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College basketball needs to change the rules for Instant Replay

Each coach starts the game with one challenge. If he uses it and the call is overturned, he gets one more but can never have more than two. However, if a coach is out of challenges, he may ask the officials to review a close play in the last three minutes of the game. Chances are, the official will grant the request. And, yes, the official can also decide to.

Think this would have helped UNC this past Monday?
 
College basketball needs to change the rules for Instant Replay

Each coach starts the game with one challenge. If he uses it and the call is overturned, he gets one more but can never have more than two. However, if a coach is out of challenges, he may ask the officials to review a close play in the last three minutes of the game. Chances are, the official will grant the request. And, yes, the official can also decide to.

Think this would have helped UNC this past Monday?
I think this would be HORRIBLE for the game.

But perhaps a little more clarification is in order? What can they challenge and when. NFL...play is stopped after every play. In basketball lets say guy goes for a dunk...maybe was fouled maybe was a clean block...but the ball goes to other team and they get a fast break. Can you stop play or challenge the call? If so then you just stopped the fast break, but at the same time if its actually a foul it shouldn't have happened to begin. Maybe you can only contest calls at stoppages, but that would mean most of the calls being complained about in this case weren't reviewable. I'm ok with the way it is now...last two minutes and decided by officials.
 
refs don't have to determine the outcome of a game to be corrupt, they just have to influence it. are the refs THE reason carolina lost? no. but they were a significant factor, and that's unacceptable if you care about college basketball as a sport, and not just entertainment.
Corrupt as in biased? Or just flawed and need more training? I find it very hard to believe without real proof that refs are actually corrupt. Now I do think that a lot of times they have decided to make the call a split second before it happens. For example...Shaq gets absolutely stuffed by Steve Kerr in one and one under the basket. Shaq falls down. 95% of the time that gets called no matter what because people can't believe it legit happened. Same way that guys like Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine got 2-3 inches on their strike zones...its hardwired that if you are that talented if something seems wrong it likely is. Remember Jordan airballing a 14 footer where a guy went flying past him. Defender wasn't within 8 inchs of Jordan, but Jordan never misses that bad....foul (after the ball misses...so late whistle) I don't like it but there is no way to fix the issue you speak of unless you stop play to review everything close. Human error will always lead to missed or bad calls, and at some point they become "one sided"
 
I'm sure you're happy with the way it is now DevilBlue, with your coach riding the refs constantly and your team constantly getting help from the refs. Doh!

We could have overcome the biased officiating, we almost did. But we never should have had to. College officiating is atrocious and seems to be getting worse.

Surely you saw how upset Trinity College fans were after the Miami football game, a game of much less significance. And yes, your team was screwed.

To have the national title game marred by incompetent/biased officiating is galling to me, it should be to you as someone who has been an official. You have already admitted that we got the short end of the officiating stick. I can't help but think you'd care more if the Heels had won with the refs' assistance.

I was on an aircraft carrier in the Med when we lost the title game to Marquette in '77. I was on Franklin Street when we lost to IU in '81. Both hurt badly. But this one will take a long time to get over because of the uneven playing field on which we were forced to play.
 
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I'm sure you're happy with the way it is now DevilBlue, with your coach riding the refs constantly and your team constantly getting help from the refs. Doh!

We could have overcome the biased officiating, we almost did. But we never should have had to. College officiating is atrocious and seems to be getting worse.

Surely you saw how upset Trinity College fans were after the Miami football game, a game of much less significance. And yes, your team was screwed.

