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Taking bets on the next Dookie to transfer or redshirt. I'll go with Chase "Me Out The Door" Jeter.

The Heels will still win the ACC next year and will be pre-season top 5.

Poor Calipari. He is just steaming that K-Rat is kicking his butt.

Bolden is not an Okafor. Meeks will bury him.


Sorry Mikey....I hate Duke threads also...but just could not help myself.....lol
 
So I guess we should start a DI like fake ass thread saying congrats to the dookies?

Eff'em
 
PG: Frank Jackson
SG: Grayson Allen, Luke Kennard
SF: Jayson Tatum, Matt Jones
PF: Harry Giles, Chase Jeter
C: Amile Jefferson, Marques Bolden

That's good, folks. Scary good if those guys start gelling. I still say the Heels squeeze it out in the end though.
 
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I hate Dook but to pretend their success on the recruiting trail with this class isn't remarkable would be insane. I'd love to have 1 or 2 of those kids and damn if they don't have all of them.
 
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We're having the hardest time to get one top tier player to commit..but they're doubling up at each position

My thoughts exactly. We've certainly hit a rough patch lately. It's also why I'm not completely convinced we can get a top tier guy from 2017, however there is certainly more of a chance now that there is clarity on the scandal and Hicks and Meeks graduate next year.
 
I hate Dook but to pretend their success on the recruiting trail with this class isn't remarkable would be insane. I'd love to have 1 or 2 of those kids and damn if they don't have all of them.



UNC


Meeks, Bradley, Hicks
Hicks, Pinson, JJackson, Luke
JJackson, Pinson, Robinson, Woods
KWilliams, Woods, Robinson, Pinson, Jackson, Berry
Berry, Britt, Woods, White



I'll take our guys ANYTIME those overrated wimps want to give it a run...! In fact, I'll take our guys against ANY team out there. Then again, that is just me... :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
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How much do you think also stems from Roy not really liking one and dones.

I think that's largely a myth. He goes after those players too. It's the perception that Carolina is not a good place to go if your a OAD because Roy holds players back or gets them to stay longer, thereby hurting their draft status.

It's bull of course, but don't think K and Cal haven't been pushing that line towards these kids.
 
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UNC


Meeks, Bradley, Hicks
Hicks, Pinson, JJackson, Luke
JJackson, Pinson, Robinson, Woods
Woods, Robinson, Pinson, Jackson, Berry
Berry, Britt, Woods, White



I'll take our guys ANYTIME those overrated wimps want to give it a run...! In fact, I'll take our guys against ANY team out there. Then again, that is just me... :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Don't be a fool. Duke is going to be a whole different animal in 2016-17 with that roster they have. I'll take our guys too, but that doesn't mean that Duke is overrated by any means.

It's May so right now we just have to wait and see what next November holds.
 
Don't be a fool. Duke is going to be a whole different animal in 2016-17 with that roster they have. I'll take our guys too, but that doesn't mean that Duke is overrated by any means.

It's May so right now we just have to wait and see what next November holds.




I am no fool, however there are some real Tools that do post here newly and occasionally...
 
They have young 5*s--1 & dones--their roster is very impressive but our proven cohesiveness, chemistry and experience will make it a competitive ACC Title chase. (We have 5 McDee quarter pounders starting with Title game experience) it's close, we'll see
 
I would take my Heels over anyone too. They are my team and I think they'll be damn good next year.

But to call Duke "overrated wimps" has no basis or merit to it. I'm sorry we're not all wearing your set of rose colored glasses.




Just who in the hlell_o is "all" ? Not to be too critical but I do not think that your "all" comment holds true for many folks here... It seems to be more of a "you" comment to me. Then again, I guess that you can think whatever you wish to think. I happen to actually believe that UNC Basketball will be on par or BETTER than Duke next season...! It is a fact to me. Sorry, that you seem to prefer Dook much, much more than UNC (jmho)...
 
I like proven expierence players over highly talented players who must find a way to play as a team with many of them looking ahead to pad their stats for the NBA Draft next summer. On paper Duke is really loaded but thankfully games are not played on paper and you have to wonder if there will be enough ball touch time to satisfy many of the freshmen egos...
 
