Of course there are different degrees. And where did I say it was ok? I specifically said it wasn't ok. Maybe if you got off your high horse you could read better.
Cards must vacate 2013 championship
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Are you okay with Carolina housing some of our athletes in a ridiculously easy major for a couple decades to help eligibility, essentially stumbling into a loophole of NCAA rules and getting off on a technicality?
Like, it blows my mind that any Carolina fan can still take a hard line against others who are breaking the rules.
Agreed. As a Duke fan, I haven't mentioned the academic scandal on your board because I am a visitor....BUT it's probably best if we ALL hold off on casting stones right now, especially until the FBI investigation is over. If Duke is involved, I hope we are punished as well.
Absolutely. I'm not disillusioned that hardly any power 5 football/basketball players are "student-athletes".
Are you saying that "housing some of our athletes in a ridiculously easy major for a couple decades to help eligibility" is cheating? Are there rules against that? Your words in a prior post " The Louisville and UNC situations were different, and were ultimately adjudicated accordingly. " You were right because UL was cheating, UNC was not!
Ehhh, bro UNC was cheating. Or maybe if the 'C' word is too harsh for you, we were definitely coloring outside the lines. We just stumbled upon it innocently, discovered it, and then decided to keep rolling with it for a long time. We just either got lucky (or had the foresight to know) that it was in an area that the NCAA couldn't judge because it's outside of their purview.
I'm not gonna say what UNC did was horrible because it's not. We didn't put a gun to S-A's heads and force them to take the easy classes. And, UNC is a great school and competes in the same Division I against some schools with way, way lower entrance requirements, so it's inherently unfair for schools like UNC and Michigan and Duke.
So I'm not going to debate the merits or the degree of egregiousness of what UNC did. But you do realize the only thing that kept us from getting banners taken down was that SACS didn't invalidate the courses, right? If they did, it would have opened up the doors for the NCAA to take our title, just like they did to Louisville.
They didnt cheat to get the recruits that played on the title team. None of the recruits present at the party signed with louisville. Some players on the title team were present but they were already on the team.
Go back to crackride because someone who "never" read danny's garbage you seem to have fallen right in line with all of his lies.
You make it sound like Carolina made their student athletes take that major. Last I checked people are free to take whatever classes they like in college. And of course easy classes help with eligibility. Just like they help kids with academic scholarships sustain their required GPAs.
Hes not lying. U may not like the tone or the message but its the truth. We got off on a technicality. Those classes were a joke academically and were designed for the sole purpose (according to the person who designed them) to keep athletes eligible. Non athletes attending notwithstanding. It wasnt caught cause the dept operated without any supervision. Which is mind numbingly stupid in itself. Fortunately for us the classes were accredited and work was done by the students (albeit very little work) or we would prob be in the same boat louisville is. The ncaa can punish u if your players get credit for classes they didnt attend but they cant punish u if the players attended ridiculously easy classes.
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This. Literally the only reason we didn’t get nailed was loopholes in the NCAA rulebook. Those classes were a poorly disguised way to keep the athletes eligible.
This. Literally the only reason we didn’t get nailed was loopholes in the NCAA rulebook. Those classes were a poorly disguised way to keep the athletes eligible.
So true. Fact is as evidenced by the fbi case u can do all the right things in trying to run a clean program and have it ruined by an assistant or a player who had a moment of weakness in the face of getting some easy money. As for unc, in a similar fashion they had no idea crowder was operating the af am dept in the manner she was. Coach smith and williams certainly didnt either. Yet if not for some gray areas in ncaa enforcement they couldve both had their legacies tarnished.
We did nothing wrong. UL of did. And when the FBI stuff comes out, I'll pile on those that were found to be at fault. If we're found to be a part of it, then I'll work my hardest to excuse what we did. That's how I see it because I'm a Carolina fan. It's in my nature @skysdad.
You got a link for that person claiming to have designed the classes "for the sole purpose of keeping athletes eligible"? Hopefully not from a Raleigh news source.
Nobody took the bait on this - but my bet would be 0%. Nobody should have any illusions about how big-time NCAA athletics works. Every program in the country is very likely committing numerous violations of some NCAA rule or another every year. Some are way dirtier than others, but there are violations going on everywhere at all times.
I agree with this 100%. This isn't to exonerate the schools for blatant illegal behavior such as Louisville's... instead its a commentary on the outrageous overreach and arbitrary, out-of-date, unaccountable nature of NCAA. No school could possibly know - let alone follow - all their rules they have for trying to pretend or build this façade of STUDENT-athletes, instead of the reality of semi-pro athletes living on a campus and showing up to easy classes occasionally.
Its similar to our governmental bureaucracy. There are so many laws on the books that are illogical that the institution could bust anyone at any time if they wanted to come after you. Too much unchecked and illegitimate power in NCAA.
