Thanks man. You answered my question and some. The answer depresses me, but thank you all the same!
Colorado State PG Kyan Evans is Transferring to UNC
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The only thing that is important to me is seeing the Tar Heels improve. Whether everything said is absolute truth or spin by peeps it saddens me that it is said about the Heels. I will not hold onto the past though I will remain optimistic AND I see many reasons to feel good about the program!
If the coaches simply continue on their current growth curve and we continue to stockpile players, I see good things. If the new crop plays a better, more effective O the program will regain its cachet! If we see more intense D (and multiple) + keep rebounding I see positive outcomes. What I heard is everyone of the top PGs and almost all of the Bigs were willing to listen to our pitch! This is a great sign. What I see is a staff who has collected every single thing they say they wanted and now will have to coach them! I see potential to get even more peeps from within and without the program that fit our exact needs and it makes me feel great!
I believe we already have our PG and we will learn which one stepped up in due time AND I believe we are not done getting peeps who want to be at UNC! (I don't care if $$ or tradition is the reason as long as they play for team success!)
Tar Heels rise!
If the coaches simply continue on their current growth curve and we continue to stockpile players, I see good things. If the new crop plays a better, more effective O the program will regain its cachet! If we see more intense D (and multiple) + keep rebounding I see positive outcomes. What I heard is everyone of the top PGs and almost all of the Bigs were willing to listen to our pitch! This is a great sign. What I see is a staff who has collected every single thing they say they wanted and now will have to coach them! I see potential to get even more peeps from within and without the program that fit our exact needs and it makes me feel great!
I believe we already have our PG and we will learn which one stepped up in due time AND I believe we are not done getting peeps who want to be at UNC! (I don't care if $$ or tradition is the reason as long as they play for team success!)
Tar Heels rise!
Ouch. But not wrong. And you could say the same about Ian.
If you think you are NBA-bound and you see how future pros Elliot and Ian failed to develop here, you have to pay attention.
Sure, it could be that Elliot and Ian just aren't as good as we all thought. But as you point out, these kids have played against Elliot and Ian. They know how good they are.
It will be interesting to watch Elliot and Ian (and Drake if he also goes portal) next year to see how they fare under different coaching.
I cannot imagine running the same shit we ran last year with the personnel that is taking form. If he does, then Hubert deserves what more than half of Carolina fans are clamoring for, and that would be a new coach.
We are going to have a center in Henri that is going to be a star. Anyone that watched him against Duke in the tournament saw what that kid's going to be. We have a athletic slashing above the rim freshman at the four and our TBD at 3. Our "current" point card can shoot but should be at best the third option for our offense. I'm expecting our defense and definitely rebounding to improve. God forbid, we actually run the Carolina fast break through its entirety!
If we run that stand in the corner horse shit again, there might actually be a mutiny.
I’ll ask the question again - how many guys has Hubert sent to the league in his 4 years? Zero first round draft picks at a school like Carolina… That’s a pretty big red flag for recruits.
If Ian and/or Eliot tear it up this year that’ll even be a worse look.
Sadly, us being Point Guard U may have died when Roy left.
Hopefully Hubert can right that ship specifically, but if we’re being honest, I’m not the least bit confident. I’ve said to myself, if EC doesn’t want to be here, why in the hell would any other PG?
Well, I would gently say that it made even LESS sense to run it last season when we actually had a dynamic creator PG and a roster made for transition. Now, don't get me wrong --- seeing the full Carolina transition game return might save Hubert's job, but not using it last season was nothing short of malpractice.
TBH, this coming roster is shaping up to be more in line with his clunky offense (ideally with more true inside-out action).
Drake has a chance.
Although I would normally say he'd better off coming back, after last season all bets are off.
I will say this though --- if he somehow DOES decide to return, that could be a roster-saver (and job-saver) for Hubert, giving us the true dynamic natural 3-man that's currently missing.
Of the 3 - Elliot, Ian and Drake - I'd say Drake is the one that showed the most improvement while here. Whether that improvement was mostly his own work or whether he got developed by the coaching staff is hard to gauge. In the cases of Eliott and Ian, I tend to blame their disappointing development on the coaches. Does that mean I need to give the coaches credit for Drake?
Whatever, getting Drake for another year would be a great gift.
You literally sat on this board and said Andrew Platek should be starting over Coby White…
You have favorites….
? Coby White playing PG for this team last year or EC….You think we on the bubble jerk off…
I know we ain’t…Cause Coby White is a dawg and a Tar Heel….EC is mentally weak and soft….Glad he and his momma is gone…
Your posts used to be slightly credible, but recently they are getting less and less so.
You slapdicks like to take your shots at Gary & some of his takes but it’s obvious that he’s more informed on things Carolina basketball than anybody on the board, including our dbag resident comedian DC, who also seems to be well informed.
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Bruh, posting while shroomin' and drinkin' is a bad idea... Although if you think about it, as big of a fan I am of EC and wish the staff would have worked to keep him, it's hard to argue, EC seems to be mentally weak and kinda soft. However, he will be missed. It does get tired though, people singling out Gary like he has to be 100% on everything he types. Weird this obsession trying to prove him wrong... He actually shares a lot of good insight on this board. lmao, still talking about Platek?
Idiots have a hard time coming up with new material.
I'm confused by these statements. I believe we have recruited and played some dadgum good points recently and I believe we have a good one coming in. EC left even though we watched him get better his entire tenure. EC left and the opinion of that 1 player means no other PG should come here??? So Garcia leaving means we should never get a 4; Caleb leaving means we should never get a 2; etc
It will be hard for UNC to create teams since we can only expect 2/3 combos to want to play here! (I assume the corollary that Seth staying means we are good at developing combos)
Peeps sure do give up easily these days! UNC Family used to have a little more fortitude and used to be able to weather a few setbacks! Sign of the times I guess!
