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Alumni Pickup Game --- Videos + Observations

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Videos taken from here:
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/forums/1410-basketball/16744880-2017-alumni-game-video

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Note: I didn't start taking notes until decently far in. I'll probably go back and finish them later.

2.08:30 --- Isaiah breaks Manley's ankles, gets fouled by Huffman
2.09:20 --- Berry step-back 3 against Isaiah, buckets
2.09:40 --- Raymond step-back 3 against Berry, buckets
2.10:55 --- nice pump fake by Maye to draw the foul on Joel James
2.12:15 --- Maye misses a 3 after a pump fake, but a nice shot
2.12:35 --- Theo's 3 rattles out; doesn't look like he's magically developed a jumper yet
2.12:45 --- Isaiah blows by Maye and drops the ball in the basket
2.13:00 --- Seventh airballs a 3; his jumper still has a hitch
2.13:35 --- Theo misses a FT-line jumper...maybe don't shoot that during the season
2.13:40 --- Theo misses a 3...
2.13:55 --- Maye takes it coast to coast, but he's blocked by Hansbrough
2.14:50 -- Robinson gets stuck in the air, alley-oops it to himself off the backboard (and the rim), dunks it...maybe not plan A
2.15:10 --- nice help defense from Platek
2.15:15 --- Berry past Raymond for the easy finish; Maye with a subtle box-out to push Hansbrough out of the play
2.15:50 --- Robinson with a deep 3; he has a really quick stroke
2.16:15 --- nice dish from Robinson to 22 (Walker Miller?) plus the foul
2.17:00 --- Maye receives it in the post and hits a quick turnaround; pretty shot
2.17:15 --- Raymond fools Huffman to finish at the rim; Huffman got stuck in no-man's land
2.17:25 --- Berry pull-up 3 against Raymond

5.00:05 --- miscommunication between Hansbrough and Britt leads to an easy finish for Berry
5.00:15 --- Hicks beats Huffman off the dribble, basket+foul
5.00:35 --- Robinson YOLO 3 misses; Berry hits a 3 after the whistle
5:00:55 --- Berry takes it end-to-almost end, hits an ~18ft jumper
5:01:20 --- Hansbrough does Hansbrough things against Maye
5.01:45 --- Robinson takes Britt off the dribble, hits Maye for an easy jumper
5.02:05 --- Maye really can't guard Hansbrough
5.02:20 --- Berry misses a tough step-back 2; Huffman collects a rebound after bobbling it, put-back blocked by Isaiah
5.02:55 --- Robinson brings the ball up, attacks off the dribble...and gets stripped by Britt and loses the ball; oh well
5.03:25 --- Maye gets Hicks off-balance with a pump fake, Hicks recovers, Maye hits a tough 10-foot jumper that hits all of the rim plus some backboard
5.04:20 --- Maye bricks a pull-up 3 after recovering a loose ball, Manley gets a nice rebound, Manley gets rim-rejected on a layup
5.04:30 --- great contest by Robinson against a Raymond layup attempt; risks a foul, though
5.04.35 --- Theo gets his pocked picked, Maye gets the ball, immediately hits Berry for an open 3
5.05:15 --- Berry gets posted by by Raymond, I have flashbacks to Ryan Arcidiacono posting up Berry in the championship game
5.05:25 --- Berry attacks Raymond off the dribble, gets stopped, misses a tough turnaround
5.05:40 --- Berry finishes in traffic with his left hand, plus the foul
5.05:55 --- Brooks decides not to contest a Hansbrough dunk
5.06:15 --- Berry finds Manley for a 17' jumper that he shoots with confident (and hits)
5.07:15 --- Theo swishes a pull-up 3
5.07:25 --- Theo with a nice overplay for the steal
5.08:00 --- Brooks guards Hicks and Hansbrough well in a single possession