To have the national title game marred by incompetent/biased officiating is galling to me, it should be to you as someone who has been an official. You have already admitted that we got the short end of the officiating stick. I can't help but think you'd care more if the Heels had won with the refs' assistance.
Huge difference in that Miami Duke game because they did get to replay the play. I would say that if the refs had replayed Jenkins shot and lets say it was still in his hand at 0:00 but they didn't overturn it THEN huge deal. Also I never called for the game to be changed, or the officials to be fired...just pissed for a day and certainly was not biased just a stupid call.(of course I am not implying you are one of the people calling for refs heads or game overturn...)
Its easy to say Duke gets all the calls...I have heard people saying it about UNC for years. I go back to my argument that you put more games on TV and more slow mo and refs that are human and you will get bad calls and people will remember the ones they want to and spin it how they want to. I will admit there are lots of times Duke has been on the better end of the calls for a game. Once again I want to know how one says refs are biased or corrupt as opposed to human. I admit I watched the NOVA chatter channel and they talked about how Roy chirped at the refs an entire timeout, and then got a call. When I reffed I know I made calls people didn't like that were larger in really close games... I'm sure some were right and some were wrong. Nobody was filming my games are running them on ESPN so I couldn't tell you my margin of error. I can tell you that any ref who says he is perfect is an idiot. Is it biased if the game is pretty closely called but the one bad call is at a crucial moment? Is it biased if half the calls go one way one half then the other way the other half but obviously in a close game... I just ask...can you remember the last national title game that was close, that people on one side weren't up in arms about officiating?
 
I have never been much of a fan of video replay in any sport. In my opinion, human error is always a part of sports, whether you're on the end that benefits or the end that suffers. I think adding more replay is going to serve no purpose other than to make a college basketball game last 3+ hours instead of just under 2.

I don't mind a system with some replay in the last 2 or so minutes, but expanding it would really create more of a detriment than a benefit in my opinion. I love college sports more than pro, but I would hate for college basketball games to become more like college football games where every call can be reviewed and it can add an hour to the game.
 
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Surely you saw how upset Trinity College fans were after the Miami football game, a game of much less significance. And yes, your team was screwed.

I certainly remember that, but I think the difference was we thought the officiating was just bad, not biased. I for one was not among those that wanted to protest or have the game overturned. Things like that happen in sports.
 
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I have never been much of a fan of video replay in any sport. In my opinion, human error is always a part of sports, whether your on the end that benefits or the end that suffers. I think adding more replay is going to serve no purpose other than to make a college basketball game last 3+ hours instead of just under 2.

I don't mind a system with some replay in the last 2 or so minutes, but expanding it would really create more of a detriment than a benefit in my opinion. I love college sports more than pro, but I would hate for college basketball games to become more like college football games where every call can be reviewed and it can add an hour to the game.
I just don't think you could stop play to review fouls or infactions called or not that are live ball situations.
 
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That game was so poorly called I still haven't gotten over it. I really wanted that team to cut the nets down as they were/are a great group. Just totally unfortunate that they didn't get a fair shake on the calls.

I'm not a sore loser just wanted a game that wasn't so heavily influenced by BAD calls.
 
Corrupt as in biased? Or just flawed and need more training? I find it very hard to believe without real proof that refs are actually corrupt. Now I do think that a lot of times they have decided to make the call a split second before it happens. For example...Shaq gets absolutely stuffed by Steve Kerr in one and one under the basket. Shaq falls down. 95% of the time that gets called no matter what because people can't believe it legit happened. Same way that guys like Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine got 2-3 inches on their strike zones...its hardwired that if you are that talented if something seems wrong it likely is. Remember Jordan airballing a 14 footer where a guy went flying past him. Defender wasn't within 8 inchs of Jordan, but Jordan never misses that bad....foul (after the ball misses...so late whistle) I don't like it but there is no way to fix the issue you speak of unless you stop play to review everything close. Human error will always lead to missed or bad calls, and at some point they become "one sided"

Not saying it was corruption, just pathetic a job by the refs but how can you just throw the notion of corruption out the window? It wasn't long ago an NBA ref got caught with a betting scandal.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...y-organized-will-always-have-a-hand-in-sports
 
I went back and counted 14 missed calls and/or bad calls...

Heck, Jenkins last Shot involved a MOVING SCREEN.

If you think that was a moving screen then I have to question the 13 other calls you didn't like.

I will admit that I usually don't get bent out of shape about the refs, I did yell the occasional "thank you" or "about time" at the screen when they would call some of the same crap on Nova that they were calling on the Heels. So I do agree with the general issue that the officials were crappy.

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Ahhh......coach williams absolutely said jj should have gone STRONGER to the basket..

Come on man! Roy will NEVER blame the refs, JJ went strong but when you shoved from behind you CANNOT dunk.

This all started WAY BACK if yall will remember. The ND loss they parade to the foul line 38 dern times! Get this NCAA mess over with and we will be OK.

Been at this since 56, ain't about to quit now.
 