Just who in the hlell_o is "all" ? Not to be too critical but I do not think that your "all" comment holds true for many folks here... It seems to be more of a "you" comment to me. Then again, I guess that you can think whatever you wish to think. I happen to actually believe that UNC Basketball will be on par or BETTER than Duke next season...! It is a fact to me. Sorry, that you seem to prefer Dook much, much more than UNC (jmho)...

It's not a "fact" because nothing has happened yet! Christ Almighty we're six months away from November. Anything anyone says is speculation at this point, that goes for both of us.

Just because I acknowledge that Duke's going to have a really good team that will challenge for the ACC and national title does not mean I prefer them over a program/organization that I have been rooting for since I was 6.

But by all means, keep making really stupid assumptions.
 
Duke will be good but K will settle into his 8 man rotation and some players will rot on the bench as always. They will have chemistry problems trying to get all those 5-star players on the floor. I like our team to win the ACC and get a #1 seed. Giles will not be the same player with those knee injuries. Punston Allen will get a 5-10 game suspension for tripping at some point during the season.
 
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Duke will be good but K will settle into his 8 man rotation and some players will rot on the bench as always. They will have chemistry problems trying to get all those 5-star players on the floor. I like our team to win the ACC and get a #1 seed. Giles will not be the same player with those knee injuries. Punston Allen will get a 5-10 game suspension for tripping at some point during the season.

One can hope. That's a best case scenario. He had a pretty stacked team in 2014-15 and they all got minutes. I do agree that some of those players are going to be reduced to the level of benchwarmer.
 
Let me throw DeLaurier into the redshirt list. The kid loves Duke so K has trapped him. He would have fitted right into the UNC rotation. What a shame. Well, I guess he is set for life according to K-Rat.
 
Let me throw DeLaurier into the redshirt list. The kid loves Duke so K has trapped him. He would have fitted right into the UNC rotation. What a shame. Well, I guess he is set for life according to K-Rat.

With Bolden going to Duke now there's no way he gets any time.
 
I'll take our guys ANYTIME those overrated wimps want to give it a run...! In fact, I'll take our guys against ANY team out there. Then again, that is just me... :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Do we have any other choice?..because we damn for sure are not landing the same type of talent to battle with!!
 
First off, glad someone else started this thread, I wanted to yesterday but decided to let someone else do it cause I KNOW HOW MIKEY HATES DUKIE THREADS! LOL

Seriously, guys, to much of a good thing is just to much, it isn't good. This snagging Bolton IMO sets up a real problem for the dukies, it was going to be a challenge before Bolten but now building team chemistry is going to be harder. Right off the bat jeter needs to get his bags packed and start looking for himself a program he can play for because this getting Bolden just deminished him to deep deep bench at duke. Duke is now on the verge of re-branding itself as transfer U, they have already lost their one & only PG from that team and Jeter and Delaurier just lost huge PT. Neither committed to duke to sit the bench but unless serous injury hits the starters those 2 fellas are dealt out of the 2017 season.

K is going to cut his rotation down to his core 8 guys, K does not like to go deep in to his bench unless he is forced to, he believe his players play in to a games rythem, that playing to many players hurts the game rythem. Kinda of the opposite approach that Roy employs but we have seen many posters that do not like Roy playing such a deep bench, it is a trade off. But even Roy cuts down his rotation later season and in the post season. When K top grades down to his core 7or 8 several talented players will find little to no playing time. Those talented guys sitting on the bench did not commit to duke to sit on the bench guys.

Go back to the Fab 5, the original we can win it all with freshmen, yeah they were 5 talented guys but really, the Fab 5 was a Fab 3 with 2 other pretty good freshmen, those 3 dominated things. And the mix that the Fab 5 had was 2 nearly unstoppable big men and a very long and talented PG. They had the big strong guys that would out physical you on both ends in Webber and the long finess power forward that would shoot over you from distance if need be.

Look what duke has, no dominating big man inside the paint, Bolden is not bad but he isn't a game changer, not as a freshman. Actually jefferson may be more effective than Bolden because of his experience and defends pretty hard, could this make Bolden next years version of jeter?

