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Anyone else transferring?

As far as returners that started their career with UNC I actually would have liked to see EC return at pg, IJ at the 2, (Seth backing up the pg/2) Drake at the 3 and Wash at the 4 then all you need would be to add a 5. i also realize that Wilson coming in would be a great 4 and that might make Wash viable as a 4 or 5. Guess I just miss the days of college guys coming in and staying, and developing, their entire AMATEUR career at one school. jmo
Unfortunately, fewer and fewer parts of that scenario are even possible.

Updating what I posted previously, I neglected to mention that Lubin seems to be coming back, but from there it gets sketchy:
Drake has been quietly edging up draft boards, and there's an increasing chance his NBA Eval could put him back in the 1st round (an unspeakable loss if he goes), and although not yet decided, there's been sort of an expectation Ian would go. Seth continues to wait and calculate, as in some ways does Zayden.

As for going out and shopping for an (ugh) "new team", the viable prospects (at least thus far) have been less than awe-inspiring. Yes, the pool will continue to expand, but you've got agents out there shopping their clients who aren't yet in the Portal like it's an NBA Offer-Sheet, playing their old programs against potential suitors (one of the reasons there are so many "no comments" out there vis-a-vis Portal entry).

So, here we are, the blue-est of blue-bloods, offering constant national media exposure and an international "brand", and I'm having to write what I just wrote? You may be forgiven for asking "WTF?" Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure we'll come up with a roster with some talented players, but to me the telling thing is the collective status of our current guys, not to mention apparently already getting toasted on our top transfer prospect.

If you're looking for a touchstone for blame assignment?... welp, letting your most attractive transfer-magnet walk out the door is a damn good place to start. I do not envy the staff for what they're having to go thru these days, but as the old saying goes, in key ways ths time, they have nobody to blame but themselves.
 
We need a PG(s), consistent shooters, and BIGS that can play. Ian gives us none of that. IMO, If he decides to leave, it hurts, but not a HUGE hit. Drake leaving would be more devastating because he's so versatile.
 
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We need a PG(s), consistent shooters, and BIGS that can play. Ian gives us none of that. IMO, If he decides to leave, it hurts, but not a HUGE hit. Drake leaving would be more devastating because he's so versatile.
While I think Ian can become a more consistent shooter (to go along with his spurtability), yes, Drake brings more to the table and would be a bigger loss.
 
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While I think Ian can become a more consistent shooter (to go along with his spurtability), yes, Drake brings more to the table and would be a bigger loss.
I'm with you on Ian. I think he CAN become a more consistent shooter as well. Defensively, not sure he'll ever be good. Which is sad, because he is so athletic.
 
There could be a very strong, logical argument for both Drake and Ian to stay. I hope it's being made to them

Drake - you were a part-time starter playing out of position for a large portion of the year. You were mostly the 5th scoring option. You have no guarantee of a first round draft and you have nowhere to go but up (barring injury).

Ian- You were mostly a off the bench player who had a flash of scoring brilliance. Come back and take RJ's role as our primary scorer and possibly learn to play a little defense. Your nba draft stock will soar. You are currently not listed in the first round and thus have no guaranteed money.

Both should be sold on a core of Ian at the two, Drake at the three, and Wilson at the four is a pretty darn good nucleus. We have to get a quality big! We HAVE also created more work for ourselves and now need a serviceable point guard.

Are my blue tinted glasses distorting my view. Does anyone see it differently?
 
Unfortunately, fewer and fewer parts of that scenario are even possible.

Updating what I posted previously, I neglected to mention that Lubin seems to be coming back, but from there it gets sketchy:
Drake has been quietly edging up draft boards, and there's an increasing chance his NBA Eval could put him back in the 1st round (an unspeakable loss if he goes), and although not yet decided, there's been sort of an expectation Ian would go. Seth continues to wait and calculate, as in some ways does Zayden.

As for going out and shopping for an (ugh) "new team", the viable prospects (at least thus far) have been less than awe-inspiring. Yes, the pool will continue to expand, but you've got agents out there shopping their clients who aren't yet in the Portal like it's an NBA Offer-Sheet, playing their old programs against potential suitors (one of the reasons there are so many "no comments" out there vis-a-vis Portal entry).