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You and the rest of the cool clique will defend ad nauseum your right to vent and question our staff and players after any game. But when we question the officiating after the national title game, we're overreacting?

I'd expect no more, or less, from the likes of a hypocrite like you. You're all for freedom of speech until someone says something you don't like.
 
Theres no need for personal attacks. The meme reflects a desire to move on. Its a guy beating a dead horse. U see beating a dead horse is useless. U made your point with the horse. Just as u made your point about officiating. Any further punishment is unnecessary. It's a figure of speech that says "enough already, lets move on" and implies no judgement on what you're beating it for.
 
All I know is this old Tar Heel is excited as ever for our next season. Digginh got recruiting info, grad transfers, Roy & Company road trips and an END to this NCAA mess.

GO HEELS!
Yea i think we look strong next year. Dont understand all they hype for freshman loaded squads being ranked ahead of us. An excellent returning nucleus with some nice talent coming in. I think we're a legit ff contender
 
I want to say this without trying to come off like I am fussing about that last game, it is not my intent to do so. But there are a lot of folks that want to fit you for a tin hat just because you see a game and feel there was some outside influence with the manner the game is called.

Guys, college sports, there is literally TO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED FOR THERE NOT TO BE OUTSIDE INFLUENCES! For anyone to suggest otherwise is indication that they do not understand how the real world works, both the good and the not so much. FOLLOW THE $$$ folks!

How many millions were involved in just this title game, heck it may have got in to the near billion range? You do not have $$$ like that tossed around and there not be corruption involved. How much $$$ was brought to the table by gambling alone, gambling, not as if that has not ever effected a sporting contest at all right? Commercial TV money, why do ya think we played so many very late games in this tourney, so the west coast viewers could see a great team play later than 5pm maybe? That is influence folks, clearly some of the match ups were influenced by commercial TV, ya think a 3rd round match up of UNC vs either Indiana or Ky was not engineered a little bit, even as the selection committee denied doing so? Ya think the defending champs being able to reach the 3rd round having to beat UNCW and the college of who the hell cares was not influenced a little bit, ya want to fit me with a tin hat for saying that feel free.

When you have Business Insider suggesting that final game did not smell right you should stop and listen, unless you want to fit well respected business publications with tin hats as well.

In any game, you have 3 men wearing striped shirts with whistles, not 3 robots but 3 human beings and MONEY can make pretty much any human being do things they would not normally do. You gonna tell me you do not have a price tag? If I offerred to give you $20 million to build a stature of K in your front yard, would ya do it? How much would it take to have to raise a duke flag in your front yard, $1 million, NO, How about $5 million?

Tell ya what folks, give me $20 million to build a statue of K in my front yard and place that money in an escrow account, I am cashing that check and sorry if that disappoints any of ya!

And what is the price tag for Vegas to buy a referee? A small call here or there in a big moment changes a game, how much would it take to make that happen? Here is a million cash, would that do it, how about 5? Is this what happened in that title game, IDK but I do know gambling interests constantly try to influence the out comes of games.

How about this, you work for the NCAA and your bosses share with you that it would be embarassing for a team under NCAA investigation to the degree we are to win the title. Sure would hate to see the very thing that pays ALL of the NCAA bills become tainted because the winner is under investigation, it could open the door for all kinds of corruption to be exposed or at very least assumed, it could tear our entire brand down, we could all be unemployed...Your boss could say that and never suggest you do anything, it just frames your thinking, you have been influenced without being given strict orders.

My point is influence happens in both overt and covert ways and some form of out side influence is always going to occur when you have so many millions of dollars involved. If you don't realize that then I am not the one that needs fitting for a tin hat, it would be you that needs that fitting. There is the side of college sports that is seen and shown to everyone but there is a dark side as well that is not shown to the public. We all want a level playing field but the field will never be level in anything where so much money is involved and that is just the cold hard truth. There have been many articles written about outside influences in college sports, there are as well influences that are defined more as inside than outside. There are things that occur every day the NCAA knows about but does nothing about, they keep those things inside the family so to speak and hope the media does not expose it for what it really is.

