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It's rained here for almost a week straight!

Now we have another 7-8" on the way... probably.

This is when I am so glad I no longer live on the SC Coast (or coastline in general).

I have family south of Richmond, and friends in Charleston and Georgetown. But, this one doesn't look like a Hugo or Andrew. Wah-Keen sounds lame anyway.

I may avoid the GT game if it's going to rain the whole time.
 
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I'm here in NoVA, and we're probably looking at a 3-8 inches of rain as the forecast sits right now . . there is a report that Sunday's NFL game with Philly, may be postponed until Monday night.

Last I saw, it looks like its going to make landfall north of Hatteras . .
 
Anywhere that gets a direct hit, it's going to be ugly with all the rain we've had. That's what made Floyd so bad - the ground was already soaked from Dennis hitting, going out to sea, and circling back to sit over top of ENC while it dissipated. Then Floyd brought higher winds, taking down trees and backing up all the rivers and creeks and voila, you have a 100-year flood with entire communities underwater.

Fingers crossed it'll stay east off the coast.
 
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Of course not. The climate has been changing since the earth formed.

Yeah that's generally how a climate works. But are you seriously going to try and argue that human activity hasn't had a hugely negative impact on the environment?...
 
Yeah that's generally how a climate works. But are you seriously going to try and argue that human activity hasn't had a hugely negative impact on the environment?...


I'm not arguing that. I just don't see the cause for alarm. It's the cost of living.
 
Yeah that's generally how a climate works. But are you seriously going to try and argue that human activity hasn't had a hugely negative impact on the environment?...

Well, my father in law who is a dyed in the wool democrat and a retired professor of Physics at a prestigious southern university says that he does not find any proof exists that climate change is a man made phenomenon.

You convice him and I will pay a little more attention, but until that time, color me skeptical.
 
Cost of living. I'll let my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandchildren figure it out.

Well that attitude the root of the problem, but at least you admit it outright. Anyone with a functioning brain can clearly see we are screwing up the planet.

Cost of living? That's absurd. The industries that are largely destroying the planet are certainly surplus to our needs for survival
 
Well that attitude the root of the problem, but at least you admit it outright. Anyone with a functioning brain can clearly see we are screwing up the planet.

I will tell my Phd Physicist 2 time Obama voting FIL that you think his brain doesnt function.
 
I will tell my Phd Physicist 2 time Obama voting FIL that you think his brain doesnt function.

I have literally no clue how the fact that he voted for Obama could possibly be relevant but you have fun with that. Look at the oceans and the wildlife in them, look at the rainforests, the polar caps, ect. ect. Denying climate change is pretty much the equivalent of saying we faked the moon landing or you were abducted by aliens.
 
I have literally no clue how the fact that he voted for Obama could possibly be relevant but you have fun with that. Look at the oceans and the wildlife in them, look at the rainforests, the polar caps, ect. ect. Denying climate change is pretty much the equivalent of saying we faked the moon landing or you were abducted by aliens.

I have already acknowledeged climate change.

And if you don't understand the correlation between today's global warming crusaders and voting Democrat, then we should probably just shelve this discussion.
 
I have already acknowledeged climate change.

And if you don't understand the correlation between today's global warming crusaders and voting Democrat, then we should probably just shelve this discussion.

Sorry, I meant to say that denying climate change as a result of human activity is the equivalent of believing the moon landing was faked or you were abducted by aliens. I just don't understand how people can stare a scientific consensus in the face, which is backed by an incredible amount of data, and say no, I don't think these guys know what they're talking about.
 
Sorry, I meant to say that denying climate change as a result of human activity is the equivalent of believing the moon landing was faked or you were abducted by aliens. I just don't understand how people can stare a scientific consensus in the face, which is backed by an incredible amount of data, and say no, I don't think these guys know what they're talking about.

Well, apparently this data is not sound enough for one scientist I know and this is a guy who is inclined to want democrats to be correct. Also my brother and sister in law are both PhDs (chemistry, UNC) and they think man made climate change is a load of horse crap.

So I guess the real question is how did you become smarter than 3 PhDs?
 