Now you have Giles, forget about the knee issues, just from a him being 100% aspect, he is a scorer, he is some what in that Brandan Wright mold in that defense is not his area of speciality, he is on the slight build side for a power forward, he used to be able to get up really well but how much of that remains is TBD. But the main point is he is not Ochafor, Bolden is not Ochafor, they don't have an Ochafor, that big strong physical guy that out muscles opponents, they are finess guys. Tatum is the player folks, he is the Jamal Murry, he is the Winslow, he is the guy that should be the feature attraction but he really is not the jump shooter that say Parker was, he is more of a long wing that loves to drive & finish. Jackson is a heck of a talent but he is not a PG, he wil play a lot of PG and he isn't a great shooter either, he is a drive and finish type of guys as well. They have a lot of guys that are slasher types in that front and back court but not a ton of shooting and they just do not have a PG. Allen had the green light to shoot any time he wanted last season and was able to shoot himself in to a hot streak, he wil not be able to do that next season because the ball is going to have to end up with Tatum or Giles most often. Duke's best shooters will come off the bench in Kennard and Jones and both will see reduced PT, one may see extremely reduced PT, likely the sr Jones.

While yes, there is a lot of talent there, it is not balanced, they don't have a PG, their one & only PG just transferred out of the program so they have 2 guards playing the point. You guys know how important PG play is in the late season and in the post season. They won their last natty with 3 freshmen leading the way and one of those was a very quick and solid ball hander PG in Jones. They had the big physically strong center that could carve out his own space and finish in Ochafor, they don't have anything like that for next season, and they had the physically strong and yet solid ball handle wing that was also a outside shooting threat in Winslow and maybe Tatum can do some of that but very different than Winslow was physically. Giles, at his best is a silky smooth elevate over his defender mid range guy, kinda Brice like, recall brice as a freshman? he should be better than Brice was as a freshman but lets not assume he is NCAA 1st team either.

They have really talented individual players but as freshmen I don't see how it fits together right and this creates fertile ground of chemistry problems. Duke had chemistry problems last season, you don't see transfers and there not be chemistry problems guys. Jeter would be a fool to stay and Delaurier may be as well at this point.

But there could well be an even larger problem loomning for the dukies...
 
I love our Heels and the combination of talent and experience we have on our roster this year, but I'm going to go ahead and go on record as saying I'd love to have the problem of having to balance too many talented, top-tier players. Seems like a stretch to try to convince yourself it's a bad thing.
 
Don't be a fool. Duke is going to be a whole different animal in 2016-17 with that roster they have. I'll take our guys too, but that doesn't mean that Duke is overrated by any means.

It's May so right now we just have to wait and see what next November holds.

Didn't Duke have a top 2 recruiting class just this past season? Preseason top 5? Not saying these kids aren't good, but they have to play some college games before I give them the crown.
 
I love our Heels and the combination of talent and experience we have on our roster this year, but I'm going to go ahead and go on record as saying I'd love to have the problem of having to balance too many talented, top-tier players. Seems like a stretch to try to convince yourself it's a bad thing.

Not really trying to convince myself it is a bad thing jules, simply saying I love talent but there are now by my count 6 guys that will be looking to show case their game for NBA scouts and some of those 6 are going to have to take a back seat. You have Giles/Tatum/Jackson/Bolden who all believe they are one & done. You have Allen and Jefferson who are looking at this being their last season and need to show case what they can do. Who gets what they want and who takes a back seat? That is a problem...
 
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Roy, and Dean before him, never minded having a stockpile of talent. If they're high-character guys they will understand their role, work to prove themselves in practice, and do what they can to contribute to team success.

I'm not saying you're wrong that there is potential for issues. I'm just saying it's a problem I wouldn't mind having, and it seems a bit hypocritical to imply that you wouldn't want to land so many talented recruits.
 
I left off my 1st post on this thread by suggesting their could be an even larger problem looming for the dukies and I didn't want this to be lost in the clutter of that post.

Cal lit a 2017 recruiting problem, now all the sudden duke has a cluttered front court and yet they are shopping for big time front court talent from the class of 2017. Now ya say well yeah but much of their front court will be gone in a year and they will have plenty room for 2017 recruits. Problem is I don't see Bolden or Jeter or Delaurier as being able to enter the draft next year, they could transfer but if they don't then they can be place holders to cause guys like Carter, KNox, Bamba, and a few others to have second thoughts about available PT.

