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hear me out now............. it just came to me listening to sports radio here in DC.. the host is a HUGE HUGE MD fan and grad. MD fans are absolutely GIDDY with joy at what Turgeon has done with that team. NO ONE repeat NO ONE thought they would be 26-5 and now ranked 8th.

Turgeon can flat out recruit..... he is relentless at it and is pure BBALL all the time.... just buries his head in gyms looking for talent.

He has gotten first rate talent in guys like Trimble who will probably be the ROY this year in the BiG Ten


Oh BTW did I mention he PLAYED for ROY?????? LOVES ROY, owes all his success to ROY and is as close to ROY as anyone in coaching
BTW he GOT the MD because of...................ROY who STRONGLY recommended him for it.

SO........... think ahead a little say 5 years down the road...Roy decides he is gonna retire. He wants to continue the Carolina excellence that WILL survive despite all the ish we are dealing with


Turgeon IMO will ONLY leave MD for a couple of jobs...Kansas of course and IF ROY comes to him and says Mark I want YOU to succeed me at Carolina



Turgeon takes the job IMO .....there is no way he turns down his mentor and former coach...just like Roy could not turn DES down


Just a thought but stranger things have happened IMO.

I could be very happy with Turgeon as RW's successor.

Discuss
This post was edited on 3/9 12:54 PM by keysersosay#1
 
Originally posted by keysersosay#1:

hear me out now............. it just came to me listening to sports radio here in DC.. the host is a HUGE HUGE MD fan and grad. MD fans are absolutely GIDDY with joy at what Turgeon has done with that team. NO ONE repeat NO ONE thought they would be 26-5 and now ranked 8th.

Turgeon can flat out recruit..... he is relentless at it and is pure BBALL all the time.... just buries his head in gyms looking for talent.

He has gotten first rate talent in guys like Trimble who will probably be the ROY this year in the BiG Ten


Oh BTW did I mention he PLAYED for ROY?????? LOVES ROY, owes all his success to ROY and is as close to ROY as anyone in coaching
BTW he GOT the MD because of...................ROY who STRONGLY recommended him for it.

SO........... think ahead a little say 5 years down the road...Roy decides he is gonna retire. He wants to continue the Carolina excellence that WILL survive despite all the ish we are dealing with


Turgeon IMO will ONLY leave MD for a couple of jobs...Kansas of course and IF ROY comes to him and says Mark I want YOU to succeed me at Carolina



Turgeon takes the job IMO .....there is no way he turns down his mentor and former coach...just like Roy could not turn DES down


Just a thought but stranger things have happened IMO.

I could be very happy with Turgeon as RW's successor.

Discuss

This post was edited on 3/9 12:54 PM by keysersosay#1
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I 100% approve of this post. ACC BB > Big Ten BB. And Maryland doesn't belong in Big Ten anyway. This sounds like our best option from who we could realistically lure from guys outside the UNC family, and frankly I don't see anybody inside the family (Hubert, Ford, etc) that I'd pick over what you described Turgeon's "whole coaching package" he offers.
 
Not bad at all! And, I think he and Roy are good friends. I dunno how that would affect or play-out, but I would be very pleased to have Turgeon be the replacement. I'm not sure he's eager to leave Maryland at all, however.
 
I'll offer an up and coming coach, Kevin Keats, that may be worth watching when Roy decides it is time.
Has has ties with Pittino, but the guy can coach. He is 42 and with a few years of seasoning,
may be ready.

Kevin Keats
 
we will see what the next few years hold for MD , but I KNOW he has already signed a VERY VERY good guard form my old HS here in DC.

He may NOT be eager to leave MD ... was ROY eager to leave Kansas??? ah NO it took DES to ASK him to come to Carolina. The same scenario could unfold here....

K I M Carolina, Dook Kansas KY and maybe a few others are DESTINATION jobs. I simply do not believe MD is one of those schools.
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The fellow at UNCW sounds like a good pick BUT you NEED a BIG TIME and I mean BIG TIME head coach with PROVEN experience recruiting and coaching against the BEST


Turgeon offers all of that and with 5 more years of experience his résumé will only be enhanced
 
NO.