Well, apparently this data is not sound enough for one scientist I know and this is a guy who is inclined to want democrats to be correct. Also my brother and sister in law are both PhDs (chemistry, UNC) and they think man made climate change is a load of horse crap.

So I guess the real question is how did you become smarter than 3 PhDs?

Wow, you mean you actually know three people with phD's who deny the scientific consensus of thousands of scientists? Well damn, I guess I'm stumped. You know someone who disagrees with man made climate change... Crap I've got nothing for that...
 
Wow, you mean you actually know three people with phD's who deny the scientific consensus of thousands of scientists? Well damn, I guess I'm stumped. You know someone who disagrees with man made climate change... Crap I've got nothing for that...

There are far more than that. There is no consensus that climate change is man made. You are espousing a myth. And we can get into a link war if you would like.

You are acting like an evangelical Christian when faced with someone who takes shots at Christianity. Which makes sense, because man made global warming is also a religion requiring a leap of faith.
 
I have no doubt that human activity contributes to the overall outcome of our environment. I don't think any is or could.

I'm not entirely trusting of either side of the argument. For one thing, too many people are making a living off of the fear of it. When anything becomes institutionalized, it's a lose-lose situation for everyone, especially those that will bear the brunt of the real outcome. Government, religion, medicine, etc., all are institutionalized. So, their need to exist, and stay relevant, and "in control" precedes whatever it may have been created to assist, counter, or improve, or warn against.

You can have faith without religion. You can have health without a doctor. You can theoretically have peace and structure without government, but you might have to keep the group small. It's not easy, but it's not impossible. The "not easy" part usually creates a huge door for Institutions to walk through!

Climate change has become institutionalized.
 
God...

It's a shame that people replace God with religion.

I'd like to dig a little deeper here. Humor me, if you will.

So, this vague God you speak of, what's his story? Did he create the heavens and the Earth? What are the main tenets of this god? Does this god have a holy land and if so, where is it? Are there any texts that explain the work of this god? Who were they written by?

Thanks in advance.
 
I'd like to dig a little deeper here. Humor me, if you will.

So, this vague God you speak of, what's his story? Did he create the heavens and the Earth? What are the main tenets of this god? Does this god have a holy land and if so, where is it? Are there any texts that explain the work of this god? Who were they written by?

Thanks in advance.
Sounds like you prefer religion.
 
I take that as you have no answers for my questions.

Thanks.
I'm not trying to be rude. It just sounded like you needed God to be structured like all the ancient religions try to convince people. I'm not offering religion.

No one can answer those questions for you. My understanding and experience with God is not really something I can describe to you. It's mine. I can share things, but only I understand God like I do. And, that's true for all of us. Hopefully we can find more common ground with one another. We should because we're all linked and we're all from the same source of being. We're all made of the same things. We share more than we ever realize.

God is something each person must find for themselves.

All the Holy Texts refer to God. All religions point to God. No one is more correct, or better, or "right." God is not restricted to religions. God is not even really the true author of religions. That's more of human's attempt to get back to God. It's evolutionary. I think that is why the presence of what is called "Atheism" is more prevalent now. Atheists believe in God, too. All of us believe in God. It's unavoidable. As I've said before, it's not a matter of IF you believe in God, it's HOW you believe in God. I think with the present-day abilities for awareness of all cultures to know all the other cultures, is making the realizations ibcrease faster than ever. In ancient times, people in Europe had no idea what people in North America were even doing, let alone how they understood God. But, all of them did, in their own way. There is still a resistance and fear of going beyond the ancient religions. The need for adhering to ancient religions, in a literal context and sense, is becoming a bit less frequent. It's not that people are discounting or denying the ancient religions at all. It's more of expanding on them. They are all just as relevant as ever, but we have moved beyond their literalness because our society and culture have advanced.

My experience is much like what is depicted in this clip:



It's a beginning for you (or anyone). It's much easier than me trying to type it all out. It's free and there's no tithe or membership necessary. God wants nothing from us. God needs nothing from us. It's been an awesome understanding for me. It makes perfect sense and there is no conflict at all for me. I'm very thankful.
 