And flip it and say they do all enter the next draft because they have a great season, you take Allen, Jefferson, and the freshmen away, what do you have if the top shelf talent has already committed elsewhere? You got little to nothing, heck you are almost BC like? Tatum IMO is the only real sure fire bet to be one & done and yet they have now 4 freshmen that think they are one & done? That defines place holder, place holder like I would suggest JMM was for us, maybe meeks was for us, guys good enough that highly talented freshmen know wil take PT away from them.

Say you are carter right now and in the hot point in your recruiting process, you are gonna look at how much duke has in that front court now and you are gonna see exactly how much wide open PT is available at UNC in your freshman season. He can not help but be effected, Knox can not help but be effected, Bamba can't help but consider that. These IMO are much higher quality players than the last 2 recruitng classes have had and we are positioned to strike gold in this class, Roy is working on making that happen and can't count them as chickens til they hatch but the shells are starting to crack!
 
Roy, and Dean before him, never minded having a stockpile of talent. If they're high-character guys they will understand their role, work to prove themselves in practice, and do what they can to contribute to team success.

I'm not saying you're wrong that there is potential for issues. I'm just saying it's a problem I wouldn't mind having, and it seems a bit hypocritical to imply that you wouldn't want to land so many talented recruits.

The difference was back then on those Roy and Dean teams payers were not one & done like they are now days, they stayed all or most of 4yrs so they came in understanding their frosh season they were not likely to be spot lighted. Guys were not playing for the NBA as freshmen then, that has changed totally now.

I am playing for a lotto spot in a NBA draft, that means millions of dollars, high character vs millions of dollars, you do the math? Point is now days kids are making more of a business decision as opposed to a I love playing for this school decision and as you know, business is business and at timers it can be cut throat. Ben Simmons is one of the 1st 2 guys that wil be taken in this coming draft, do ya really think he cares that his team did not make the NCAAT last season, he walked off of it before they had a chance to decide if they would play in the NIT or not? You can call that poor character but the fact is the kid showed all he needed to show and decided he was not going to risk potential injury just to play a couple more games.
 
My thoughts exactly. We've certainly hit a rough patch lately. It's also why I'm not completely convinced we can get a top tier guy from 2017, however there is certainly more of a chance now that there is clarity on the scandal and Hicks and Meeks graduate next year.

Agreed. I feel like people on here are getting their hopes up on Carter and Bamba. Just like they did about Giles, and Ingram before him, and Parker and Wiggins before him, etc. I think that with the clarity - the chances of getting these top 5 recruits is now a little bit better - but this has turned into a fool me once, shame on you, fool me 5 times shame on me type thing. We haven't gotten a top 5 recruit since Barnes - so I'll assume that'll continue, until it doesn't. I've gotten my hopes up due to talk on here for the above names which never panned out - so this approach is better for my sanity.
 
Agreed. I feel like people on here are getting their hopes up on Carter and Bamba. Just like they did about Giles, and Ingram before him, and Parker and Wiggins before him, etc. I think that with the clarity - the chances of getting these top 5 recruits is now a little bit better - but this has turned into a fool me once, shame on you, fool me 5 times shame on me type thing. We haven't gotten a top 5 recruit since Barnes - so I'll assume that'll continue, until it doesn't. I've gotten my hopes up due to talk on here for the above names which never panned out - so this approach is better for my sanity.

Hark, one common thing between Giles, Ingram, Wiggins, Parker, let me add Randle, Ridley, Anthony Davis, Bazz, Adkins, Wall, Troy Williams the 2 kids that just entered the coming draft from Cal....I did try as best as I could to tell folks we were not getting any of those fellas. Bam was a guy I felt we had a great shot at until he linked up with a handler, that is when that ship sailed. I tried to go out of my way to get folks not to expect any of those guys and there were strong reasons behind every one of those decisions.

I am taking a much more positive tone with some of these 2017 kids and there are reasons for that as well. I am not trying to toot my own horn by saying that, just wanting to say there are reasons behind most of what I say and there are reasons I am so positive about those I have talked about in the 2017 class.

Now I am not going to claim to know how things will end up and anyone telling you they know right now will be telling you a lie but I like where we are trending, I like our positioning to be able to offer some of these kids what they want to buy, been a while since we have had the stage set this well and I am excited about it. And NO, it is not just because of the NOA we got, it is however a strong factor but it is much more than just that.
 