This AFAM issue we have, the NCAA has NEVER wanted any part of this, they never wanted this to be shown in the light of day and it scares the hell out of them now, because they know, this isn't a UNC problem, this is a problem at every one of their member schools. It is just the media ran with the UNC story and the NCAA wants that bell un-rung least it ring for EVERYONE! If you do not know this is a situation that EVERY major D-1 program has then you need the tin hat more than me...

Do you really believe that only at UNC are athletes treated differently than regular students? Do you really believe that there is a major D-1 program in basketball or football where their athletes do not get extra benefits? Answer that with a straight face Ky fan, duke fan, NC State fan, answer that without telling a lie...YOU KNOW even if you do not want to admit it...You know!
 
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I want to say this without trying to come off like I am fussing about that last game, it is not my intent to do so. But there are a lot of folks that want to fit you for a tin hat just because you see a game and feel there was some outside influence with the manner the game is called.

Guys, college sports, there is literally TO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED FOR THERE NOT TO BE OUTSIDE INFLUENCES! For anyone to suggest otherwise is indication that they do not understand how the real world works, both the good and the not so much. FOLLOW THE $$$ folks!

How many millions were involved in just this title game, heck it may have got in to the near billion range? You do not have $$$ like that tossed around and there not be corruption involved. How much $$$ was brought to the table by gambling alone, gambling, not as if that has not ever effected a sporting contest at all right? Commercial TV money, why do ya think we played so many very late games in this tourney, so the west coast viewers could see a great team play later than 5pm maybe? That is influence folks, clearly some of the match ups were influenced by commercial TV, ya think a 3rd round match up of UNC vs either Indiana or Ky was not engineered a little bit, even as the selection committee denied doing so? Ya think the defending champs being able to reach the 3rd round having to beat UNCW and the college of who the hell cares was not influenced a little bit, ya want to fit me with a tin hat for saying that feel free.

When you have Business Insider suggesting that final game did not smell right you should stop and listen, unless you want to fit well respected business publications with tin hats as well.

In any game, you have 3 men wearing striped shirts with whistles, not 3 robots but 3 human beings and MONEY can make pretty much any human being do things they would not normally do. You gonna tell me you do not have a price tag? If I offerred to give you $20 million to build a stature of K in your front yard, would ya do it? How much would it take to have to raise a duke flag in your front yard, $1 million, NO, How about $5 million?

Tell ya what folks, give me $20 million to build a statue of K in my front yard and place that money in an escrow account, I am cashing that check and sorry if that disappoints any of ya!

And what is the price tag for Vegas to buy a referee? A small call here or there in a big moment changes a game, how much would it take to make that happen? Here is a million cash, would that do it, how about 5? Is this what happened in that title game, IDK but I do know gambling interests constantly try to influence the out comes of games.

How about this, you work for the NCAA and your bosses share with you that it would be embarassing for a team under NCAA investigation to the degree we are to win the title. Sure would hate to see the very thing that pays ALL of the NCAA bills become tainted because the winner is under investigation, it could open the door for all kinds of corruption to be exposed or at very least assumed, it could tear our entire brand down, we could all be unemployed...Your boss could say that and never suggest you do anything, it just frames your thinking, you have been influenced without being given strict orders.

My point is influence happens in both overt and covert ways and some form of out side influence is always going to occur when you have so many millions of dollars involved. If you don't realize that then I am not the one that needs fitting for a tin hat, it would be you that needs that fitting. There is the side of college sports that is seen and shown to everyone but there is a dark side as well that is not shown to the public. We all want a level playing field but the field will never be level in anything where so much money is involved and that is just the cold hard truth. There have been many articles written about outside influences in college sports, there are as well influences that are defined more as inside than outside. There are things that occur every day the NCAA knows about but does nothing about, they keep those things inside the family so to speak and hope the media does not expose it for what it really is.

This AFAM issue we have, the NCAA has NEVER wanted any part of this, they never wanted this to be shown in the light of day and it scares the hell out of them now, because they know, this isn't a UNC problem, this is a problem at every one of their member schools. It is just the media ran with the UNC story and the NCAA wants that bell un-rung least it ring for EVERYONE! If you do not know this is a situation that EVERY major D-1 program has then you need the tin hat more than me...

Do you really believe that only at UNC are athletes treated differently than regular students? Do you really believe that there is a major D-1 program in basketball or football where their athletes do not get extra benefits? Answer that with a straight face Ky fan, duke fan, NC State fan, answer that without telling a lie...YOU KNOW even if you do not want to admit it...You know!
First...not implying in any way you are a conspiracy theorist...