I'm not trying to be rude. It just sounded like you needed God to be structured like all the ancient religions try to convince people. I'm not offering religion.

No one can answer those questions for you. My understanding and experience with God is not really something I can describe to you. It's mine. I can share things, but only I understand God like I do. And, that's true for all of us. Hopefully we can find more common ground with one another. We should because we're all linked and we're all from the same source of being. We're all made of the same things. We share more than we ever realize.

God is something each person must find for themselves.

All the Holy Texts refer to God. All religions point to God. No one is more correct, or better, or "right." God is not restricted to religions. God is not even really the true author of religions. That's more of human's attempt to get back to God. It's evolutionary. I think that is why the presence of what is called "Atheism" is more prevalent now. Atheists believe in God, too. All of us believe in God. It's unavoidable. As I've said before, it's not a matter of IF you believe in God, it's HOW you believe in God. I think with the present-day abilities for awareness of all cultures to know all the other cultures, is making the realizations ibcrease faster than ever. In ancient times, people in Europe had no idea what people in North America were even doing, let alone how they understood God. But, all of them did, in their own way. There is still a resistance and fear of going beyond the ancient religions. The need for adhering to ancient religions, in a literal context and sense, is becoming a bit less frequent. It's not that people are discounting or denying the ancient religions at all. It's more of expanding on them. They are all just as relevant as ever, but we have moved beyond their literalness because our society and culture have advanced.



It's a beginning for you (or anyone). It's much easier than me trying to type it all out. It's free and there's no tithe or membership necessary. God wants nothing from us. God needs nothing from us. It's been an awesome understanding for me. It makes perfect sense and there is no conflict at all for me. I'm very thankful.



So I trust that you don't celebrate Christian holidays?
 
I'm not trying to be rude. It just sounded like you needed God to be structured like all the ancient religions try to convince people. I'm not offering religion.

No one can answer those questions for you. My understanding and experience with God is not really something I can describe to you. It's mine. I can share things, but only I understand God like I do. And, that's true for all of us. Hopefully we can find more common ground with one another. We should because we're all linked and we're all from the same source of being. We're all made of the same things. We share more than we ever realize.

God is something each person must find for themselves.

All the Holy Texts refer to God. All religions point to God. No one is more correct, or better, or "right." God is not restricted to religions. God is not even really the true author of religions. That's more of human's attempt to get back to God. It's evolutionary. I think that is why the presence of what is called "Atheism" is more prevalent now. Atheists believe in God, too. All of us believe in God. It's unavoidable. As I've said before, it's not a matter of IF you believe in God, it's HOW you believe in God. I think with the present-day abilities for awareness of all cultures to know all the other cultures, is making the realizations ibcrease faster than ever. In ancient times, people in Europe had no idea what people in North America were even doing, let alone how they understood God. But, all of them did, in their own way. There is still a resistance and fear of going beyond the ancient religions. The need for adhering to ancient religions, in a literal context and sense, is becoming a bit less frequent. It's not that people are discounting or denying the ancient religions at all. It's more of expanding on them. They are all just as relevant as ever, but we have moved beyond their literalness because our society and culture have advanced.



It's a beginning for you (or anyone). It's much easier than me trying to type it all out. It's free and there's no tithe or membership necessary. God wants nothing from us. God needs nothing from us. It's been an awesome understanding for me. It makes perfect sense and there is no conflict at all for me. I'm very thankful.



So I trust that you don't celebrate Christian holidays?
 
I'm not trying to be rude. It just sounded like you needed God to be structured like all the ancient religions try to convince people. I'm not offering religion.

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Offering? You say that like I would possibly look to you for guidance as if you're on some higher level of spirituality. LOL

I'm perfectly happy buying into Christianity. I get everything I need from it. If it turns out that it was a big hoax, then the joke was on me, I guess. But I'll be dead so what do I care.
 