Turgeon has already raised eyebrows in coaching circles in a bad way.
Suffice to say there are loud questions out there concerning his recruiting activities.
 
I want Brad Stevens to come to Carolina ! He is my first choice. Then maybe Mark Few, then the guy at Iowa St. , then maybe Miller at Arizona , then maybe Greg Marshall.
 
Since we already have a HOF Coach who has indicated nothing about retiring, the idea of discussing his replacement is borderline idiotic.
 
Originally posted by keysersosay#1:

The fellow at UNCW sounds like a good pick BUT you NEED a BIG TIME and I mean BIG TIME head coach with PROVEN experience recruiting and coaching against the BEST


Turgeon offers all of that and with 5 more years of experience his résumé will only be enhanced
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Would be nice to get a coach with Big Time experience, but remember what happened when
Roy didn't come the first time that he was asked. UNC was left looking around for plan B
and settled on Doherty. Getting a high profile coach to take the job won't be easy. You
don't want to replace a Legend and most won't need the money. Keats may not be the
answer, but he will be a hot property within the next 5 years. He recruited most of
the players that Louisville has had in the past few years.
 
I'm down for Brad Stevens. I'm a Celtics fan, and he's currently getting that team to play much better than they should be (to everyone's dismay, as they might actually make the playoffs when they should be doing the NBA special: TANK!!).
 
when this day does happen, we need a clean break.

the biggest problem with brad stevens is timing...he might be gone as early as next year.
 
Originally posted by gteeitup:

Originally posted by gary-7:
Originally posted by gteeitup:
when this day does happen, we need a clean break.
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1000% false.
Typical that a poster like you would say something that friggin dumb.
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elaborate, clown.
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I know we are all FRAZZLED right now guys but knock off the name-calling. Been a long tuff emotional season and it ain't over yet, remember we all TAR HEELS in all this.
 
Originally posted by GoNtheDistance:
Brad Stevens
Shaka smart
Jay wright


In that order
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2 out of 3 ain't bad.

I'm sorry, but I'm not all that impressed by Shaka Smart. VCU is a nice little team. But it's almost like their run of dominating their league is over. He'd have to win the A10 every year and make another Final Four run for me to get interested.

I don't know exactly what gtee meant when he said we need a clean break. But if he's saying we need to look outside the family, I'm in complete agreement. The list for me goes like this (not necessarily in this order):

Billy Donovan - probably wouldn't leave Florida
Jay Wright - I think we could get him but he's been an underperformer in NCAA
Brad Stevens - like him a lot but timing could be bad
Bruce Pearl - I think we could get him and I like the guy despite his suspect history - talk about energizing our fanbase...
Hoiberg - never leaving ISU for another college job
Sean Miller - probably wouldn't leave Zona
Turgeon - Not sure he'd do it but I think I could support that
Few - not completely sold here
Gregg Marshall - way ahead of Shaka Smart in my book of up and comers
Krystkowiak - bright young mind but need to see more
 
No to Turgeon. We can do better than him. He should be a candidate but a few names down the list. Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart and Sean Miller should all be ahead of Turgeon.
 
The question is going to be, how good of a Coach can UNC get to take over in the middle of sanctions ....those choices will likely be few. IMO, Roy will retire sometime in the next few years once the NCAA shoe drops. However, the last time UNC hired a HC in that situation (1961) it worked out pretty well
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Hard. I wasn't real sure until the Syracuse decision came down. 20+ years of academic cheating (plain and simple, regardless of who knew what) is not going to get a pass from the NCAA. That's all I'm willing to say on here.
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I hear ya dude, sorry, just being realistic ....it's gonna be ugly and long lasting. And honestly, given what went on, the program deserves it. I will not be at all surprised if the 2005 title is vacated. Pretty sure 2009 will stand though.
 