1. If money drives everything(yes it does) then your team benefits more than most. NCAA has been putting teams in line to face each other for years....its not just a UNC. I question how far you go with this? Are you admitting that prior to the scandal UNC would get pref treatment from the NCAA because of the money they bring in? Duke, UK, Kansas...all the same?

2. To bring up the Duke matchups...UNCW was a solid team this year. Good matchup(this comes from a UNCW alumni who for the first time in 33 years rooted against Duke) The Yale matchup was no more Dukes control than UNC had control they didn't face WVU or Xavier or another 1 or 2 seed in the final 4 game. Unless you are implying NCAA somehow helped Yale win...

3. Yes money drives everything and certainly somebody might be offering money to refs for pref calls. Until it is proven though you either have to assume every ref is in somebodies pockets or non of them are. I mean by this logic all sports are tainted because even in good called games it would be easy to push judgement one way or another(example...teams like FSU under Hamilton play very aggressive, fast paced, lot of contact. Lets assume they play a team like UVA...slower game, more team game. If a ref wanted to favor one team or another they could call it close, or very loose. So long as they call it that way both ways its a good called game, but favors one team vs the other)

4. I doubt the NCAA cared at all if UNC won this year. Nobody important is questioning this years team or players. Any sanctions that may or may not come would be for past teams. The only issue I could see at all about this year would be the question of did UNC self report more in order to delay judgement until after this years basketball season was up due to the high expectations for UNC. Obviously this is just an opinion, perhaps I am wrong. Still the NCAA profits more from their blue blood back in clean form and winning even if they sanction them for a year or two than they do Nova winning.

5. If you buy the statue of K I will put it up in my yard for free. No millions needed.
 
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I want to say this without trying to come off like I am fussing about that last game, it is not my intent to do so. But there are a lot of folks that want to fit you for a tin hat just because you see a game and feel there was some outside influence with the manner the game is called.

Guys, college sports, there is literally TO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED FOR THERE NOT TO BE OUTSIDE INFLUENCES! For anyone to suggest otherwise is indication that they do not understand how the real world works, both the good and the not so much. FOLLOW THE $$$ folks!

How many millions were involved in just this title game, heck it may have got in to the near billion range? You do not have $$$ like that tossed around and there not be corruption involved. How much $$$ was brought to the table by gambling alone, gambling, not as if that has not ever effected a sporting contest at all right? Commercial TV money, why do ya think we played so many very late games in this tourney, so the west coast viewers could see a great team play later than 5pm maybe? That is influence folks, clearly some of the match ups were influenced by commercial TV, ya think a 3rd round match up of UNC vs either Indiana or Ky was not engineered a little bit, even as the selection committee denied doing so? Ya think the defending champs being able to reach the 3rd round having to beat UNCW and the college of who the hell cares was not influenced a little bit, ya want to fit me with a tin hat for saying that feel free.

When you have Business Insider suggesting that final game did not smell right you should stop and listen, unless you want to fit well respected business publications with tin hats as well.

In any game, you have 3 men wearing striped shirts with whistles, not 3 robots but 3 human beings and MONEY can make pretty much any human being do things they would not normally do. You gonna tell me you do not have a price tag? If I offerred to give you $20 million to build a stature of K in your front yard, would ya do it? How much would it take to have to raise a duke flag in your front yard, $1 million, NO, How about $5 million?

Tell ya what folks, give me $20 million to build a statue of K in my front yard and place that money in an escrow account, I am cashing that check and sorry if that disappoints any of ya!

And what is the price tag for Vegas to buy a referee? A small call here or there in a big moment changes a game, how much would it take to make that happen? Here is a million cash, would that do it, how about 5? Is this what happened in that title game, IDK but I do know gambling interests constantly try to influence the out comes of games.

How about this, you work for the NCAA and your bosses share with you that it would be embarassing for a team under NCAA investigation to the degree we are to win the title. Sure would hate to see the very thing that pays ALL of the NCAA bills become tainted because the winner is under investigation, it could open the door for all kinds of corruption to be exposed or at very least assumed, it could tear our entire brand down, we could all be unemployed...Your boss could say that and never suggest you do anything, it just frames your thinking, you have been influenced without being given strict orders.

