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De-Fund the U.N. - NOW!

Israel was taken from the people living there in an arbitrary fashion by the allies after ww2 in order to find a place for all the displaced european jews. Many of whom were trapped on a ship that countries including the us refused to allow to dock. The borders established in the middle east paid no attention to centuries old tribal and religous affiliations and conflicts. The displaced people were forced into a ghetto much like the ones the jews were forced into pre ww2 in europe.

So yea they been bitching ever since.

Those same people were living there under British rule. And if you want to cite Biblical boundaries then there is no doubt Israel belongs to the Hebrews.

It's a shitty situation, but Israel allows Arab citizens and Arab vote. The Palestinian State affords no such luxury to the Jews.
 
Those same people were living there under British rule. And if you want to cite Biblical boundaries then there is no doubt Israel belongs to the Hebrews.

It's a shitty situation, but Israel allows Arab citizens and Arab vote. The Palestinian State affords no such luxury to the Jews.

Living under british rule never ends well lol.

Theres plenty of blame to go around for the violence. we just hear israels version usually. But i'm at the point where we just let em fight it out and may the strongest survive.
 
Those same people were living there under British rule. And if you want to cite Biblical boundaries then there is no doubt Israel belongs to the Hebrews.

It's a shitty situation, but Israel allows Arab citizens and Arab vote. The Palestinian State affords no such luxury to the Jews.
The problem is this has nothing to do with a 2000 year old book. My religion is Christian but the Palestinian have as much right to the region as the Jews.
 
Israel was taken from the people living there in an arbitrary fashion by the allies after ww2 in order to find a place for all the displaced european jews. Many of whom were trapped on a ship that countries including the us refused to allow to dock. The borders established in the middle east paid no attention to centuries old tribal and religous affiliations and conflicts. The displaced people were forced into a ghetto much like the ones the jews were forced into pre ww2 in europe.

So yea they been bitching ever since.
End of thread....
 
End of thread....
Not really. Groups of peoples have been snatching land from other groups of people since the beginning of time. Palestine should have sucked less and they'd still be in complete control of their land. Ditto for Native Americans.

A few poasts up, either you or heelman said that Palestine has a right to their land. I would assume whoever poasted that would agree that America has a right to our land. Well, how did we come to possess this land? That's right, we killed off and forced out the current inhabitants as well as the nations looking to get a piece of pie.
 
Theres plenty of blame to go around for the violence. we just hear israels version usually. But i'm at the point where we just let em fight it out and may the strongest survive.

If we do that Israel wins in a landslide.
 
The problem is this has nothing to do with a 2000 year old book. My religion is Christian but the Palestinian have as much right to the region as the Jews.

Exactly. And the Israelis are willing to let the Palestinians live in Israel. But the Palestinians are not willing to let the Israelis live at all. (Serious)

How anyone sides with Palestinians is beyond me. (Serious)

And as a Trump supporter, I am obviously anti-Semitic. (Trolling)
 
Not really. Groups of peoples have been snatching land from other groups of people since the beginning of time. Palestine should have sucked less and they'd still be in complete control of their land. Ditto for Native Americans.

A few poasts up, either you or heelman said that Palestine has a right to their land. I would assume whoever poasted that would agree that America has a right to our land. Well, how did we come to possess this land? That's right, we killed off and forced out the current inhabitants as well as the nations looking to get a piece of pie.
Very good post! The only problem I have is the fact that other countries like the US stuck their nose into the conflict
 
Very good post! The only problem I have is the fact that other countries like the US stuck their nose into the conflict

Other countries stuck their noses in as well. Palestinians would be extinct if not for Iranian and Saudi funding.
 
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Exactly. And the Israelis are willing to let the Palestinians live in IsraelBut the Palestinians are not willing to let the Israelis live at all. (Serious)

How anyone sides with Palestinians is beyond me. (Serious)

And as a Trump supporter, I am obviously anti-Semitic. (Trolling)
Other countries stuck their noses in as well. Palestinians would be extinct if not for Iranian and Saudi funding.
Same can be said for the Jews if not for the US and I'm saying not that I want any people to become extinct
 
Same can be said for the Jews if not for the US and I'm saying not that I want any people to become extinct
"the U.S." should probably be replaced with "Russia" to make this statement more accurate. They saved everyone's bacon in WW2, giving us time to fully immerse ourselves in the conflict and then figure out how to flex our new military might.

Very good post! The only problem I have is the fact that other countries like the US stuck their nose into the conflict
Yeah, but we both know why the U.S. did that: "Christian kinship with the Israelis" is a nice-sounding front to cover up the simple, cold, hard fact that we needed/need Israeli as an ally in the oil-rich and terrorist-ridden Middle East.
 
Same can be said for the Jews if not for the US and I'm saying not that I want any people to become extinct

Not just the US- all of NATO (also known as Western Civilization)

And it's a symbiotic relationship
 
Yeah, but we both know why the U.S. did that: "Christian kinship with the Israelis" is a nice-sounding front to cover up the simple, cold, hard fact that we needed/need Israeli as an ally in the oil-rich and terrorist-ridden Middle East.
I'm not sure that their distinction as being an American ally is doing America any favors at all. In fact, I think it does more harm than good.
 