6.00:00 --- Joel James bullies Maye in the post
6.00:25 --- Robinson tries to dunk on Hansbrough from far away, does not succeed
6.00:40 --- Robinson passes to nobody, touches the ball again, travel
6.01:10 --- Huffman doesn't secure a rebound, Hicks finishes + the foul
6.01:35 --- Theo hits a 3
6.02:25 --- Berry finds Robinson in the corner, Robinson misses
6.02:40 --- Robinson finds Berry for a trailing 3, Berry hits
6.03:45 --- Maye for 3
6.04:45 --- Robinson misses a deep 3, Manley gets the board, tries to throw a fancy pass, fails
6.06:00 --- Raymond misses a FT, Maye tips it in...oops
6.06:30 --- Berry gets by Felton, finishes through contact
 
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I enjoyed watching the videos and appreciate malacca posting them. We definitely will have to rely on our strength which will be the perimeter. Looked like Theo hit 3 or 4 threes and Berry was a stud as usual. I wonder why KW didn't play? Not much to go off of with the freshmen. None of them really did anything good or bad. Theo, Joel and Luke were the stars of the game for the current players and I think that should be expected. BRob played okay but missed several shots. I didn't really see anything from Seventh and was hoping I would.
 
Thread removed on IC lol.

My observations:

  • Joel was great. Just like last season we will live and die with him. He probably had like 30.
  • BRob looked good (though still twig-like). Loved the dunk.
  • Maye is going to be what we expect. Sweet shooter who might have issues guarding the interior. I liked the outlet passes in particular
  • Sterling Manley is huge - at least as tall as Joel James. Didn't run the floor well, but I was pleasantly surprised by him.
  • Seventh did basically nothing but played good D
  • Theo was pretty rough. I would not expect him to suddenly be a great shooter. It looked like he could get to the rim when he wanted though
  • Huffman fumbled some rebounds and passes, but he was generally in the right spots.
  • Garrison didn't play much but had a good defensive sequence
  • Andrew didn't play much
No Cam, Jalek, or Kenny that I could see.
 
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General commentary:

Berry is our best player and one of the best players in the country. He'll be the true alpha dog this year - it'll be his team and nobody else's. His big question mark - can he create openings for his teammates? He did that some in the clips.

Maye shows the same strengths and weaknesses I expected. Quick decisions, good shooting all over the court, good all-around offensive game. Length and athleticism limits him on defense (Hansbrough is an unfair matchup, I know, but the issues are still apparent).

Theo looks about the same. Loose handle, loose form on his jumper (though he hit some shots). Great rebounding, very good overall defense. Great passing with a dash of reckless.

Robinson was the most interesting player. He has a very quick and fairly accurate shot. And his overall awareness is excellent. Still super skinny, but he'll contribute this year.

Woods looked about the same. Athletic, doesn't really make a big impact on offense.

The freshman bigs looked about like I expected...and that's not a good thing. Manley and Huffman have heavy feet. Manley probably impressed me the most of the two (hit a jumper, showed good hands), but both need a lot of work. Huffman struggled corralling rebounds. Brooks didn't do much, good or bad - which isn't really a bad thing this early. He had some nice defensive sequences.

Platek didn't do anything good or bad.

Overall --- nothing major to report. I just really wish Bradley hadn't left, because with him and Berry we'd be up there with anybody. But such is life.
 
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Who was playing for alumni at start of the video?

Ray Ray
50
Jawad
D Noel
Couldn't recognize the 5th guy on my small phone screen.
 
Loved the help side defense from Platek on one of the later possessions! I think he's gonna be a very smart-tough player
 
CarolinaBlue5 said:
Loved the help side defense from Platek on one of the later possessions! I think he's gonna be a very smart-tough player
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Well, it's pretty damned impressive that the currents beat this alum team which was strong. Psycho, Hicks, Ray, Reyshawn, Jawad, et al.

Same report I got last time for the most part. Yes, Berry is that good. He does what he wants. And Luke can play.