My point is influence happens in both overt and covert ways and some form of out side influence is always going to occur when you have so many millions of dollars involved. If you don't realize that then I am not the one that needs fitting for a tin hat, it would be you that needs that fitting. There is the side of college sports that is seen and shown to everyone but there is a dark side as well that is not shown to the public. We all want a level playing field but the field will never be level in anything where so much money is involved and that is just the cold hard truth. There have been many articles written about outside influences in college sports, there are as well influences that are defined more as inside than outside. There are things that occur every day the NCAA knows about but does nothing about, they keep those things inside the family so to speak and hope the media does not expose it for what it really is.

This AFAM issue we have, the NCAA has NEVER wanted any part of this, they never wanted this to be shown in the light of day and it scares the hell out of them now, because they know, this isn't a UNC problem, this is a problem at every one of their member schools. It is just the media ran with the UNC story and the NCAA wants that bell un-rung least it ring for EVERYONE! If you do not know this is a situation that EVERY major D-1 program has then you need the tin hat more than me...

Do you really believe that only at UNC are athletes treated differently than regular students? Do you really believe that there is a major D-1 program in basketball or football where their athletes do not get extra benefits? Answer that with a straight face Ky fan, duke fan, NC State fan, answer that without telling a lie...YOU KNOW even if you do not want to admit it...You know!

Following the $ is the very reason i have to disagree re the ncaa. 90%of their revenue is the tv contract for the tourney. If they are influencing game outcomes thru the officials there is NO WAY to keep that under wraps forever. Too many people would have to know and the chances that someone wouldnt talk or an email surface or someone decides to go to tmz to sell the sports story of the century are slim to none. And when it does come out the tourney, HELL THE NCAA ITSELF, is DONE. OVER. KAPPUT. In addition all previous tourney results would be thrown into quesrion. Not only that the people involved are committing fraud and would go to prison. So u really think they would risk all that to what?....make a point? Sorry but that seems ludicrous. If they truly want to influence games for $ they would've had unc play okla or kansas for a much better ratings draw.
As for org crime getting to an official? Yes thats much more believable. But when i look at the game i cant get past two issues that tell me it doesnt make sense to believe the fix was in. First, there were two quick fouls on their best player! Wth would u call those if u want nova to win? Second, on the last possession why count on nova making a buzzer beater when all u have to do is call a foul on unc and put nova on the line for a much easier shot? Doesnt add up.
But ONCE AGAIN, i'm not defending the officiating nor am i judging anyone for criticizing it. It absolutely was the worst i've seen since the 84 tourney when phantom calls clipped jordans wings. But i also remember the '82 tourney, when mike lupica of the sports reporters show said point blank that the ncaa had rigged the tourney seedings to make sure dean got his first title, and when gtown was whistled for TWICE the fouls we were in the title gam. When i got home for spring break all i heard was "unc gets the calls" "ncaa gave the title to dean" yadda yadda. I didnt believe it then and i dont now.
 
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Just enjoy watching. Things are out of our hands as fans. The NCAA is a corrupt organization and probably the ACC is also. It has been a great sports year for UNC, but both with common endings, a complete screw job by the officials. UNC football went to the title game and if they officials hadn't made up a call who knows what would have happened at the end. UNC basketball had a great year winning the ACC (both ways) and reaching the title game. UNC would have won easily if not for the officiating. I am and always will be a huge UNC fan. I think I have just invested too much into it. Its just a game and in the end, just like life, things can be unfair. Just enjoy the good years, because you just never know the future.
 
Not buying it. If the UNC bigs had played like they had in the tournaments up to this point, we win going away. They missed and fumbled away many close in opportunities, and as a result we shot 40% on 2s. That's not how the team won games this year. Sorry, but they let shorter players out-muscle and out-hustle them inside.
 
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Not buying it. If the UNC bigs had played like they had in the tournaments up to this point, we win going away. They missed and fumbled away many close in opportunities, and as a result we shot 40% on 2s. That's not how the team won games this year. Sorry, but they let shorter players out-muscle and out-hustle them inside.

And out slap and shove and walk all over the dern place. And when we pushed back .................. FOUL!
 