"the U.S." should probably be replaced with "Russia" to make this statement more accurate. They saved everyone's bacon in WW2, giving us time to fully immerse ourselves in the conflict and then figure out how to flex our new military might.


Yeah, but we both know why the U.S. did that: "Christian kinship with the Israelis" is a nice-sounding front to cover up the simple, cold, hard fact that we needed/need Israeli as an ally in the oil-rich and terrorist-ridden Middle East.
This dynamic really didn't emerge until the 1956 Suez Conflict in which several countries invaded the Sinai to prevent Nasser from nationalizing the Suez Canal (which would have impacted world oil supply and pricing, 8 years after Israel was founded) and was accentuated in the aftermath of the 1973 Yom Kippur War, 25 years after Israel was founded. US original thinking for backing the formation of Israel was to find an appropriate region to settle in the region after Hitler tried to wipe them out...
 
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As long as groups of people can find new (or ancient) ways to be threatened by each other, and choose to remedy that by slaughtering each other, then everything will be fine.
 
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As long as groups of people can find new (or ancient) ways to be threatened by each other, and choose to remedy that by slaughtering each other, then everything will be fine.

How dare the Israelis be threatened by people trying who swear to kill all Jews and then commencing to trying to do just that? If the Israelis would just be tolerant and accept the terrorist killings of their citizens, then they would be much safer.
 
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How dare the Israelis be threatened by people trying who swear to kill all Jews and then commencing to trying to do just that? If the Israelis would just be tolerant and accept the terrorist killings of their citizens, then they would be much safer.
My comment was dark satire directed at the entire human race, in general. All groups, sides, affiliations included. I wasn't referring to just those two.

The UN is, at least, an attempt for the tribes to evolve beyond their primitive instincts of solving disputes by destroying each other.
 
The UN is, at least, an attempt for the tribes to evolve beyond their primitive instincts of solving disputes by destroying each other.
That may have been the original purpose, but that is not what it is today. You can argue that their actions today lead to more conflict, not help to peacefully resolve it.
 
I dont "side" with either. But there is plenty legit reasons for the palis to be pissed. Israel isnt gods chosen.
How dare the Israelis be threatened by people trying who swear to kill all Jews and then commencing to trying to do just that? If the Israelis would just be tolerant and accept the terrorist killings of their citizens, then they would be much safer.

Yes exactly! And the palis should learn to accept being removed from their land and forced into a ghetto where they can only come and go at the permission of the people who took their land. Seems reasonable. Why cant they just get along?
 
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That may have been the original purpose, but that is not what it is today.
Kinda like the Constitution, the Electoral College, the US being a Republic, the States having sovereign rights, and the concept of the United States, in general.

The United STATES is basically the test pattern for the UN. It's pretty rare that Massachusetts goes to war with Connecticut.

If people remain tribal, it doesn't bode well for the species. ESPECIALLY now! The tribes can now destroy most all living things on the planet along with themselves if they choose to be stubborn and let that fear-driven ego rule them. I guess the Age of Cockroaches will come.
 
They should only allow countries with human rights histories similar to ours?

I'm no fan of irans govt but the us govt forfeited the moral hi ground decades ago when it comes to human rights. It may not be as bad as other countries in that its not as visible or publicly acknowledged but if u think our govt doesnt routinely violate human rights on a daily basis you're mistaken.
Who's human rights are being violated daily by the US government?
 
Uhhh, google US Constitution. Wouldn't exist if we hadn't WON the Revolutionary War.

So the post referred to the mid east being under british rule. Well in EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE of british colonization the citizens have been MISERABLE! Subject to imprisonment, torture, murder. Someone said "well the US turned out pretty good. Well yes AFTER WE REJECTED BRITISH RULE AND HAD TO GO TO WAR much the same as EVERY OTHER BRITISH COLONY except maybe who...the bahamas? So once again...british rule never ends well. Unless you're saying we are better off returning to that.
 
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Good grief

Imprisonment without due process (gitmo)
Killing civilians (drone strikes/bombings)
Siezing land and property w/o due process (imminent domain/ amer indians)
Torture
Random stop and search (license checks/airports)

Should i go on?
Yes, I'm afraid you'll need to go on for DFP. Conservatives live every year like it's 1946.
 
Good grief

Imprisonment without due process (gitmo)
Killing civilians (drone strikes/bombings)
Siezing land and property w/o due process (imminent domain/ amer indians)
Torture
Random stop and search (license checks/airports)

Should i go on?

Gitmo- fail, enemy combatants
Drone strikes- fail, enemy combatants
Eminent domain- I disagree with it, but it follows the law. Fail.
Which American Indians are we taking land from every day, currently?
Torture- fail, enemy combatants
License checks, searches- overzealous at times, follows the law. Fail.

Good grief, indeed.
 
Suck it, strum.
Whip it out.

Oh, wait... you'll probably need these:
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Gitmo- fail, enemy combatants
Drone strikes- fail, enemy combatants
Eminent domain- I disagree with it, but it follows the law. Fail.
Which American Indians are we taking land from every day, currently?
Torture- fail, enemy combatants
License checks, searches- overzealous at times, follows the law. Fail.

Good grief, indeed.
I think it's quite possible that you were born to be completely obedient and subservient. I hope to hell you served in the military because you are a "follow orders" guy.
 
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