ACC Tourney 2017
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I'm probably jinxing them, but I have a feeling this one will be closer than people think. Duke has shown a pattern of playing to the level of their competition, and being away from home won't help those matters.
That sounds about right.
Hopefully a Tiger player will cold-cock gayson allen on the way out.
It will definitely be one team having everything to play for and the other team having very little to play for.
Despite their mid- to late-season collapse, if Clemson beats Duke today, they're (almost assuredly) in the NCAAT. If they lose, they're out.
You'd think so, but Lunardi said last night that if Clemson upsets Duke, they're in.
Weird that he would say that. His bracket yesterday has them as a next four out. I don't think a win against duke would make them jump five teams. Given their 6-12 conference record and 1-8 record against top 25 teams, I'd be more than willing to bet they don't make it.
Lunardi pisses me off. I understand the ratings draw that he brings to ESPN, but the entire concept of salivating over mediocre bubble teams leaves too much to be desired for my taste. I get it -- the whole idea of the "little guy" getting a chance to swim in the deep end is enticing for casual fans hoping for a miracle upset, but the fact remains that these teams...SUCK. There is a reason they are on the bubble. Don't celebrate that. And those upsets...99% of the time, the team upset might have a more household name than IUPUI, but they are extremely flawed, and the Selection Committee knows this -- they put household names in that #5 slot on purpose...they KNOW there is a decent chance of them falling flat on their faces.
The entire thing is a sham...just tell me when Carolina plays.
F it...I guess I'll be glued to the screen for every game, hoping beyond hope for Duke to be that highly seeded team to fall. But it's still a ratings scam, entertaining or not.
The entire thing is a sham...just tell me when Carolina plays.
F it...I guess I'll be glued to the screen for every game, hoping beyond hope for Duke to be that highly seeded team to fall. But it's still a ratings scam, entertaining or not.
Pretty much all of this post is a fail.
We found someone more jaded than me.
Just telling you what the man said. Neutral and road wins count more than home wins, so Clemson notching a neutral court win against a Top 15 team would be enough to jump them from "next four out" to "last four in" I reckon.
I'm not saying I don't believe you. Just seems weird that he would make that change. I just can't imagine someone 6-12 in the conference getting an invite. It's pretty rare for anyone below .500 in any conference to get an invite. Hopefully we will find out if he's right.
Yeah I haven't understood the Clemson love at all this season, with respect to them still being a "last four in" despite losing game after game down the stretch.
I'll admit to being jaded on a lot of things, but not this. Celebrating being the Last Four In is merely a participation trophy. Let's call it what it is here.
Maybe it's an attempt to appeal to the huge, rabid football fan base. Clemson fans couldn't care less about basketball.
I think Clemson and Wake are both better than their records. Clemson's last 5 losses (Cuse, @ Duke, @ Miami, @ VT, FSU) were by a combined 12 points, with a total of 9 ACC losses coming by 6 or less (total point margin in those games was 25, an average of 2.7 per game). If they win just half of those games, they go 10-8. Similar situation with Wake, they had 6 ACC losses by 7 or less. If they win half of those, they go 12-6 and might have a double bye. Obviously, I realize these are hypothetical situations, but both of these teams were close to being good this year, they were basically in every game they played.
As I said before, I don't feel good about playing Miami. It wouldn't shock me at all if they jumped out early on us tomorrow.
...and if they do jump ahead early on us tomorrow, it wouldn't shock me at all if Ol' Roy decides to rotate a bit and acquiesce. Gain some extra rest for the Big Dance.
WF finished at 9-9 in the conference, so I think you can go ahead and call them good. I think there is a good chance they make the tournament.
Has the ACCT really lost that much of its luster...? I still love it. Not a peep about it on Radar so I started a thread.
I'm not sure how to feel about tomorrow's game. Obviously it would be great to bring home the trophy, but I think we will get a one seed regardless. Is bringing home the trophy and getting the bragging rights more important than the extra rest? I'm not sure.
I think they make the tournament, I guess when I said "good" I meant better than .500 and 10th place. If they could have closed out some of those games (especially Duke at home), they had an outside chance at a top 5 finish. If they can do that next year and Collins returns, I think they could finish among the top 5-6
That's because they aren't real fans.
I enjoy it, but I really only watch the Carolina games. I'll pay attention to some of the others, but I'm not just thrilled to watch the play in games
I would agree with that most years, but the ACC is so good this year .500 looks better than normal to me.
To me, it is for two reasons:
1. It's an ACCT title and you should never pass up the opportunity to get one. Especially since K got Duke darn near caught up to us when they seemingly won all of them in the 00s.
2. Like last year's team, I think this team's psyche requires constant reminders of what it feels like to win. I think the ACCT title last year propelled us to our Final Four run. Unlike teams of the past who were just dominant, period (2009 especially), I don't think this group would do well in the NCAAT after an early exit in the ACCT.
I'm not sure if that makes sense, but it's something I've noticed with this team's psyche. They need the occasional loss to shake them awake and they also need the occasional high stakes win to build confidence.
I respectfully disagree. I think it's really cool when teams go on a run. Of course now the format basically makes it impossible for anyone lower than a 9 seed to reach the finals, but I still like the "anything can happen" nature of it... especially as CBB gets more and more "parity" (read: no longer any truly elite teams) each year.
Jay Williams just said K talked him into coming back for his jr year by asking him if he wanted to be known as great by winning NPOY 2 years in a row. K could have cared less about that.
I would probably lean that way as well, but I feel like winning the regular season is more important and a better accomplishment simply because you have to be good over the course of 18 games instead of four days.
I agree that winning the regular season is a much better accomplishment, holistically, and I have no clue in the world why winning the regular season title doesn't result in an automatic bid, but winning a conference tournament does.
But since people keep track of it the way they do, the ACCT is more important.
Yeah, I understand that, I just don't have the same excitement to watch the play in games as I do once the top 4 join. With that said, I like upsets, as long as they aren't happening to us, so I'm fine with a double digit seed making it to Thursday, or possibly further, but I'm not really gonna watch those early games with the same excitement as the final 3 days.
If the auto bid was given to the regular season - the ACCT would be considered more pointless than it already is, and thus get less viewership. As always, the rationale ties back to money.
Wrong IN THIS CASE (generally I agree everything is about money) because the ACCT getting an auto bid dates back to before CBB was even televised.
But yes now in the modern age, the ACCT getting the auto bid makes more sense from a TV $$$ standpoint. From a competitive "fairness" standpoint, giving the bid to the regular season champ made the most sense when schedules were completely balanced.
While we have dominated regular season titles, dook has 19 ACCT titles; UNC has 18. It would be nice to tie those douche-waters, and then go on another 6 game win streak to break the 5-5 natty tie with them.
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