So, here we are, the blue-est of blue-bloods, offering constant national media exposure and an international "brand", and I'm having to write what I just wrote? You may be forgiven for asking "WTF?" Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure we'll come up with a roster with some talented players, but to me the telling thing is the collective status of our current guys, not to mention apparently already getting toasted on our top transfer prospect.

If you're looking for a touchstone for blame assignment?... welp, letting your most attractive transfer-magnet walk out the door is a damn good place to start. I do not envy the staff for what they're having to go thru these days, but as the old saying goes, in key ways ths time, they have nobody to blame but themselves.
Right man. I don't know the full story behind the player meeting between staff and EC. Is it fair to assume HD and staff didn't work very hard to keep EC on the roster and let him walk? If that assumption turns out to be true, then that is a problem. Just wow, add it to the long list of coaching issues. Is it too late to get Caleb back? lmao...
 
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I'm with you on Ian. I think he CAN become a more consistent shooter as well. Defensively, not sure he'll ever be good. Which is sad, because he is so athletic.
Well, as you know, defense is as much want-to and footwork as anything. He's got the first part covered, the second I think he can, if he works at it. His biggest issue so far is geting lost off-ball, so that needs to improve markedly.
 
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Well, as you know, defense is as much want-to and footwork as anything. He's got the first part covered, the second I think he can, if he works at it. His biggest issue so far is geting lost off-ball, so that needs to improve markedly.
Yes...that's where his biggest deficiency is...in Help Defense. It was awful.
 
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Right man. I don't know the full story behind the player meeting between staff and EC. Is it fair to assume HD and staff didn't work very hard to keep EC on the roster and let him walk? If that assumption turns out to be true, then that is a problem. Just wow, add it to the long list of coaching issues. Is it too late to get Caleb back? lmao...
LIke I said before, I just don't think Hubert realized how big the issues were. He SHOULD have --- I mean, EC's mom wasn't exactly reticent on social media.

I obviously can't speak for everyone involved, but I DO know that Eliot would have preferred to play his college career here and then get to the league, but the way he was restricted pretty much made both of those preferences less viable --- so, by the time of his meeting Eliot was to the point of needing to hear some things were gonna change or he was done.

The maddening thing is that just letting him play his game would have been better for EVERYBODY.
 
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Looking more and more like Ian and Drake are both gone…Also EC and family are doing UNC no favors by bashing the staff every chance they get…

Next year could be 8-20 bad unless they pull off a miracle in n the Portal…Which is off to a less than stellar start…
 
LIke I said before, I just don't think Hubert realized how big the issues were. He SHOULD have --- I mean, EC's mom wasn't exactly reticent on social media.

I obviously can't speak for everyone involved, but I DO know that Eliot would have preferred to play his college career here and then get to the league, but the way he was restricted pretty much made both of those preferences less viable --- so, by the time of his meeting Eliot was to the point of needing to hear some things were gonna change or he was done.

The maddening thing is that just letting him play his game would have been better for EVERYBODY.
Ok, yea, so from my perspective HD could have done much more and differently... Also, I think problems started when he was a freshman. Not starting EC from day one, not giving him the keys and building his confidence started this snowball. It didn't help HD gave up on him against Bama either. Lastly, defaulting to RJ was also a real problem; the coaches seemed to default to RJ, players simply followed suit. Ok, Ill shut up about it now, lol.
 
LIke I said before, I just don't think Hubert realized how big the issues were. He SHOULD have --- I mean, EC's mom wasn't exactly reticent on social media.

I obviously can't speak for everyone involved, but I DO know that Eliot would have preferred to play his college career here and then get to the league, but the way he was restricted pretty much made both of those preferences less viable --- so, by the time of his meeting Eliot was to the point of needing to hear some things were gonna change or he was done.

The maddening thing is that just letting him play his game would have been better for EVERYBODY.
Gary - thanks for all of the insight. By you alluding to Hubert not realizing the situation, would you classify it more as Hubert being off the chart aloof, or him being in denial, like the George Costanza mentality… “there’s not a problem if he convinces himself there isn’t one?”
 