Do not really want Turgeon… I just want ROY gone. The more and more i think about it. He just doesn't have it. He needs too much to win.
 
E-Town, Notg trying to be a arse by my reply but your list is a list similar to
Originally posted by ElizabethtownHeel:
I want Brad Stevens to come to Carolina ! He is my first choice. Then maybe Mark Few, then the guy at Iowa St. , then maybe Miller at Arizona , then maybe Greg Marshall.
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what I see a lot, so I kind want to speak to it. Before I dom I address posts like this as nothing more than purely for the exercise of discussion because I don';t think Roy is nearly ready to step down, I think this as a real discussion is at least 5 yrs to soon. But for the pure discussion of it I submit:

Brad Stevens, I agree but 2 real problems exist, first, not sure he will ever come back to the college game from the NBA. But second, whispers that reallay should be listened to are that Brad may be interested in the duke job the day K steps away. It would be a really bad decision for him, you don't just step in for a hall of famer at the level of K, you are much better off being the guys that takes over for the guy that about to be run out of town by pitch forks when he was not able to maintain that program at the level that K leaves it. Roy was much better off not taking our gig when Gut stepped down and yet Roy STILL sufferes from comparison to Dean. A similar thing is going to happen with duke when K steps down, no ione is goingto be able to replace K seamlessly so who ever takes that job is a dead man walking coaching wise. But frankly, I am not sure Brad wil EVER come back to the college game, why would he, no worries about recruiting means he doesn't have to work 24/7/365/

Mark Few maybe, could be a worse choice but I see Few as happy and comfortable where he is, not in a pressure cooker, he gets to be the big fish in a smaller pond and I thik that may suit him real well and it isn;t like he makes minimum wage at that Zaga zig.

Hoieberg, really like him as a coahc but he has long and very deep Iowa roots, so deep in fact that I am not sure he is interested in leaving them and sometimes it isn't about the $$$. I mean, when ya got a lot and ya get some more it is just some more to go with th elot ya already have, but we could for darn sure do worse and from your list maybe the guy I would prefer.

Miller, I get the allure cause he does get a lot of talent at zona but maybe ya don't want to ask how, whispers are it isn't exactl;y what I want at UNC. But even further, Miller does get really great talent but I am not really all that impressed with the results from that talent. For example, you put Tarc on our team right now and I am thinking national title is a real possiblilty. IU mean Kalipar may cheat buit at least when he cheats he forms them in to title contenders, if yas goona cheat to get then you really need to win with them and win the final game played each season.
 
bleed I like you and know that you are wired in a lot there...but and I am NOT putting my Carolina blue glasses on in this Really the infractions directly related to BBall at Syracuse were HORRIFIC and many think they got off lightly

It is pointless to go over them at this point but the thing that Carolina suffers from is the LENGTH of the ACADEMIC problems .... 20 +years of ACADEMIC corruption with NO supervision by ACADEMIC people that were directly responsible and simply looked the other way and did NOTHING to supervise this dept.


I am in NO way saying that we do Not deserve or should not get a severe punishment I think vacated wins( NOT TITLES)scholly reductions etc , are clearly on the table and they will hurt ...as you may know I have been saying that they already have hurt us big time with Roy saying that they have cost us perhaps 6 players..Sorry I just do not see any banners coming down and if the penalties are as severe as you feel they will be, including taking down the banner,..I would take the NCAA to court immediately

KIM the Syracuse stuff started in 2001 and they won it all in 2003 yet the NCAA did NOT vacate their title with far more DIRECT BASKETBALL infractions. led by their head coach.
 
Originally posted by gunslingerdick:


I don't know exactly what gtee meant when he said we need a clean break. But if he's saying we need to look outside the family, I'm in complete agreement.

Brad Stevens - like him a lot but timing could be bad
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it's exactly what i meant...i'm all for roy being part of the process, but disapprove of him creating the list, interviewing, and selecting the candidate...i know politics will play a part, but i hope it's minimized.
 
