didn’t read the article so hopefully didn’t take anything out of context.
I hope Wash finishes out his career like some of those UNC greats you named. If I had to pick I'd say Wash resembles Brice as much as anyone.alen's got some Ed Davis, John Henson, Brice Johnson, and Marvin Williams in him—emphasis on the 'some.' He’s like a sampler platter of UNC greatness!
Nah, Brice had elite athleticism and jumping ability. Dude was basically a pogo stick. Washington struggles jumping unless he gets a running start. Plus Brice only had a 6'11" wingspan, while Washington has a wingspan closer to Henson/Wright length.I hope Wash finishes out his career like some of those UNC greats you named. If I had to pick I'd say Wash resembles Brice as much as anyone.
He just needs to stop fouling so much and add enough muscle to hold off strong centers.He just needs to be solid not great.
This…Give us 12 and 7 and a block a game and we are good…He doesn’t have to average 20 and 10…He just needs to be solid not great.
“Chances of Cadeau not being all ACC at least (as a freshman) are very slim.”Chances are miniscule that he is "just a guy". Chances are great that he is a productive member of a team that makes a deep tourney run! All teams' have a low chance of making the FF right now no matter who is on their team! FF is not the standard for a quality starting BIg. I believe he can make an All ACC team with average improvement + drastic minutes increase. I think he will be pushed in practice and come out of the gate running. If he does begin the year fouling too much or not being able to hold his ground in the post, there are options. One is he and Lubin cross guard or switch 4/5 at will!
Per 40 minutes aren’t the best indicator of production (current or future) for low minute players.The jump means elevating quality of play. I have posted multiple times what his numbers are per-40 minutes.
Per 40 minutes aren’t the best indicator of production (current or future) for low minute players.
Brandon Huffman’s per 40 minute numbers:
Fr: 19.2 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 3.3 bpg
So: 18.5 ppg, 14.3 rpg
Even Joel James averaged 11.1 ppg, 11.6 rpg per 40 as a senior.
Jalen Washington is obviously significantly more talented and better than those 2. And I’m expecting him to have a productive year. I’m just saying the per 40 stuff can be extremely skewed for a player that plays low volume minutes.
But you have to take into consideration the moments said player logs their minutes. Pretty sure Huff was mostly mop up and Wash played consistently every game.Per 40 minutes aren’t the best indicator of production (current or future) for low minute players.
Brandon Huffman’s per 40 minute numbers:
Fr: 19.2 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 3.3 bpg
So: 18.5 ppg, 14.3 rpg
Even Joel James averaged 11.1 ppg, 11.6 rpg per 40 as a senior.
Jalen Washington is obviously significantly more talented and better than those 2. And I’m expecting him to have a productive year. I’m just saying the per 40 stuff can be extremely skewed for a player that plays low volume minutes.
Huffman was a mop up garbage time big at UNC. You can move the goalposts if you want because he started at a much lower level.20+ minutes as the starter on the #1 team should get you on one of the All ACC teams. Did Huffman make the 4 years? He also became All conference for the Ohio Valley which is a step down but always sends multiple teams to the dance even though he fought through knee injuries. And he averaged double figures so I think he would have contributed! EC :
All-Rookie Team
Markus Burton, Notre Dame, 73 votes
Jared McCain, Duke, 73
Carlton Carrington, Pitt, 65
Baye Ndongo, Georgia Tech, 60
Elliot Cadeau, North Carolina, 39
So it appears both were correct and I'll take your graceful apology! The only true statement made was past performance is not predictive! I categorize my takes as informed AND optimistic while yours are pessimistic and seldom take the chance for improvement into consideration!
“Chances of Cadeau not being all ACC at least (as a freshman) are very slim.”
- @TPFKAPFS
“I expect him [Brandon Huffman] to improve every year with a chance to be starter level (I’m assuming this meant at UNC) in 4 years.”
- @TPFKAPFS
Maybe Washington has an awesome year though, who knows. I’m not saying past cold takes provide any predictive value either way.
I do think the odds of Washington being an all conference big are pretty small because he probably isn’t going to log 27+ minutes that traditional all conference bigs play. 20 MPG would be a drastic minutes increase for him.
That’s absolutely true. And I’ve said I think Jalen Washington will be productive this season. I have big picture doubts about him but I think he’ll have a productive season.But you have to take into consideration the moments said player logs their minutes. Pretty sure Huff was mostly mop up and Wash played consistently every game.
Edit to say sorry, just saw where Andrew replied.
It’s the offseason so it’s time to be optimistic. But I agree. If the positivity surrounding Washington and High (and everyone else) is real then 14/1 on them to win it all is an unreal value, lol.If Washington turns out to be the player some are posting about we are going to win the title this year.
I see wash doing some good things but I’m not sold on high as of yet. He did look tons better in the few scrimmages we saw. Would be nice to see that against some good competition for sure.It’s the offseason so it’s time to be optimistic. But I agree. If the positivity surrounding Washington and High (and everyone else) is real then 14/1 on them to win it all is an unreal value, lol.
I just remain skeptical about this front line.