Oh, and Walker Miller scored 3 points. Gosh, how'd that happen, being a walk-on and all?
:rolleyes:
 
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Appreciate the video and comments. Looked to me like Hansbrough tipped in Felton's missed FT from behind Luke.

Really liked much of what I saw from Robinson, Berry was best player on the court. I love Hansbrough but he took a while to get up to speed which really surprised me. Though I say he fouled BRob, Hansbrough wasn't going to get dunked on like that regardless.

I am happier with what I saw from our Frosh bigs than you are. Not great, but Roy hasn't even gotten his hands on them yet. I am not panicking about them just yet.

Agree 100% with your assessment of Theo. He needs to learn to value the ball a bit more, and for goodness sake, to shoot better.
 
Ray Ray had a tough time with JBII but Woods was weak in his defense Ray.
 
Thanks to the OP for getting this rolling. Nice summation, but it is very early, and Roy hasn't even begun yet. Good times ahead and it's all gravy to me.
 
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I'm just happy to see light blue playing ball!

I thought Brooks was the only one who even slowed Hans down and that was on one possession, but let's not forget that NOBODY slowed him down for four years! Maye looked confident on offense and hustled on D. He seems to have an uncanny knack for knowing where the ball will come off and this will mean a great deal to us. I was pleasantly surprised by Manley's sheer size and instincts for rebounding and D. Once he gets some coaching, strength, and conditioning I expect him to complete more of those plays. JBII is virtually unguardable in the college game! BRob showed me the confidence that will serve him well. Huff is a project, but I like his hustle. Platek was more effective on D and a little less effective on O than I expected, but this isn't exactly the structured ball he needs to excel. If the buff, bald-headed dude was Rey T he has really bulked up! TP does need to keep working on his shot, but the three 3s I watched all looked good even though two just rimmed out. He is still an obvious on-court leader and I love the way he almost sneaks to the rim and is disruptive on D. Love how Hicks just gets after it!

Edit: watched to the end and TP hit another nice looking 3. 50% ain't half bad. Loved Manley also trying to get in front of Hans and of course it ended in a foul. Loved the elbow jumper from Manley as well; hope he can make this a habit!

Thanks for the vids and commentary Fam!.
 
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Berry needs a strong pick-and-roll partner to maximize his impact this year. Not sure if he'll have one, unfortunately. He'll be great regardless, but I think that's what would allow him to control the game. The ball should be in his hands as much as possible.
 
Can someone help me with the jersey numbers for our new guys. And the changes for some returning guys?

Some of these are guesses

0 - Woods
2 - Berry
3 - Manley
5 - Brooks
11 - Rush
13 - Huffman
14 - Robinson
15 - Platek
22 - Miller
24 - Pinson
25 - Rohlman
32 - Maye
 
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Based on the video I'd say Joel is gonna be Joel (which is good!)
Pinson gonna be Pinson.
I feel fine about Maye on offensive.
BRob is still skinny but looked good.

Nobody else impressed and some just looked bad. Now this was just a pickup game against older and better players so I won't single anyone out. Heck the alumni had some unimpressive players too. :)

CC
 
Impressed with:

Brandon - just looked good. Good enough to start, maybe. Guys who think they are ahead of him in the rotation should be hearing footsteps.

Sterling - better than the impression I got from previous clips.

Walker - he'll contribute sooner than I was expecting
 
Clearly Kenny is a great coach.

Kidding aside, there's no way the current team wins if anything important is riding on the outcome.
 
pln2013 said:
...The freshman bigs looked about like I expected...and that's not a good thing. Manley and Huffman have heavy feet. Manley probably impressed me the most of the two (hit a jumper, showed good hands), but both need a lot of work. Huffman struggled corralling rebounds. Brooks didn't do much, good or bad - which isn't really a bad thing this early. He had some nice defensive sequences.....
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in 52 years as a college basketball fan one thing i've observed is this: Never expect much from freshmen big men. sure, there are exceptions, big guys who come in ready to contribute, but they are few and far between and highly recruited. dean smith would often remind people that big men take longer to develop.
 
