We don’t defend and I don’t think they hungry. Heads are too big. We needed a wake up call and got it.
Deserved to lose
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Maybe Hubert will be able to get their attention now, he stated what they run in practice is not what they do during the game.
WHERE is Styles..howabout Nickel,Mccoy...The fascinaction with Dunn boggles my mind Nance was a total nonfactor and once again someone has a career night shooting vs us. Terrible game..only thing worse was the pathetic job Mack did Again!!!!!
yeah .. with all the close games to start the season against community colleges these NIL big headed children needed an L hung on their head. This group is an early disappointment ! Bacot is clueless as to his role and Love is clueless when it comes to team ball. Trimble was a bright spot with his defense. This "Run it back" team is playing like a sweet 16 good bye so far. jmho
They've been trying to lose all season, they finally succeeded
No bro…RJ was horrible….he was glory seeking today and failed….Love let the refs and RJ foolishness get in his head….Bacot was just bad
We got hot at the right time last year. Ultimately this is the same team we saw the first 30 games.
They were overrated from the get-go. They're not the team they were last year in March. And unless something seriously serious happens, they're not going to be anywhere close to that team either.
They are going to get their doors blown off in Assembly Hall (Indiana) that is a given.
I agree with you, but what has changed, beyond Manek being gone, which granted is a big piece. They have the physical gifts and talent to play with anyone. And shouldn't everyone who is back, especially Love, RJ, etc - have actually gotten better, at least not regressed? I think Bacot has regressed, I don't know what to do about that.
Other than Nance - all these guys have played together a lot! It's not like at this point they should be wondering how to play with each other, and what stuff Hubert wants them to run.
I think they can be OK if they get back to playing together. I wonder if the number one ranking and how last year played out in late March / April, has this team in a mental funk. Reading their own praise, and just thinking they can go out there and the #1 ranking alone should win them the game.
"How dare the other team try? How dare we as Heels be expected to give more than 50% effort - playing hard, smart, together for even 30 let alone 40 minutes?"
Last year we were a borderline top 30 team that got hot and made a run.
We are that same level right now, we just aren’t playing well.
We are that same level right now, we just aren’t playing well.
Another year of experience is the only guarantee that comes with another year of experience. No guarantee that you get better.
It’s still early but this team is somewhere in between last year’s borderline NCAA tournament team and runner up team.
It’s really hard to have sustained success when you need Caleb Love to be really good every game to be a really good team. He just isn’t that guy.
I thought RJ would be better. Or at least more consistent.
But again, if you had Final Four expectations, you need to change them. Lol. They have Final Four potential. But it shouldn’t surprise any of us if this team also loses in the first round if they’re in the 3/14 or 4/13 game.
It’s still early but this team is somewhere in between last year’s borderline NCAA tournament team and runner up team.
It’s really hard to have sustained success when you need Caleb Love to be really good every game to be a really good team. He just isn’t that guy.
I thought RJ would be better. Or at least more consistent.
But again, if you had Final Four expectations, you need to change them. Lol. They have Final Four potential. But it shouldn’t surprise any of us if this team also loses in the first round if they’re in the 3/14 or 4/13 game.
How long have you guys been fans? I stopped putting any stock in losses in November a long time ago
The biggest problem is when we went away from the 2PG model and put the ball inRJ’s hand. He is not a PG or play maker…..he is a small 2guard with low basketball IQ.
How in the hell can you dribble that much and have 1assist? Caleb as bad as he played had 3assist
College hoops has been about guard play for as long as I’ve been a fan. Right now we’ve got 2 guys who are pressing to be what they were 8 months ago and minus Caleb yesterday, they’ve been pretty lousy. I’m going to be steamed about a loss to an ISU team that won’t make any noise, but I have faith that Hubert will coach them up and things will improve there.
My big concern…the bench. They were better today, but still waiting for a bigger impact. Of course they need time to make that impact and the minutes are pretty scarce right now…
My big concern…the bench. They were better today, but still waiting for a bigger impact. Of course they need time to make that impact and the minutes are pretty scarce right now…
I agree with this...if you just go through the motions in the last year. Its not inevitable to stay the same or regress. That is largely a choice by the player at this age. Do they want to put in the work, or not? Surely RJ, Love, Bacot haven't peaked or maxed out regarding reaching their potential as an individual player and as a team player.
But if you take to heart what the coaches (and pro scouts) tell you that you need to work on, put in the work...bust your butt with a massive chip on your shoulder, take no prisoners, something to prove, vengeance for how last year ended... you are bound to get better.