First off, glad someone else started this thread, I wanted to yesterday but decided to let someone else do it cause I KNOW HOW MIKEY HATES DUKIE THREADS! LOL

Seriously, guys, to much of a good thing is just to much, it isn't good. This snagging Bolton IMO sets up a real problem for the dukies, it was going to be a challenge before Bolten but now building team chemistry is going to be harder. Right off the bat jeter needs to get his bags packed and start looking for himself a program he can play for because this getting Bolden just deminished him to deep deep bench at duke. Duke is now on the verge of re-branding itself as transfer U, they have already lost their one & only PG from that team and Jeter and Delaurier just lost huge PT. Neither committed to duke to sit the bench but unless serous injury hits the starters those 2 fellas are dealt out of the 2017 season.

K is going to cut his rotation down to his core 8 guys, K does not like to go deep in to his bench unless he is forced to, he believe his players play in to a games rythem, that playing to many players hurts the game rythem. Kinda of the opposite approach that Roy employs but we have seen many posters that do not like Roy playing such a deep bench, it is a trade off. But even Roy cuts down his rotation later season and in the post season. When K top grades down to his core 7or 8 several talented players will find little to no playing time. Those talented guys sitting on the bench did not commit to duke to sit on the bench guys.

Go back to the Fab 5, the original we can win it all with freshmen, yeah they were 5 talented guys but really, the Fab 5 was a Fab 3 with 2 other pretty good freshmen, those 3 dominated things. And the mix that the Fab 5 had was 2 nearly unstoppable big men and a very long and talented PG. They had the big strong guys that would out physical you on both ends in Webber and the long finess power forward that would shoot over you from distance if need be.

Look what duke has, no dominating big man inside the paint, Bolden is not bad but he isn't a game changer, not as a freshman. Actually jefferson may be more effective than Bolden because of his experience and defends pretty hard, could this make Bolden next years version of jeter?

Now you have Giles, forget about the knee issues, just from a him being 100% aspect, he is a scorer, he is some what in that Brandan Wright mold in that defense is not his area of speciality, he is on the slight build side for a power forward, he used to be able to get up really well but how much of that remains is TBD. But the main point is he is not Ochafor, Bolden is not Ochafor, they don't have an Ochafor, that big strong physical guy that out muscles opponents, they are finess guys. Tatum is the player folks, he is the Jamal Murry, he is the Winslow, he is the guy that should be the feature attraction but he really is not the jump shooter that say Parker was, he is more of a long wing that loves to drive & finish. Jackson is a heck of a talent but he is not a PG, he wil play a lot of PG and he isn't a great shooter either, he is a drive and finish type of guys as well. They have a lot of guys that are slasher types in that front and back court but not a ton of shooting and they just do not have a PG. Allen had the green light to shoot any time he wanted last season and was able to shoot himself in to a hot streak, he wil not be able to do that next season because the ball is going to have to end up with Tatum or Giles most often. Duke's best shooters will come off the bench in Kennard and Jones and both will see reduced PT, one may see extremely reduced PT, likely the sr Jones.

While yes, there is a lot of talent there, it is not balanced, they don't have a PG, their one & only PG just transferred out of the program so they have 2 guards playing the point. You guys know how important PG play is in the late season and in the post season. They won their last natty with 3 freshmen leading the way and one of those was a very quick and solid ball hander PG in Jones. They had the big physically strong center that could carve out his own space and finish in Ochafor, they don't have anything like that for next season, and they had the physically strong and yet solid ball handle wing that was also a outside shooting threat in Winslow and maybe Tatum can do some of that but very different than Winslow was physically. Giles, at his best is a silky smooth elevate over his defender mid range guy, kinda Brice like, recall brice as a freshman? he should be better than Brice was as a freshman but lets not assume he is NCAA 1st team either.

They have really talented individual players but as freshmen I don't see how it fits together right and this creates fertile ground of chemistry problems. Duke had chemistry problems last season, you don't see transfers and there not be chemistry problems guys. Jeter would be a fool to stay and Delaurier may be as well at this point.

But there could well be an even larger problem loomning for the dukies...
I earlier posted it on the recruiting news thread. I decided from here on out other teams commits(especially dook) don't deserve their own thread if we aren't in the running. I also will never Fing ever give dook or moo any credit or acknowledgement of their success.
 
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