I don`t see anyone blowing things up, but YOU~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dennis Marshall
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Loved watching Kendall as a player. I do not know anything about happened behind the scenes with him on staff but to compare the landscape of college basketball now with what it was in that timeframe is just trolling for replies.
February 4th, 2011 - Larry Drew announced he was transferring from UNC
May 6th, 2010 - Wear Twins announced they were transferring from UNC
You'd think Dennis would at least remember Drew since his son was at UNC when it happened.
To be fair, 2010-2017 time frame was PRE wide open transfer portal and NIL. IN fact, when having to deal with these 2 issues Roy retired. While Hubert has for sure made a LOT and repeat a LOT of mistakes the landscape is simply different now than when Roy coached.
Here is the thing, any NCAA head coach that has the father of one of his assistant coaches saying negative things on social media about the players, the coaching staff, or the institution is going to find him self another assistant coach, Roy would not have tolerated that any more than Hubert did.
I had a bit of a war a while back with a poster here, poster claimed to be near BFF with Sean May, t6ried to portray that Sean was feeding him information and that poster ran here as quick as he could to post it, a LOT of it not complimentary toward Hubert and his decisions. See, it just does not work that way, release tid bits from PRIVATE conversations will get a coach fired in a skinny minute and for good cause. ANY and ALL negative tone discussions are handled between the head coach and his staff BEHIND CLOSED DOORS and the assistant coaches know full well what can be discussed in public and what can not be, cross that line and you are unemployed.
No disrespect but if he really wants to comment on college bball he could do.that without specifying RW. In light of all his previous comments this strains credulity to think it isn't aimed at Hubs! At best it is a lapse in judgement then!
Maybe he needs a filter between his brain and fingers!!
Maybe he needs a filter between his brain and fingers!!
jordan is a fave of mine, but he also took 2,279 shots that season, the most of any season in his career...in this day and age, other guys are not gonna watch a guy shoot that times...not a lebron/mj debate, but in LBJ 3rd year, he shot his most attempts ever 1823 and averaged 31ppg ( his career avg is 1402, while mj is 1636)...James Harden biggest shooting season was 2018-2019, taking 1909 shot, many of which were 3s (13 per game) and averaged 36ppg, his career average shots per year is 1178, low 1st three years and last 3 years
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Breaking news: Michael Jordan was really good at basketball.
Jordan also did that while getting the shit beat out of him. He would probably be shooting twice as many free throws in today's game.
Bulls roster that season:
Gene Banks
Mike Brown
Fred Cofield
Steve Colter
Dave Corzine
Earl Cureton
Darren Daye
Pete Myers
Charles Oakley
John Paxson
Ben Poquette
Brad Sellers
Sedale Threatt
Elston Turner
Granville Waiters
Perry Young
So who else should have been taking shots???
That was idiotic even for a proven pukebag! What exactly was he trying to say??? Maybe if I had a cheer sheet with footnotes I could understand his point! Jordan was on a team that wouldn't get next at the Y and he suggests MJ should have shot less??
BTW: Gene Banks is one of my favorite ACC players despite going to puke! I loved watching him skywalk and try to beast peeps on the way to the rim! He is class and on the extremely short list of pukies I respect!
BTW: Gene Banks is one of my favorite ACC players despite going to puke! I loved watching him skywalk and try to beast peeps on the way to the rim! He is class and on the extremely short list of pukies I respect!
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just wow what?...not digging at MJ....Marshall is right, gonna be tough for anyone to average 37 in this day and age, cause it will take a lot of shots and not many teams are built today to have a single guy do that....i think you misinterpreted?
i agree Bubs, i was agreeing w/ Marshall...tough for anybody to get 37 a game, as it would take a lot shots to do
where in the world did i say mj shouldve shot less???...i was agreeing w/ Marshall...teams arent built that way today for a single guy to be that dominant, because it would take a lot of shots to do so
I think it would be really interesting if MJ were to play today. If you take his 37 PPG season, I'm betting teams would really sag off him and load the paint today. And the players are better and more athletic today so I think they could contest his athleticism more today than they could in the 80's. He would obviously still be unbelievable. But in the 2022-23 NBA regular season, all SG's that averaged more than 20 PPG, the lowest 3PT percentage was 31.9%.