The idea of wanting to replace your HOF coach for someone who's never won a thing amazes me. Look at what Donavan and Izzo have done lately. If this is a down swing then we have nothing to complain about. I dread the day Roy hangs it up. It's a good thing the internet wast pervasive during Dean's day or some of you would look really foolish for what you said about him.
 
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Originally posted by bleeduncblue:
I hear ya dude, sorry, just being realistic ....it's gonna be ugly and long lasting. And honestly, given what went on, the program deserves it. I will not be at all surprised if the 2005 title is vacated. Pretty sure 2009 will stand though.
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Bleed, even though the news you brought was tough to hear, it is refreshing to hear from a realist. Too many want to bury their head in the sand and pretend nothing happened. I have felt all along the basketball program will get hit. No way the NCAA can avoid it.
 
Bleederblue, why so pessimistic? The NCAA has NOT EVER taken back an NCAA Title in basketball! Why would they start with UNC?? Additionally, if you are paying ANY attention at all then you would know that even though Syracuse had wins taken, all of the way back to 2001 (and 2002 as well) the NCAA DID NOT take back the Syracuse National Championship in 2003... For them to start a brand new trend with UNC would probably bring about a lawsuit of epic proportion (jmho). Move onward, our NCAA Titles are safe ...
 
Originally posted by RP12:
The idea of wanting to replace your HOF coach for someone who's never won a thing amazes me. Look at what Donavan and Izzo have done lately. If this is a down swing then we have nothing to complain about. I dread the day Roy hangs it up. It's a good thing the internet wast pervasive during Dean's day or some of you would look really foolish for what you said about him.
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I don't think but a very small few really want Roy to up and leave tomorrow. But we all have to recognize that he's getting long in the tooth and you know Roy, he doesn't like a lot of the aspects of his job. It's not being a bad fan to simply discuss the possibilities with his retirement imminent. I give Roy 6 more years - max. Honestly, I think it's closer to 4.

And I completely agree that Roy's down swing is an upswing for many of the coaches we're discussing. We are indeed a spoiled fanbase. I admit that. I own it. But UNC basketball created this monster. It's not going to change. Downswings shouldn't happen at UNC. So let that be a warning to the next man in. Accept the UNC job at your own peril. Many of us are unrealistic. But the next guy coming in will know that from the jump - just like Roy did. It is what it is.
 
Originally posted by ChapelHeeled:




Bleederblue, why so pessimistic? The NCAA has NOT EVER taken back an NCAA Title in basketball! Why would they start with UNC?? Additionally, if you are paying ANY attention at all then you would know that even though Syracuse had wins taken, all of the way back to 2001 (and 2002 as well) the NCAA DID NOT take back the Syracuse National Championship in 2003... For them to start a brand new trend with UNC would probably bring about a lawsuit of epic proportion (jmho). Move onward, our NCAA Titles are safe ...
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The NCAA has also NOT EVER encountered a 20+ year academic cheating scandal, so all bets are off, in my opinion. Like the Penn State situation, they had no precedent to follow ... and as we've now seen, they acted beyond what they were allowed to do and have backpeddled to some degree. That's partly why it's taking so long for them to rule ... virgin territory in many ways.

You call it pessimism, I call it realism. All I'm saying is, get ready.
 
bleed I hear ya believe me but there has to be a BASIS ,a LEGAL basis for what you think they will do. NO I am NOT NOT NOT saying that all is well or we will be ok .Far from it. But the NCAA has to SHOW WHO ,WHAT, WHERE WHEN

If you read the Syracuse info it is VERY specific with Boeheim in charge of a lot of garbage that went on there...hence HIS suspension etc...

That is why they got hit so hard HE... the HEAD BBALL coach was directing things


I can find nothing remotely close to that in our case. Roy or Butch were no more in control of the AFAM dept then you or I

A further point

the NCAA really is looking at THREE things..... mens BBall Football and womens BBALL

Boxhill just resigned form womens bball and she has REALLY looked very bad in all of this ..calling Crowder and asking for grade adjustments etc...