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Thoughts on the current players:

The Good:
Berry: He's a beast. That is all. Great shooter, smart moves with the ball, no turnovers, pesky defense. NPOY possible?
Robinson: Looks quicker, including both foot speed and shot motion. Definitely seems to be progressing significantly, and I agree with an earlier poster who said others should be looking over their shoulder re: playing time. B-Rob is for real.
Maye: Looks possibly even more comfortable shooting, and his positioning on the court is smart as always. I remain convinced he's not a center, but he did contest a couple of shots nicely. After watching this game I have more confidence he will be a good starter this year.
Theo: I don't think he'll dramatically improve his shot (hope I'm wrong), but his defense is still great and he looks more comfortable leading the offense, which he'll have to more often this year (whenever Joel is on the bench). He's a bit too loose with the ball but he can penetrate and finish or dish.
Seventh's D: Scrappy and effective in a variety of situations.
Our freshmen's movement: Brooks, Manley, and Platek all looked quicker than I imagined. I liked particularly some of the lateral agility I saw from Manley and Brooks. Huffman was less impressive.

Incomplete:
Kenny: Didn't see too much improvement so far. Needs to contribute more on offense, but he is a good defender. Update: Oops, he didn't play. I confused Theo for Kenny a couple of times.
Jalek/Cam: Didn't play

The Not So Good:
Our freshmen's height: Pause the screen at 7:47 of the second half video. Brooks looks about 1 or 2 inches shorter than Hicks. Given that Hicks measured 6'7.25" without shoes at the combine (compared to Meeks at 6'8.75" and Bradley at 6'9.25"), seems hard to envision Brooks at the 5 spot. Also Platek seems somewhat dwarfed by Theo and B-Rob. Given they are listed at 6'5" and 6'6" (and listed heights are usually inflated) I can't imagine Platek is much taller than 6'2". Given these heights it's more clear why Brooks and Platek were ranked low by the scouting services. On the other hand Manley looked as tall as Joel James, who I believe is 6'10" without shoes.
Interior Defense: Yeah I'm going to pick on the freshman a bit more. It was about as tough a situation as you can put them in, but hardly a single shot was altered and they got bullied by Hansborough, Hicks, and James. Given that interior defense is the one thing none of our experienced players really offer, it was discouraging to see this. We have a loooong way to go here. Roy is going to have to do some serious coaching.
Seventh's O: Still making sloppy turnovers and getting stuck in bad spot's. He has some of the Dennis Smith Jr Syndrome of holding the ball too long and not playing the best team offense as a PG. In Gary's words his "floor command" is lacking.
 
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gauchoheel said:
Thoughts on the current players:

The Good:
Berry: He's a beast. That is all. Great shooter, smart moves with the ball, no turnovers, pesky defense. NPOY possible?
Robinson: Looks quicker, including both foot speed and shot motion. Definitely seems to be progressing significantly, and I agree with an earlier poster who said others should be looking over their shoulder re: playing time. B-Rob is for real.
Maye: Looks possibly even more comfortable shooting, and his positioning on the court is smart as always. I remain convinced he's not a center, but he did contest a couple of shots nicely. After watching this game I have more confidence he will be a good starter this year.
Theo: I don't think he'll dramatically improve his shot (hope I'm wrong), but his defense is still great and he looks more comfortable leading the offense, which he'll have to more often this year (whenever Joel is on the bench). He's a bit too loose with the ball but he can penetrate and finish or dish.
Seventh's D: Scrappy and effective in a variety of situations.
Our freshmen's movement: Brooks, Manley, and Platek all looked quicker than I imagined. I liked particularly some of the lateral agility I saw from Manley and Brooks. Huffman was less impressive.