And maybe that will still come....but I don't see it right now - in any of these guys, except maybe Leaky and Puff. Nothing consistently better about Bacot, Love, Davis, regarding passing the ball and developing an inside game especially against smaller opponents.
I just think that the chemistry that they developed with Brady was unique. And his abilities to score and force teams to guard him, and score out of his mind anyway, is just a factor that can't be underestimated. And without him, and what he provided, it just leaves a huge hole. I don't think they'll even be elite 8 maybe not even sweet 16.
It’s a flawed roster. You have high volume and inefficient scorers in Love and Davis. You have Nance and Bacot who need the ball to have an offensive imprint (although parts of Nance’s game is encouraging). And you have a bunch of absolute offensive zeroes right now off the bench.
It’s going to be a clunky offense all year. And I don’t think there’s a Brady Manek on this team who can take the pressure off everyone else without having to dribble.
If RJ and Caleb each shoot sub 30% from 3, they share the blame for most everything, lol.
Hopefully they get progressively better and strike lightning in March again. But overall, top 15-20 team.
Iowa St was too quick for us.
They gave the visual impression of being better coached.
It's hard for us to win when neither Caleb nor RJ is shooting well.
We couldn't guard either Grill or Holmes.
Someone please remind me why I wanted Nance. Yeah, yeah, I know the reasons. They just weren't on display today.
They gave the visual impression of being better coached.
It's hard for us to win when neither Caleb nor RJ is shooting well.
We couldn't guard either Grill or Holmes.
Someone please remind me why I wanted Nance. Yeah, yeah, I know the reasons. They just weren't on display today.
I guess we all agree we just got hot at the right time, meaning largely at certain times, Love, RJ and Manek led with their play, not so much necessarily holding each other accountable, or being a coach on the court, as a leader. I think the whole "rah rah scream and shout, closed door team meeting" stuff is overrated....
but I do think this team lacks a true vocal leader on the court, who would hold people accountable for soft play, help them get their stuff together on the court, etc. Like Hans, Danny Green, Joel Berry, Marcus Paige, Kendall Marshall, Ray Felton, etc.
You can see most of the people I named are PGs. No way is Love going to be that guy. That isn't who he is. End of day he can fake it a bit, but Love is mostly about and out for Love. Too cool to be a leader of others when he thinks he is the only sure-fire NBA player on the team (LMAO at that delusion by the way).
I don't see any leader like that developing. Bacot is a ghost, soft as it comes regarding being an aggressive vocal leader.
Crazy at it may sound, I think the most likely candidates at this point for strong leaders are Leaky and Nance.
but I do think this team lacks a true vocal leader on the court, who would hold people accountable for soft play, help them get their stuff together on the court, etc. Like Hans, Danny Green, Joel Berry, Marcus Paige, Kendall Marshall, Ray Felton, etc.
You can see most of the people I named are PGs. No way is Love going to be that guy. That isn't who he is. End of day he can fake it a bit, but Love is mostly about and out for Love. Too cool to be a leader of others when he thinks he is the only sure-fire NBA player on the team (LMAO at that delusion by the way).
I don't see any leader like that developing. Bacot is a ghost, soft as it comes regarding being an aggressive vocal leader.
Crazy at it may sound, I think the most likely candidates at this point for strong leaders are Leaky and Nance.
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Doing that "homage" to the 1982 sports illustrated cover with Dean Smith and the seniors or upper classmen, is going to prove to be one of the most foolish, embarrassingly premature efforts for promotion. Rivals are going to laugh at it, and use it to take shots at the program from now on. Kind of reminds me of the kentucky, 40 and 0, predictions. Only this is a whole lot worse.
Calm down everybody. It is November last time I checked. We had lots of mistakes and errors tonight and those will be addressed. Again, calm down folks, it's a long season that only matters in the end.
Played good enough to win, then got fat happy, then panicked. Nance is Really good. If team makes crisper passes,takes better shots, and make free-throws, they could've won. Probably hang another loss or two in coming weeks, but if makes the team gel and grow, so be it. Just get in it, to win it!
NANCE has been the vocal leader since the first game. The problem hasn't been a lack of a vocal leader( Nance) or a lack of a great unselfish teamate ( Leaky).
This team lacks an offensive flow and philosophy at this time.
Our bigs are not running the floor like past bigs, secondary is almost non- existent. We seem to be strictly ball screen and everyone else stand. There is so little action off the ball resulting in screens or cuts. Some of this is due to getting new guys involved, but some is lack of dirction frpm the staff.
OMG !!! Are you under the weather, certainly hope not? Never thought I would hear those words from you on Love, by the way you call him Caleb.
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