That is going wild on facebook that Caleb Love might want to return now?
I'm sure it's nonsense, but figured it was worth some discussion lol.
I'm sure it's nonsense, but figured it was worth some discussion lol.
Anyone hear the rumor...
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No, I have not but he should not have left in the first place but he made that decision, now he has to live with it. If there is one thing that has defined Caleb Love for his 3 seasons with us it has been his ability to make a good decision both on and off the court. Caleb is a good kid but he makes some really questionable decisions putting it mildly. His leaving UNC, his committing to play for Howard, yet again, questionable decisions, decisions that do not deserve a do over.
It saddens me that many years after Facebook was exposed for being one of the world's leading sources of misinformation, there are still people who turn to it for news and information.
Of course it's nonsense. It came from Facebook.
I think leaving was the best decision he's made in three years. It just wasn't working out here. Both parties will probably be better off.
If I factor in how Hubert has treated him for the last 2 seasons, yeah he had to go I agree. But if he was "put back in the box" in other words treated like every other player he would have limits placed on him. It wasn't a lack of talent with Caleb, it was a kid spoiled with all that PT NO MATTER HOW BAD HE PLAYED, NO MATTER HOW MANY BAD SHOTS HE TOOK. I am sorry but that is on the coach yet we blame the player? I did see some signs late that Caleb was trying to distribute the ball more, that was trending in a much better direction even if it still had miles to go.
But we are talking about Caleb as a bad guy, a bad player, I just don't agree. PLEASE understand, we had 2 weak shooters on the floor (Leaky and Nance), we had a center whose range was about 5ft and in, and we had 2 guys that could knock down shots in RJ and Caleb. We didn't move defenses, we allowed our front court to be double and at times triple teamed, any drive saw a double and yet it was only RJ and Caleb that were jump shooters (and if we drove the ball one of those 2 were driving it, left 1 shooter to kick it to). So how often do you think our only 2 solid jump shooters got clean looks, very rarely unless they created it. We were really good at spreading our offense out, we just sucked at spreading the defense and to be a solid team it has to be the other way around. I look at the coaching staff for how this team played last season because it put us in a position to fail rather than succeed and that problem did not commit to Michigan and it never entered the portal.
I think they both have some blame. It's not only on one or the other. It's like a married couple getting a divorce. They might still have love for each other, but they are just better apart. I just don't see anything changing after three years.
I think most people would say he's not a bad player, he's just a talented player who has bad basketball IQ. That's a pretty fair assessment I think. I certainly haven't seen anything to suggest he's a bad guy, though. From the very little that I know about him, he seems to be a good person.
If Caleb returned does he come off the bench. I think he could be a great spark for the second unit, and if he gets it going then he gets to play longer that game, but I would not start him.
I think Caleb is his own worst enemy. Incredibly talented and athletic. I think over the years he just cant believe that there are people equally talented and athletic too. He believed his hype from high school and the "One and done" thing just didnt work out so he never developed his game and didnt work on the things that were plaguing him. His athleticism bailed him out in high school when poor decisions turned into wins cuz he was more athletic and talented. Faced with equal skills and athleticism...and the poor decisions didnt much go in his favor to the detriment of his team. Throw in a national stage and im sure it compounded the problems. Wish him well and I hope he is Big Ten player of the year....just NOT if we play him.
I've never met Caleb. AJ says Caleb is a good guy, and I believe everything AJ says.
On the other hand, I've watched him for 3 years and his on-court demeanor always made me think the chemistry - especially between Caleb and RJ - wasn't that great. Fairly or unfairly, I put that mostly on Caleb. The look on his face, his unwillingness to pass to RJ, and more.
Last year we saw some high fives between Caleb and RJ. Not a lot, but some. And yet it reminded me of kids who aren't getting along and the parent or teacher makes them apologize and shake hands. Which invariably produces a glum handshake and none-too-sincere apologies.
Whether we have Cadeau or not, I look forward to seeing how Caleb's absence affects RJ's play. Obviously losing the leading shot-taker will affect more than just RJ, but the impact will be greatest on him, I think.
Similarly, I will look to see if Caleb looks like a happier, more cooperative camper at Michigan. As @tarheel0910 says, this divorce may be best for all.
On the other hand, I've watched him for 3 years and his on-court demeanor always made me think the chemistry - especially between Caleb and RJ - wasn't that great. Fairly or unfairly, I put that mostly on Caleb. The look on his face, his unwillingness to pass to RJ, and more.
Last year we saw some high fives between Caleb and RJ. Not a lot, but some. And yet it reminded me of kids who aren't getting along and the parent or teacher makes them apologize and shake hands. Which invariably produces a glum handshake and none-too-sincere apologies.
Whether we have Cadeau or not, I look forward to seeing how Caleb's absence affects RJ's play. Obviously losing the leading shot-taker will affect more than just RJ, but the impact will be greatest on him, I think.
Similarly, I will look to see if Caleb looks like a happier, more cooperative camper at Michigan. As @tarheel0910 says, this divorce may be best for all.
Feel like I need to go re-watch "My Fair Lady" to prep for this reply? LOL It to me is a bit like that in that the player Caleb Love has been allowed to be "Bad Caleb". I am not saying Caleb has no responsibility in any of this, but who do you blame when that child acts up in a store? If the rod is spared the child is spoiled, in other words with no discipline from the bench the player has the ultimate "get out of jail " card, coach has to draw that line and enforce via the bench when that line is crossed. Not only was Caleb "allowed" in post game PCs we heard how good he played and then go on to see the same thing in following games. I do believe that what Caleb did on the floor was in his mind best for the team and a coach has to show him it is not as well as what he does need to do that does help the team. How do you let a kid go 5-26 in a natty game and lose it close at the end?