I prefer the new PG over EC
His ability to shoot from the point opens the entire court up.
His ability to shoot from the point opens the entire court up.
It depends on whether you think EC should have advanced more than he did here.
Either way, we wouldn't have EC next season. Either he transfers (to get better development, imo) or he gets that development here and is in the draft.
So either way, we would need a starting PG. Ain't hindsight great? But given that was true, was Evans really the best we could do? Not a knock on Evans; just curious.
Meanwhile, how EC does at Michigan may shed light on whether he got the coaching he needed here. It will never be conclusive, but it will be interesting to watch.
We all hope that's true. My worry from watching the highlights is that he was making those shots against light D. After seeing our foes hound RJ, I wonder if he will shoot as well here.
If Seth masters his 3pt shooting that should be much less of a problem. If not, our opponents will be free to put their best, in-your-grill defender on Kyre.
At least that's what I'd do as an opposing coach (from this way-too-early perspective).
If your point guard can't shoot the defense will clog the lanes, a very bad situation. I really hoped EC would improve, but if he had any talent for shooting jumpers we would have seen it by now.
EC only ever seemed to shoot the 3 when he was wide flipping open- and even then he passed it up often. The New PG appears to look to find his shot more.
Been on this board for over 20yrs and I pride myself on my memory… never bothered to correct this narrative but may as well now.
IIRC Gary felt Platek was more a natural 1 and Coby a natural 2. And his point was to have Coby playing off the ball.
That take, whether right or wrong has manifested into the libel that’s been thrown at Gary since.
By the way, Coby plays off the ball for Chicago, and put up career numbers at the end of this season with a seemingly slow and clunky point guard passing to him (go the Aussie)
If you put your best defender on the PG, Seth will thrive and he is not dependent on 3s. He can slash, he has a good mid-range, and can finish or kick. Kyan will have options to pass to, even more if they focus their D on him. If our Bigs command more attention, he will also be a kick out 3 or drive option. I hope opposing coaches will focus their D on Kyan! I believe our bigs can score and all of our wings have scoring chops too!
Barring big improvements, I (speaking as an opposing coach) am willing to let Seth get his share on drives. Without good perimeter shooting to space the floor, it's easier to shut down other players. So, yes, if Kyre is the good shooter we hope, I expect opposing coaches to try to shut him down.
That's Hubert's challenge.
With any luck, Kyre will be hard to defend.
Kyrie is a great shooter and scorer so coaches already know he can't be stopped!
Kyan has proven he is a + shooter and will get some really good looks since our front court will be a match up nightmare. I really don't know how we can look at the same games and not agree that Seth is a problem if he is driving against either a closeout from doubling the bigs or Kyan. He often got into the lane either around, over, or through his defender. Once inside, Seth has shown he has good vision and can finish in the trees, get fouls, or dish! No big improvement is necessary in anything but his 3 point shooting . He needs to tighten up his handles some and get a little better at keeping spacing as a point. As a 2, he is almost there already! BTW: Seth's share can easily be 20+ points + shutting down your top scorer so I don't know if you want to let one player get that. IMO peeps are spending way to much energy trying to find fault and little acknowledging the obvious improvements in roster construction, recruiting, coaching, and in individual players!
Kyan has proven he is a + shooter and will get some really good looks since our front court will be a match up nightmare. I really don't know how we can look at the same games and not agree that Seth is a problem if he is driving against either a closeout from doubling the bigs or Kyan. He often got into the lane either around, over, or through his defender. Once inside, Seth has shown he has good vision and can finish in the trees, get fouls, or dish! No big improvement is necessary in anything but his 3 point shooting . He needs to tighten up his handles some and get a little better at keeping spacing as a point. As a 2, he is almost there already! BTW: Seth's share can easily be 20+ points + shutting down your top scorer so I don't know if you want to let one player get that. IMO peeps are spending way to much energy trying to find fault and little acknowledging the obvious improvements in roster construction, recruiting, coaching, and in individual players!
I think we are a much better team when the scoring is more balanced across the whole line up rather than rely on 1 or at times 2guys to give us lion share of shot attempts. If you have a mismatch exploit the heck out of it but all 5 involved is for me the far better approach.
Looking at the 4 guys we now have from the portal as well as the incoming freshmen this looks a lot more like a Ray Williams team than what ever that was we watched last season. While it is to soon to know, I do suspect that Hubert FINALLY learned something important. He saw for himself that you need positional length, that maybe 4 around 1 is not the best way to approach a game. I think you will now see more balanced scoring and a far better defensive team.
Did you just compare Platek to a starting guard in the NBA…Giddy is also 6’8 and puts up triple doubles…Now if that had been Platek I would have had no problem with Coby sliding over to the 2…
Unfortunately that is not the real world and Platek was not a high level basketball player at this level…
No I didn’t compare Platek to Giddy…
And if that’s all you took from my earlier post it is easy to deduce the true problem here… you have jumped to a conclusion based on a comment and you’re making that conclusion the narrative.
Who knows, you may spend the next seven years replying to every post I make with a Giddy/Platek libel, and that’s OK, because I can see you have some sort of issue with comprehension, and I’ll let it slide.
I will ask you this question….
That year with Coby at the 1….If he moves to the 2 and Plateck at the 1 do we win more games…
I don’t know, no one knows because it didn’t happen.
And again, the point of what I’m trying to say is that Gary never said Platek was a better pg than Coby, he said he’d like to see Coby play off ball with Platek at the 1.
And yet, over half a decade on, you continue to run with a false narrative, just to bash Gary.
Do you think that might be a bit petty?
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