So "IF" James, Huffman, and Hubert were "zeros" as you label them, and as you say Jalen is much better than they were, why continue to evoke their names in reference to Jalen? You say you expect Jalen to have a very improved season and yet you question if he can "anchor" a final 4 team? Maybe you need to define "anchor" , it is as if you suggest the kid has to be Montross, Rasheed, or Big Brad for UNC to get to the final 4?Of course we’re going to see a jump. He’s going to likely what…. triple his minutes from last year? (as long as he stays out of significant foul trouble) Unless his efficiency falls off a cliff, his production will increase a ton.
I don’t think that’s the question though. The question is can he anchor a Final Four team, which as of now has question marks in their frontcourt.
I don’t have the pro membership so I didn’t read this article in full. But for every player that took a jump at UNC, there some low minute players that stayed below average.
While I think Jalen Washington’s talent far surpasses Brandon Huffman, Joel James, Desmond Hubert’s… Those guys were zeroes and remained zeroes despite some optimism. People here were quick to point out when Joel James was listed on some mock drafts early on as a freshman. People here thought Brandon Huffman would become a starting-caliber big guy at UNC.
I think he’ll have a productive year assuming he can stay healthy and stay out of foul trouble. Does that mean he and his fellow big men are good enough to anchor this team to the Final Four? Right now I have my doubts.
But all subject to change until they play the games for real. Maybe he’s Dirk Nowitzki this season and just needed minutes all along. Maybe he can’t play more than 10 minutes because he remains a fouling machine. Maybe something in between.
So while a jump wouldn’t be a first at UNC. A “just a guy” year wouldn’t be a first at UNC either.
*reiterating that I didn’t read the article so hopefully didn’t take anything out of context.
You want Jalen Washington shooting 10-15 shots per game. Fine if you think his offensive game is worthy of that. But just for comparison, Tyler Hansbrough averaged 13.7 FGA in his junior year (a career high).So "IF" James, Huffman, and Hubert were "zeros" as you label them, and as you say Jalen is much better than they were, why continue to evoke their names in reference to Jalen? You say you expect Jalen to have a very improved season and yet you question if he can "anchor" a final 4 team? Maybe you need to define "anchor" , it is as if you suggest the kid has to be Montross, Rasheed, or Big Brad for UNC to get to the final 4?
I will answer your question however, "IF" Jalen goes to that jumper consistently while still of course adding in the typical big man items, rebounds stick backs, passing to him on a hard cut to the rim, ect. Personally, I want to see him taking 10-15 shots a game and maybe 10 of those be jumpers. IF he does that, the reason that he can "anchor" a final 4 team is the effect his taking and hitting those jumpers has on everyone else. .
Eh, you’re entitled to your opinion about me and that’s fine. But I don’t think I’m being overly negative. I’ve said time and time again that I think Washington and Cadeau will have productive seasons.I said All ACC and I meant it! He made one of the teams and will make one his year! The real issue is why you feel the need to constantly denigrate peeps who sacrificed, bled, and worked their arses off to play for the Heels! Huffman and JWash have no comparison other than both being Bigs at UNC. I believe in our coaching staff's ability to develop peeps so they maximize their potential and I believe one more year would have done so for Huff! Spending time trying to point out how terrible Huff and the others you mentioned were is despicable! Changing your name does not change the fact that you are 100% negative all the time!
EC will be All ACC 1st or 2nd team and JWash will prove an important cog on a very successful team! I have no issue with missing a little on these statements as long as both of them are close to what I predicted. I know of only one human who ever got every prediction correct and I spend most of my life trying to live up to His example!
Honest question for you. Do you think wash would have fouled just as much, knowing he had to be on the court longer, or was needed to be in the game?Washington averaged 6.6 fouls per 40 minutes last season.
Lubin averaged 2.9 fouls per 40 minutes.
One guy currently knows how to play without fouling, and it isn't JWash.
Yes, please begin taking yourself less seriously. Consider that you researched and linked TP’s commentBut I get it too. This is a message board. And I’m sure the people who cover the teams need some content to write about so they’ll make way too early predictions.
So maybe I could take myself a little less seriously.
He wasn't out there hammering people to stop easy scores. He wasn't intentionally using his fouls. A big man would bully him under the basket and draw fouls on him. Or he'd get off balance and hit a guy.Honest question for you. Do you think wash would have fouled just as much, knowing he had to be on the court longer, or was needed to be in the game?
All good info but you failed to answer the question. It’s easy I promise. I feel he could have tamed some of those fouls even in the situations you painted if he knew he couldn’t come out, or had to be depended on. Even then I would imagine he’ll be better at some of those things you pointed out.He wasn't out there hammering people to stop easy scores. He wasn't intentionally using his fouls. A big man would bully him under the basket and draw fouls on him. Or he'd get off balance and hit a guy.
This isn't Zayden High, who moves his feet pretty well, and you can argue some of his fouls were intentional. Washington legitimately struggles moving laterally, and often finds himself off-balance and falling down. He has major work to do on the defensive side of the ball (and in the weight room.)