Oh I'm sure it does happen. I just feel like its insanely rare and is more born of frustration than any actual proof or evidence that it could have happened.



I'll be sure and remember this quote when dook loses a game or title game by the same circumstances.
 
Following the $ is the very reason i have to disagree re the ncaa. 90%of their revenue is the tv contract for the tourney. If they are influencing game outcomes thru the officials there is NO WAY to keep that under wraps forever. Too many people would have to know and the chances that someone wouldnt talk or an email surface or someone decides to go to tmz to sell the sports story of the century are slim to none. And when it does come out the tourney, HELL THE NCAA ITSELF, is DONE. OVER. KAPPUT. In addition all previous tourney results would be thrown into quesrion. Not only that the people involved are committing fraud and would go to prison. So u really think they would risk all that to what?....make a point? Sorry but that seems ludicrous. If they truly want to influence games for $ they would've had unc play okla or kansas for a much better ratings draw.
As for org crime getting to an official? Yes thats much more believable. But when i look at the game i cant get past two issues that tell me it doesnt make sense to believe the fix was in. First, there were two quick fouls on their best player! Wth would u call those if u want nova to win? Second, on the last possession why count on nova making a buzzer beater when all u have to do is call a foul on unc and put nova on the line for a much easier shot? Doesnt add up.
But ONCE AGAIN, i'm not defending the officiating nor am i judging anyone for criticizing it. It absolutely was the worst i've seen since the 84 tourney when phantom calls clipped jordans wings. But i also remember the '82 tourney, when mike lupica of the sports reporters show said point blank that the ncaa had rigged the tourney seedings to make sure dean got his first title, and when gtown was whistled for TWICE the fouls we were in the title gam. When i got home for spring break all i heard was "unc gets the calls" "ncaa gave the title to dean" yadda yadda. I didnt believe it then and i dont now.

My point is to offer possible answers and not claim them as fact. For all I know maybe Vega did influence that game but just wanted it to cover the spread and maybe not the final winner or loser? IDK, I wil NEVER know, those kind for things are not talked about.

Has UNC ever benefitted from out side influence, I don't know, maybe they have, maybe they have not, I don't have a smoking gun of proof pone way or the other.

Pete Rose risk his entire career as the greatest hitter of all time for Gambling, didn't he? It was LUDICROUS for him to do so, wasn't it? How many folks knew Rose gambled, how many knew he gambled on his own team, many, it took how long to come out? You mess around to much with gambling and guess who you are involved with, hint, they wear italian suits and have gun collections and are not folks you want to get on the wrong side of.

Why does and email never surface, because things like this are done face to face, verbal conversations, not over phones, not over fax, and darn sure not over email or anything that can be later discovered by anyone outside of the loop. You influence a game you are breaking the law, why would you put yourself in jail?

Why for example have you never seen a player that was delivered to a coach by William Wesley (WWW) ever expose what is going on with WWW behind the scenes? First off it would shine him in a bad light but aside from that you are poking in to what happens behind the curtain of something that drive Billions of $$$ transactions? Ya know what happens to someone wanting to expose something when Billions of $$$ are involved? They end up missing, see Hoffa, Jimmy for more.

I get it, really do, you want to look at this from the same perspective we all want to, nothing is wrong, bad stuff only happens some of the time, when it does the forces of good expose it and the evil in punished. Don't we all really want to vote for a honest politician after all?
 
First...not implying in any way you are a conspiracy theorist...

1. If money drives everything(yes it does) then your team benefits more than most. NCAA has been putting teams in line to face each other for years....its not just a UNC. I question how far you go with this? Are you admitting that prior to the scandal UNC would get pref treatment from the NCAA because of the money they bring in? Duke, UK, Kansas...all the same?

2. To bring up the Duke matchups...UNCW was a solid team this year. Good matchup(this comes from a UNCW alumni who for the first time in 33 years rooted against Duke) The Yale matchup was no more Dukes control than UNC had control they didn't face WVU or Xavier or another 1 or 2 seed in the final 4 game. Unless you are implying NCAA somehow helped Yale win...