So I trust that you don't celebrate Christian holidays?
Sure, I do. Although, I don't think Christ was advocating for "holidays" necessarily. But, Jesus of Nazareth lived 2000 years ago. I even attended a Catholic Mass twice last year. I even lead the "Stations Of The Cross" last February at the local parish. Some of my closest friends are Catholic and I've come to know them and their religion a bit more, and I just sorta went to experience it. But, I don't wanna "buy into it." I don't even wanna do that figuratively, as you said it, or meant it. I wanna FEEL IT and know it. I want soul recognition.

I was raised in The Church of the Brethren- which is a pacifist sect church. Members were actually granted Conscientious Objector status during the draft in the World Wars and through Vietnam. That was my maternal family's church in south eastern VA and in NC (near what is now Eden). When my Dad died, it wasn't long before my family sort of disjointed from the church we'd all grown up in. Grandparents died, the nucleus shifts, etc. But, I never felt like the ancient teachings were giving me all I needed. I felt like there was more to be understood. Again, I wanted soul recognition. It also seemed that organized religion was just as divisive to humans of every society as it was uniting. I can't find two people of the same Sunday school class who can agree on the Bible, so how can I expect different denominations to agree, let alone totally different religions. I remember my folks always being up-in-arms about the pastor, or the treasurer of the church, or who was saying what the right way, or how they weren't earning enough for the parsonage, or 100 other things that seemed so unimportant to me... more evidence of institutionalized distraction, not Faith! Not to mention, I rarely found people who called themselves Christians actually acting-out as Christ did, from my understanding. I mean, even the basic stuff... the stuff in italics or red print in the Bible! The real meat and potatoes stuff. The labels seem hollow and indistinct to me anyway. But, still, God I know is always there for everyone of all beliefs.

I'm not averse to the teachings of Christ, or the Bible for that matter. Quite the opposite, actually. I happen to find them to be quite comforting and enlightening. But, I don't take the sub-plots in the Bible literally all the time, nor do I try to transpose them to modern-day situations in a literal sense. I basically think that the teachings of that day were much more valid for that particular generation and I believe that the "prophecies" have all come to pass. I also believe God speaks to us now just as much, or more, than the people who wrote the Bible. I can't tell you how many people I have met who actually think Matthew, Mark, Luke and John actually wrote down their gospels. I thought that myself as a child! Then I find out they were stories handed down for centuries in some cases.

I am reading the Gospels that were left OUT of the Bible, too- Thomas, Philip and Mary Magdalene and a few others. The people who decided those books weren't allowed in the modern-day Bible are no better judge of what should go in it than you or me. Organized religions have become so institutionalized that they need for there to be conflict in order to preserve themselves. It's identical to politics, nationalism and the like. "Our way is the ONLY way. And, Their way is the WRONG way!" are messages they love to push, both subtly and blatantly. Stuff like that just makes me have no interest in following them. I can believe and apply the basic messages. But, endorse the religion? No, thanks. I find wisdom in ALL religions. In fact, so far, they all say basically the exact same thing, only they have a different cast of characters and events. And, even the descriptions of both of those are quite similar!

Amazing how this started out a Hurricane thread.
 
Boy puts his in Global Warming.

Faith is the belief in something without evidence to support it. There is an astoundingly huge amount of evidence that climate change is both real and caused by human activity. The fact that you choose to ignore that evidence doesn't mean that I have "faith" in climate change.
 
Climate change has become institutionalized.

This is very true and a very real problem. While we hear everyday about the need to save electricity, save water, recycle, drive cleaner cars, almost nobody is mentioning the fact that we create far more greenhouse gases from animal agriculture in the form of the kind of factory farms you need to sell cheeseburgers for a dollar.

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As far as the god thing, he must be either incompetent or capricious in the extreme. Why else would thousands of children die every hour as a result of nothing but the circumstances of their birth? Why would he create a world where over 99% of the species that have ever lived on the Earth are now extinct. Quite the wasteful creator. Or maybe the plan wasn't that well thought out. After all we've been around for over 100,000 years, I would've thought he would've intervened sooner... Or maybe its more likely that we are the creators and these deities are just figments of our imagination. After all, when you take another human being's word on what happens after you die, you have taken the greatest leap of credulity possible.
 
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