Do We Make the NCAAT? What's Your Prediction?
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The majority view earlier was that we had to at least beat Duke, if not win the ACCT. We didn't do either.
But right now Lunardi has us clinging to the last spot (play-in).
I wonder how the Boise State - Colorado State outcome will affect us.
CORRECTION: We were last in earlier this morning. Now we're 2nd on the First Four Out list.
But right now Lunardi has us clinging to the last spot (play-in).
I wonder how the Boise State - Colorado State outcome will affect us.
CORRECTION: We were last in earlier this morning. Now we're 2nd on the First Four Out list.
All the talking head talk is about Quad 1 record. That’s the weakest part of the Heels resume. It used to be if you had a negative record in your conference you had to beat somebody(s) in the non conference. Apparently that does matter any more. Don’t believe the boys will get in. Tough way to go out but it is what it is…
I agree. If you can’t beat Dook with their best 2 players out, you don’t deserve to be n.
We need to be loading money into the truck so we can back it up to whoever the best big in the portal is front door!
i don’t know how this team gets in unless it’s about eyeballs and brand…at this point it’s texas vs boise st vs carolina.
if colorado st beats boise st tonight does that help?…who the f knows, but we shouldn’t be in this situation.
eta: and xavier too as i’m reading on twitter…
if colorado st beats boise st tonight does that help?…who the f knows, but we shouldn’t be in this situation.
eta: and xavier too as i’m reading on twitter…
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Getting a bid is akin to a participation trophy now….
1-12 really makes for a hard sell. If you’re a “last 10 matter” person, we were 8-2, but several wins were Q3 & Q4, which means you had no bad losses more than anything else.
Also we were 1-6 against the top 4 teams in ACC… a conference rated 5th (barely above the Atlantic 10).
Indiana has close to the same record as us, plays in a better conference, and is 4-13 in Q1 and 15-0 in Q2-Q4 (we’re 21-1). How could anyone say we should be in over them?
Also we were 1-6 against the top 4 teams in ACC… a conference rated 5th (barely above the Atlantic 10).
Indiana has close to the same record as us, plays in a better conference, and is 4-13 in Q1 and 15-0 in Q2-Q4 (we’re 21-1). How could anyone say we should be in over them?
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Last line here is perfect @gteeitup.
I know this makes me a hater and a bad fan, but I'd just as soon they not make it. If they are in a play-in game, they might be matched against a low- or mid-major team, a team from a tiny conference and they might win.
But, would making the tourney somehow give some credence to Hubert and the staff that they did OK this year, and that ANYTHING about this year was acceptable for the program, that Hubs knows what he's doing, that the coaches and players are collectively improving, that the program is heading in the right direction? I'm a big NO to all of this!
I suppose we have so see if Hubert can do something next year with more NIL, a program GM, etc. But shouldn't a coach be measured on getting the most success out of the individuals he has, to be as successful (in wins, period) as a team, as you can?
Hubs and this coaching staff gets a fat F on that this season, beginning to end. He should be on very hot seat. And IMO it shouldn't be glossed over in the future, IF every few years we luck out with a huge load of great recruits, and Hubs occasionally coaches them to S16, or E8 on a very good year. If your coach can't make you better, can't optimize the results with the guys he's given, its time to go.
i wonder if the game against Cooper Flagg-less Duke helps or hurts. You can make a legitimate argument either way, especially if you think Duke is a top 10 team without Flagg (which I don’t think so).
I don’t think UNC is above Texas. Texas has like 5 quality wins.
I don’t think UNC is above Texas. Texas has like 5 quality wins.
yes, but wait til they go to an even higher number of teams in the tourney. Then you can have some real sub-mediocre teams in the tourney. This Heels team has done nothing all year to merit a bid. One eek out win against a just OK UCLA team? They needed near miracles in two games OOC to get wins. Zero wins to hang hat on...and yesterday is a game they absolutely needed to win, with Duke having two key pieces out, and not really playing for their tourney lives or seeding, like UNC was.
I voted optimistically: Play In bid. But part of me feels that ESPN will use its weight to keep UNC out: further rile uo UNC boosters who then, ESPN hopes, will follow the FSU lead and Balme the ACC rather than ESPN.
ESPN is a total piece of excrement.
ESPN is a total piece of excrement.