MJ only shot 18% from 3PT in his 37 PPG season, but that was an extremely small sample 12/66. He had a really strange 3PT shooting career. The seasons he attempted over 200 3's, he shot over 35% in all of them (4 seasons). The seasons he attempted fewer than 100 3's, he shot less than 30% in eight of them.
So idk if MJ just didn't shoot 3's despite being a capable 3PT shooter. Or if his good, yet coincidentally highest volume, shooting seasons were a fluke. Very strange. I'll say that if he were an 18% 3PT shooter in reality playing today, defenses would make it difficult for him. You just don't see absolutely terrible 3PT shooters score at a high volume today.
The only guy in the NBA today who is an elite scorer but a terrible 3PT shooter (sub 30%) is Giannis. But he's also a different species.
great take....mj did so many other things, the 3ball just was a low percentage attempt for him...his best % seasons where 1995-1996 and 1996-1997...95-96 111-260 @ 43% and 96-97 111-297 @ 37%....it def seems when he shot a lot his % was good from 3pt overall
Yeah right.
And I can just hear it now: "Hey MJ, we don't care about winning all these titles --- we just want more shots."
Indeed. And don't get me wrong. MJ would've been amazing in any year in basketball history. But if he were an 18% 3PT shooter today, I'm not sure if he would have the same productive 37 PPG season, regardless how bad his team was. Maybe it would neutralize because he'd get fouled more in today's game but 18% 3PT shooting would be beyond a liability. But again, he took so few 3's that he probably was better than an 18% 3PT shooter with a decent sample size.
I've often wondered what LeBron would do in a season if he was only hunting his scoring stats. Like that one Kobe year where he averaged 35 PPG. If LeBron had a season where he averaged 27 shot attempts, what numbers would be put up? There's only one time in his career he really did that and that was in the 2015 Finals when Kyrie and Love got hurt. LeBron averaged 33 FGA/game and averaged 35.8 PPG against the best team in the NBA. If he took 27 shots/game for a regular season in his prime, could he average 40? I'm not sure. He isn't naturally the scorer that MJ or Kobe was, which is ironic since he has the most career points in NBA history. But he's more efficient than MJ or Kobe.
I think his history shows that he would have worked on his three point shot significantly more if he played in today's game. No doubt he would have at least been an average three point shooter. And he would have absolutely took advantage of the defense having to play off of him more. If I had to guess, his career average would be closer to 35 and I could easily see him having a year where he averaged 39-40 points.
No teams are built that way because there are no players capable of doing it. And in the remote chance there is a player capable of doing that, he's too mentally fragile to take on that burden. I'm looking at you LBJ.
Jordan didn't take many 3s in most years because he didn't need to. I'm a firm believer that if Jordan played in this era, he'd be the best 3 point shooter in the game. If they did away with the 3 ball and all shots were two and dunks came back, he'd be the best dunker in the league. If you got more points for mid range shots and everybody started doing that, he'd be the best mid-range shooter in the league. If Jordan wanted to lead the league in assists and he believed it gave him the best chance of winning, he'd lead the league in assists. If Jordan wanted, he'd be the best at anything in the league in any era.
It was an obvious, granted subtle shot at a Tar Heel from a dookie. Saying “Jordan is a fave of mine” is akin to saying “I come in peace” & we all know how that works out eventually, the troll shows his ugly head. I can tell you that a similar take from one of us on your board would be met with much more hostility.
90% of the posters on social media do.
Indeed they would. And yes, it was a subtle dig at the GOAT.
if you say so man, everything isnt duke/unc and everybody isn't message board a-holes..i thought it was a good post to engage in....i made that reference to avoid, not decoy and NOTHING WAS NEGATIVE OR DISPARAGING, not sure how a few of you took it that way....getting 37 a game moving forward would be daunting as it would take a lot of shots and in this era too many good guys on teams to watch another guy do that (which goes right along w/ what poster said about how bad that team was, he had the greenlight and situation to do so)...whats so nefarious about that...and as for "my" board, maybe so, maybe, but it'll never be me, i dont rock like that
Maybe I overreacted, but I have a very long memory! Maybe this is a new and more enlightened version, but I have seen some pretty trollish posts and statements on multiple boards by you Sir! Agreeing with someone with clear troll tendencies doesn't help either. I have been banned on puke hole sites for years so I don't know what happens now, but I used to! I'm also banned on TOS for some reason, lol!