Incomplete:
Kenny: Didn't see too much improvement so far. Needs to contribute more on offense, but he is a good defender.
Jalek/Cam: Didn't play

The Not So Good:
Our freshmen's height: Pause the screen at 7:47 of the second half video. Brooks looks about 1 or 2 inches shorter than Hicks. Given that Hicks measured 6'7.25" without shoes at the combine (compared to Meeks at 6'8.75" and Bradley at 6'9.25"), seems hard to envision Brooks at the 5 spot. Also Platek seems somewhat dwarfed by Theo and B-Rob. Given they are listed at 6'5" and 6'6" (and listed heights are usually inflated) I can't imagine Platek is much taller than 6'2". Given these heights it's more clear why Brooks and Platek were ranked low by the scouting services. On the other hand Manley looked as tall as Joel James, who I believe is 6'10" without shoes.
Interior Defense: Yeah I'm going to pick on the freshman a bit more. It was about as tough a situation as you can put them in, but hardly a single shot was altered and they got bullied by Hansborough, Hicks, and James. Given that interior defense is the one thing none of our experienced players really offer, it was discouraging to see this. We have a loooong way to go here. Roy is going to have to do some serious coaching.
Seventh's O: Still making sloppy turnovers and getting stuck in bad spot's. He has some of the Dennis Smith Jr Syndrome of holding the ball too long and not playing the best team offense as a PG. In Gary's words his "floor command" is lacking.
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One correction. KW didn't play. And I wouldn't fret about the heights. The alums often look bigger because of overall bulk.

But yeah, BRob was the one I was especially encouraged by. Still thin but looked a bit stronger. If he can step up and KW starts looking for his shot that will be a big step towards another run at the FF.

As for the Bigs, we didn't get to see much, and it's no surprise that studs like Psycho and Hicks can bully them. That being said, someone who was there said Manley was huge and should be able to hold his own in the paint vs college Bigs. Brooks I believe doesn't look as tall since he had shorter hair but I've heard he's a good 6'9-ish. Miller looked skinny as advertised but definitely showed skills. Anxious to see how he progresses over time.
 
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One correction. KW didn't play. And I wouldn't fret about the heights. The alums often look bigger because of overall bulk.

But yeah, BRob was the one I was especially encouraged by. Still thin but looked a bit stronger. If he can step up and KW starts looking for his shot that will be a big step towards another run at the FF.

As for the Bigs, we didn't get to see much, and it's no surprise that studs like Psycho and Hicks can bully them. That being said, someone who was there said Manley was huge and should be able to hold his own in the paint vs college Bigs. Brooks I believe doesn't look as tall since he had shorter hair but I've heard he's a good 6'9-ish. Miller looked skinny as advertised but definitely showed skills. Anxious to see how he progresses over time.
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You're right on Kenny. I think I thought Theo was Kenny a couple of times on three pointers. Oops.

Still somewhat concerned about the freshman bigs. They will need a lot of coaching. And even correcting for bulk I think Brooks was at least an inch shorter than Hicks, but the angle is not the best. Will be interesting to see the team photo and listed heights.
 
As Expected, the frontcourt resembles something youd see at clemson or perhaps georgia tech. However the backcourt is pretty stout, without seeing jalek and cam either.
 
gauchoheel said:
You're right on Kenny. I think I thought Theo was Kenny a couple of times on three pointers. Oops.

Still somewhat concerned about the freshman bigs. They will need a lot of coaching. And even correcting for bulk I think Brooks was at least an inch shorter than Hicks, but the angle is not the best. Will be interesting to see the team photo and listed heights.
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Yeah Theo was wearing KW's #24 which made it confusing. I had to look twice on a couple of occasions.
 
gary-7 said:
Yeah, if he can get those damaged wheels up to speed (pun intended) he could become a good one over time.
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That may be the only thing that keeps him from starting at the 5 game one. He may have many eating crow before the end of the season.
 
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