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Back to the title of this thread, will there be any more guys entering the portal... I know we have 2 and very likely a 3rd that are waiting to see who we bring in that could well have them enter the portal. I will give you this extra hot take in that I think Ian Jackson will enter the portal, Drake will either go to the NBA or come back for UNC, I say 55-45 he comes back.

When it comes to the 2 guard spot, I am very specific as to who I would take, it would have to be a absolute deadly shooter in the McNeeley mold, not going to be many of those type to be had. I am a taker on McNeeley out of GREED not NEED. We have Seth, Dixon, and Denis, how many more 2s can you take? Now we do need a jump shooting PG with Seth at the 2, that was a problem before Cadeau left, he out now so snag a PG that jump shoots and we are fine in the back court. To me, that may deal Jackson out.

You tell me, do you want 2 big men coming in or just 1, I want 2, especially now that Jalen is gone. Give me 2 each 6'10" 240lbs or more big men to add to Wilson, High, Brown and I will be very happy. It looks like we are looking to bring in 2. But where does Lubin fit in to that, I am not sure he does.
 
Gary - thanks for all of the insight. By you alluding to Hubert not realizing the situation, would you classify it more as Hubert being off the chart aloof, or him being in denial, like the George Costanza mentality… “there’s not a problem if he convinces himself there isn’t one?”
Man, I really don't know, and asking myself that exact question makes my head hurt.

With that said, one thing I am pretty sure of (in that vein) is that Hubert became incredibly stubborn as to the approach he wanted to take --- something I've heard from several quarters. And when it would look like we were doing more sound stuff like playing more inside-out, the way we approached it and our resolve was inconsistent.

And look, I know I'm the proverbial broken record on this, but Hubert's offensive clunkiness started by cutting off the Secondary Break in favor of pulling up and setting perimeter ball-screens (which mostly served to allow the retreating defense to recover and set up).
 
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To me Drake is the key, and Drake also has the most reason to leave. Be groomed as the 3/ slash and Dee player that has your pro worth so high instead of fitting a need.

Pay him huge, and hope he is back for a year. Going to be a tough sell. I see no way Ian returns, he is going to work on his pro game, and he needs it.
 
While everyone else seems to be crying in their beers, I think this portal is going to be a nice haul.
 
Miles Covin just entered as well. He and Catchings are two kids I'm familiar with. Athletic ready kids!!! There is SO much talent out there in the portal, and growing.

If UNC is really ready to be active, I'm not worried about the angst about what is leaving. It was not a well structured roster. It damn sure could be next year.
 
Miles Covin just entered as well. He and Catchings are two kids I'm familiar with. Athletic ready kids!!! There is SO much talent out there in the portal, and growing.

If UNC is really ready to be active, I'm not worried about the angst about what is leaving. It was not a well structured roster. It damn sure could be next year.
I love the optimism. The only problem is that the same guy in charge of building a well-structured roster is the same guy who responsible for this year's mess.
 
I love the optimism. The only problem is that the same guy in charge of building a well-structured roster is the same guy who responsible for this year's mess.
I totally get the skepticism, but I believe UNC is fully in with the portal this year. Got a much needed wake up call for "the kids we want should want to be here first and foremost crowd, cause we'll win with you or without you". I think a more realistic effort with the GM, and market value being available to offer this time, for "that same guy" is a big difference.
 
I totally get the skepticism, but I believe UNC is fully in with the portal this year. Got a much needed wake up call that the kids we want should want to be here crowd cause we'll win with you or without you". I think a more realistic effort with the GM and market value being available to offer this time for "that same guy" is a big difference.
I'm ready to believe in them but I'm waiting for a sign (ing). Veesaar would be incredible! We've had Dorn and the other guard visit and nothing as of yet. Very good players are being signed every day. I don't want to wait to find out Kalkenbrenner isn't entering the portal again this year!

I want to buy in. I really do. C'mon Hubs and Tanner. Bring someone (good) into the fold!!! Make me believe!
 
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