The fact is MJ is different so trying to compare what peeps are doing now to what he might have done is silly at best! He came in the league as a volume scorer! Peeps said he couldn't shoot jumpers and he became one of the best ever. Peeps said he was all O, and the next year he was defensive POY and stayed on the All D team for the rest of his career! Peeps designed defensive schemes to stop him (mostly by thugging him) and he beefed up and scored even more! If he played now with access to all the metrics, nutrition, advanced training techniques, rules disallowing even touching guards, and comp by peeps like JBJ, Giannis, Slim, Embid, Brown/Tatum, Dame and Jokich, he would find another gear!
The fact is MJ is different so trying to compare what peeps are doing now to what he might have done is silly at best! He came in the league as a volume scorer! Peeps said he couldn't shoot jumpers and he became one of the best ever. Peeps said he was all O, and the next year he was defensive POY and stayed on the All D team for the rest of his career! Peeps designed defensive schemes to stop him (mostly by thugging him) and he beefed up and scored even more! If he played now with access to all the metrics, nutrition, advanced training techniques, rules disallowing even touching guards, and comp by peeps like JBJ, Giannis, Slim, Embid, Brown/Tatum, Dame and Jokich, he would find another gear!
I think you are mistaken about me, I have been posting on here for a LONG time and dont do that run to other board stuff, talk crazy stuff, just aint me man, I'm not built like that...in regards to jung, he made a good post and we had convo and none of it was negative, nor knocked MJ in any way, it was about basketball......and you are spot on about MJ and no one was comparing, it was all about the volume of shots and even being complementary that it was accomplished w/ a low volume of threes and that that feat wouldn't probably never be duplicated again...agreeing w/ Marshall
Kendal could make an excellent head coach, on the court Marshall's greatest asset was his vision and passing. The greatest asset of any head coach is there vision of the game, think of the way Kendal played, and then think of how coach Davis wants to play. Basketball goes in circles, and the pass first floor general PG will come back around, Kendal just needs to find the right team to teach his style mixed with today's game.
Boogie, you seem like a good dude even if your fandom is misguided, but we all need somebody to pull against. I know better than anyone, that everything isn't dook/UNC, but on these boards it gets pretty intense between some fans. Any of us could meet up in a bar and get along great until we figured out one was a Tar Heel and one was a Blue Devil. Crazy how that works. You are usually pretty rational, but this was a clear slight at MJ, even if it was unintentional, even subconscious. I'll add that I have been to your board and have been very respectful (minus the Mark Mitchell comments, which are truth btw) and have been greeted very rudely, much worse than you have been here.
thanks...fandom in perfect alignment =).....bar scenario, that wouldn't change my opinion unless you are jerk, good people are good people, but i get what you mean...out of my brain to this keyboard, IT WASNT A SLIGHT,...sorry about that Mitchell (which thread?) response to you ...rudeness and such goes both ways (all over these boards), i just know i dont partake
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I do agree, I actually like boogie a lot, most of what some may see as me getting on him is more me just joking with him. The guy has always been pretty fair when he posts here and he gets a lot of barbs thrown at him because we all know he is a dukie. I don't mind dukies coming here to post, never have, as long as it is both kept civil and realized that at the end of the day this is a UNC Tar Heel site and not a dukie site so what you say has to be restricted to a degree as to preserve the peace here. Hard as that is, we don't always get along with our own fans but a dukie has to accept that being treated fairly is not high on our list of to do for today. But just being a duke fan should not brand someone for being a bad person, we to often do blurr the lines between hate in the way we call it sports hate, which isn't hate at all but simply our competitive juices bubbling out.
The meet in a bar thing, that is actually my mantra for posting, I NEVER, mean that, I NEVER say a single word in posts here that I am not 100% wiling to say face to face over a beer or 3. When I have been fired up, trust me, even then I have never said a single thing that I would not say face to face and at times it most definitely would have lead out to the parking lot, would not be the first time. LOL I suspect boogie has thicker skin than maybe I do and my compliments to him for that!
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