I can't help but look at how the kid was managed as a player and not see how so much of that could have been, should have been contained very early in his playing days with us. You have to put not just Caleb but all your players in position to succeed, not positions that near require failure. If a kid refuses to do what you instruct him to do you MUST very least bench him, at some point you may have to boot him but you do not reward him for poor decisions. Caleb was rewarded with huge PT and the greenest light to shoot I have ever seen in a UNC uniform, Joe Forte has to be jealous.
Caleb and Bacot have a NIL deal with the Ronald McDonald house. Both were obligated to be there.
Who is Michigan's PG? Could Caleb become their PG?
My sense was that Roy and Hubert chose RJ over Caleb because they thought that would help Caleb's offense more than it would hurt RJ, but I don't know if that's true. If so, it seemed to work during their sophomore years but not as juniors. But maybe Howard will want to try it the other way.
I suspect most of us would think Caleb doesn't have the basketball IQ to play point. But who knows? Maybe he'll blossom in a different system.
A shame K burned Joe Baker's redshirt year by playing him 18 minutes over 4 games at the end of his freshman year. Otherwise Caleb and Baker could play together. If both got their acts together that could have been a fun wing duo to watch.
My sense was that Roy and Hubert chose RJ over Caleb because they thought that would help Caleb's offense more than it would hurt RJ, but I don't know if that's true. If so, it seemed to work during their sophomore years but not as juniors. But maybe Howard will want to try it the other way.
I suspect most of us would think Caleb doesn't have the basketball IQ to play point. But who knows? Maybe he'll blossom in a different system.
A shame K burned Joe Baker's redshirt year by playing him 18 minutes over 4 games at the end of his freshman year. Otherwise Caleb and Baker could play together. If both got their acts together that could have been a fun wing duo to watch.
I had the feeling much of this past season that a big reason Cal;eb got so much PT in spite of lack of success had to do with the NBA-type offense Hubert wanted to run. That offense requires good outside shooting. Maybe Hubert figured that Caleb was his best option for that and if he kept shooting they would eventually start dropping.
That's similar to something I said a few times during the season: If Hubert thought he had a better option, wouldn't that better option be on the floor? Caleb averaged 35.7 mpg. And all his replacement needed to do was beat Caleb's dismal numbers on offense and defense.
Dunn shot better than Caleb, but that's on a small sample. No one else came close. Many of us wished Hubert would play him more, to see if more PT would translate into more growth, but Hubert wasn't willing to do that.
Oddly enough, Dunn got decent playing time in January, and did well. He was even MVP once during that stretch (14 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 steals in 26 minutes in the win over Louisville). Then again that was Louisville. Still, that stretch suggested that giving Dunn more PT could pay off. But it didn't continue. I can't remember, was someone injured during that stretch? Both RJ and Pete had stretches of injury, so maybe.
I think everyone needs to 'get over' Caleb and move on.... I may have done that a bit early (December) but now he's committed elsewhere and Hubert has filled his position it's probably time.
Caleb and the UNC staff agreed to mutually part ways when the season ended. There’s nothing that’s happened since then to suggest either of them is second guessing that decision.
He’s not coming back guys.
He’s not coming back guys.
Yeah, I think that clearly had to be the case, no other real way to justify it but that was such a bad decision. As it applies to last season, I don't know what was BETTER, Caleb's shooting or Hubert's decisions? Isn't that a bit like asking which bikini looked best on Lizzo?
Guys, can’t we just let Love go and wish him the best? He’s chosen to move on and it will benefit both parties, IMO. The odds that he’ll return are astronomically small. BTW, anything read on a social media site should be taken with a grain of salt this big.
Caleb Love cares.
That's why he tweeted it. Was that too difficult for you to understand?
I'm starting to understand why you get your news from Facebook.
Aren't you the one with fake sources from the coaching staff? Apparently defending you before was an err on my part.
I could personally not care less what a Michigan player thinks regarding rumors.
I stated right off the bat it was likely nonsense, but I posted it here because people were having fun discussing it on Facebook and this is a discussion board. If you can't handle it, you could simply not respond or enter the topic.
And, to be fair, more people leak insider sources from here and TOS to Facebook more than you post accurate "insider" information anyways.
Nothing fake about my friendship.
But you go ahead and keep spreading lies from Facebook, and melting down when players call you out.
No doubt about it, definitely the off season. Jericho shared something he saw on face book and even shared that he did NOT believe it. That is really innocent enough, it is really nothing more than I saw this, LOL, a nothing to see here LOL post that gets spun in to concerns about the feelings and wishes of a kid that elected to leave UNC, his decision yet I am in some way supposed to worry about what Caleb Love prefers to read said about him on facebook? LOL...REALLY...LOL
Message boards are fun when one man (Dave) knows everything and pisses on anyone else that tries to talk basketball.
What, yet another TO by Caleb? You just can't help but see the irony of this kid and his decisions!
Ummm, I want him back now. Caleb needed a reality check. I hope UNC gets him back!
I never asked Caleb to leave, I thought his low shot percentage warrants him getting less play time. We have two schollys left correct? Who could we get right now better than Caleb?
We were better the day he left. Why bring in more bodies to find minutes for and potentially create the next round of Portal Transfers.
You're assuming Hubert wants someone else. That might not be the case or at least no one else at his position.
Caleb is who he is. He isn’t going to miraculously become a different player overnight. Hubert spoiled him rotten by giving him the ultimate green light and not disciplining him when Caleb took bad shots or coasted on defense. I had a feeling the first time he saw Howard go off he would realize he wasn’t going to have all the latitude he had at UNC. Both parties are better off going their separate ways.