The football program..which was FAR more shady in ITS dealings with Crowder than BBALL, has just hired Chizik and had a decent recruiting class... a SHOCK to me given all the negative stuff out there and the absolute WAR that opposing coaches and recruiters are waging against Carolina.

In a post I asked a few weeks ago what do THEY know that we don't??? WHY would a ChIzik come here? Why would ANY repeat ANY four star or muti star athlete come here with all that is out there and the potential sanctions hanging MUCH more over football than BBall??


Look to repeat myself AGAIN I am EXPECTING to get hit hard VERY hard as mentioned above. But the NCAA despite what many think/believe or want to happen simply cannot "do whatever it wants" They do have a certain level of proof and FACTS.... a threshold that has to be met

They will hammer us no doubt but I do not see any banners coming down JMHO
 
Originally posted by bleeduncblue:
Hard. I wasn't real sure until the Syracuse decision came down. 20+ years of academic cheating (plain and simple, regardless of who knew what) is not going to get a pass from the NCAA. That's all I'm willing to say on here.
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You may be right but the last time you made a BOLD statement. He went to Kansas. You could be wrong again.
 
Keyser --- to answer your question relating to football. From what I know I don't expect the NCAA to hit the football program with any further sanctions. They're going to zero in on the bball program. That's why Chizik is here and they continue to recruit well.

Honestly it *appears* that Roy is as connected to the crap with his players as anything Boheim did. Roy brought Walden with him from KU and Burgess McSwain had been with the program from way back into Dean's time ... the relationships between coaching staff and academic tutoring staff were wide and deep and had been for a VERY long time. One recruiting class ... three or four years ... sure, maybe only a couple folks behind the scenes knew. But TWENTY or more years. C'mon. Let's use common sense.

Perhaps the banners will stay ... like I said, it's just my opinion based on what I've been told and able to "read between the lines."
 
Originally posted by geo1464:
Originally posted by bleeduncblue:
Hard. I wasn't real sure until the Syracuse decision came down. 20+ years of academic cheating (plain and simple, regardless of who knew what) is not going to get a pass from the NCAA. That's all I'm willing to say on here.
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You may be right but the last time you made a BOLD statement. He went to Kansas. You could be wrong again.
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Assume you're talking about Wiggins ... you conveniently forget that I said 2 weeks before he announced that Pinson (I was told) was coming to the Hill. I know it's human nature to only remember the bad stuff ... just defending myself a bit.
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Given what is plain FACT (Wainstain Report, etc) .. I'll actually be a little embarrassed if UNC somehow does not get punished. We would ALL be PISSED if dook went through this and nothing happened to Kay or the program. I can be objective, even when it's gonna suck!
 
don't believe what you read about the ncaa killing any program or taking any banner...the sky isn't falling as far as that goes.

but, if you'd rather think negative to be happily surprised, go ahead.
 
Originally posted by bleeduncblue:

Originally posted by geo1464:
Originally posted by bleeduncblue:
Hard. I wasn't real sure until the Syracuse decision came down. 20+ years of academic cheating (plain and simple, regardless of who knew what) is not going to get a pass from the NCAA. That's all I'm willing to say on here.
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You may be right but the last time you made a BOLD statement. He went to Kansas. You could be wrong again.
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Assume you're talking about Wiggins ... you conveniently forget that I said 2 weeks before he announced that Pinson (I was told) was coming to the Hill. I know it's human nature to only remember the bad stuff ... just defending myself a bit.
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Given what is plain FACT (Wainstain Report, etc) .. I'll actually be a little embarrassed if UNC somehow does not get punished. We would ALL be PISSED if dook went through this and nothing happened to Kay or the program. I can be objective, even when it's gonna suck!
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Not my point i have always appreciated your information. But no one knows for sure right now.
Also dook has gotten away with scandal in the past.
 
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