3. Yes money drives everything and certainly somebody might be offering money to refs for pref calls. Until it is proven though you either have to assume every ref is in somebodies pockets or non of them are. I mean by this logic all sports are tainted because even in good called games it would be easy to push judgement one way or another(example...teams like FSU under Hamilton play very aggressive, fast paced, lot of contact. Lets assume they play a team like UVA...slower game, more team game. If a ref wanted to favor one team or another they could call it close, or very loose. So long as they call it that way both ways its a good called game, but favors one team vs the other)

4. I doubt the NCAA cared at all if UNC won this year. Nobody important is questioning this years team or players. Any sanctions that may or may not come would be for past teams. The only issue I could see at all about this year would be the question of did UNC self report more in order to delay judgement until after this years basketball season was up due to the high expectations for UNC. Obviously this is just an opinion, perhaps I am wrong. Still the NCAA profits more from their blue blood back in clean form and winning even if they sanction them for a year or two than they do Nova winning.

5. If you buy the statue of K I will put it up in my yard for free. No millions needed.


Wait, are you really trying to sell me on UNCW and Yale as monsters in college basketball? REALLY? Is that seriously what you are doing? EXCUSE ME WHILE I LMAO !
 
If you think that was a moving screen then I have to question the 13 other calls you didn't like.

I will admit that I usually don't get bent out of shape about the refs, I did yell the occasional "thank you" or "about time" at the screen when they would call some of the same crap on Nova that they were calling on the Heels. So I do agree with the general issue that the officials were crappy.

CC



So, you do not know the rule concerning a player who sets a moving screen then?.!! Hicks COULD NOT get to Jenkins to block the shot because of the illegal screen. It was/is an illegal screen. That is what it will always be...
 
My point is to offer possible answers and not claim them as fact. For all I know maybe Vega did influence that game but just wanted it to cover the spread and maybe not the final winner or loser? IDK, I wil NEVER know, those kind for things are not talked about.

Has UNC ever benefitted from out side influence, I don't know, maybe they have, maybe they have not, I don't have a smoking gun of proof pone way or the other.

Pete Rose risk his entire career as the greatest hitter of all time for Gambling, didn't he? It was LUDICROUS for him to do so, wasn't it? How many folks knew Rose gambled, how many knew he gambled on his own team, many, it took how long to come out? You mess around to much with gambling and guess who you are involved with, hint, they wear italian suits and have gun collections and are not folks you want to get on the wrong side of.

Why does and email never surface, because things like this are done face to face, verbal conversations, not over phones, not over fax, and darn sure not over email or anything that can be later discovered by anyone outside of the loop. You influence a game you are breaking the law, why would you put yourself in jail?

Why for example have you never seen a player that was delivered to a coach by William Wesley (WWW) ever expose what is going on with WWW behind the scenes? First off it would shine him in a bad light but aside from that you are poking in to what happens behind the curtain of something that drive Billions of $$$ transactions? Ya know what happens to someone wanting to expose something when Billions of $$$ are involved? They end up missing, see Hoffa, Jimmy for more.

I get it, really do, you want to look at this from the same perspective we all want to, nothing is wrong, bad stuff only happens some of the time, when it does the forces of good expose it and the evil in punished. Don't we all really want to vote for a honest politician after all?


Some of the problem here:

http://deadspin.com/the-art-of-screwing-up-how-ncaa-refs-live-with-their-m-471284937
 
I mean, I don't understand the concept of giving up a sport. If I could give it up I would. I assume most would. Why put yourself through it? It is just something that is a part of you though. That is the way sports is. People often ask me why I am a UNC fan (not in a negative way, just curious). Hell, I don't know. I just am. If I could answer that I could change who I pulled for based on whatever parameters I want to set for the teams I pull for.
 
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Wait, are you really trying to sell me on UNCW and Yale as monsters in college basketball? REALLY? Is that seriously what you are doing? EXCUSE ME WHILE I LMAO !
Not at all. I think of the lower seeded teams UNCW was a bad matchup for Duke as those 13 seeds go. Athletic, likes to run and press a lot. The fouls were going to be an issue...always are for UNCW and could they match Plumlee(not once Getty's fouled out) Now Yale...that's the exact same thing as people arguing that UNC got a cake walk into the final game because they played a 10 seed in the FF. Last I checked passed game 1, your teams were decided by who else won. Yale pulled an upset, that's not on the committee or Duke, just how the games went.
 
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