When it comes down to brass tacks, I don't think the committee has the balls to limit the ACC to 3 teams.
Lunardi moved Indiana into the Last In spot after Boise State lost. We're now after Boise State in the First Four Out.
How does that make sense? Yeah, our Q1 record sucks, BUT.... Does NET rank mean nothing? Does beating weaker teams mean nothing? Does a good finish mean nothing?
How does that make sense? Yeah, our Q1 record sucks, BUT.... Does NET rank mean nothing? Does beating weaker teams mean nothing? Does a good finish mean nothing?
| Team | W-L | Last 10 Games | NET Rank | Quad 1 Record | Quad 2 Record |
| UNC | 22-13 | 8-2 | 36 | 1-12 | 8-0 |
| Boise State | 24-10 | 7-3 | 43 | 3-5 | 5-2 |
| Indiana | 19-13 | 5-5 | 54 | 4-13 | 5-0 |
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What does ESPN have to do with this? The entire NCAA tournament is broadcasted on non-ESPN/Disney channels. CBS, TNT, TBS, TruTV.
CBS has the first exclusive rights to the bracket.
It’s funny that the blame is going to these conspiratorial areas. Here’s an idea. Want to play in the NCAA Tournament? Do better than 1-12 in Q1 games.
Did ESPN cause UNC to lose those games? I know everyone despises Cory Alexander but the players and coaches lost those games. Not anyone affiliated with ESPN.
Another example of standards dropping. Blaming others. Look in the mirror first if you want to solve problems.
dook winning would help more, especially if comfortably, as it gives credence to the top quality of the team minus Flagg.
None of the last 1 or 2 teams has a definitive advantage over another. The season is done. Have to live with the results. All 3 of those teams probably have more reasons to miss the tournament than to make it. And all 3 had ample opportunities in their own way to prove their worthy of the tournament.
I think UNC is the best team out of the teams competing for the last spot. But I wouldn’t blame anyone if they didn’t get in. They had their chance. This season is on them and no one else.
I thought the quad wins were not gonna be a factor this yr .. unless the media is using them & not the committee
1-12 in Q1 is a stinky, smelly pile that you just can't cover up or enhance.
The quad 1 record is a major minus and hard to overcome, maybe too much. I believe the key is an old tried and true committee standard. Non conference scheduling. Texas and IU had abysmal cupcake schedules, Xavier poor as well.
If a question on last bubble types, they normally award the team who went on the road or neutral by choice. Those games make TV money ( the most important thing to the schools, those TV contracts) for non conference matchups and the game overall. That is UNC. They do not want to award playing weak teams at home as opposed to UNC @ Kansas, Florida neutral, or Maui/Bahamas invites being turned down. They want to encourage those matchups.
That is the best hope I think. And Bubba is the chair of the committee this year.
If a question on last bubble types, they normally award the team who went on the road or neutral by choice. Those games make TV money ( the most important thing to the schools, those TV contracts) for non conference matchups and the game overall. That is UNC. They do not want to award playing weak teams at home as opposed to UNC @ Kansas, Florida neutral, or Maui/Bahamas invites being turned down. They want to encourage those matchups.
That is the best hope I think. And Bubba is the chair of the committee this year.
i’m just glad we gave hubert an extension because of the fantastic job he’s done since he’s been here
There’s an exception to every rule or trend just go with it for goodness sakes
Hopefully they hold on to the big margin. A 18 point or so thrashing without Flagg, gives the much needed extra boost to the dogfight loss as not a negative. Every inch counts.
It makes the ACC look worse when the best team does it without their full force.
Looking at the committee members this year, Bama is the only other tournament team represented, other than Bubba who is this year's chair. Heck, Oklahoma State is the only other power 5 representative.
If you are going to have a year with your AD, as chair, I think this is a good one to hold some sway. He won't be able to vote on UNC directly, but he is chair.
If you are going to have a year with your AD, as chair, I think this is a good one to hold some sway. He won't be able to vote on UNC directly, but he is chair.
The ACC was not looked upon highly already. Clemson and Louisville were solid, dook was elite. The question was is that still a 1 seed team without Flagg, that Carolina played to the last possession. An arse whipping makes that argument much easier to make.
It certainly doesn't hurt, and probably helps. How much, meh, not sure.
Even if we do make it, nearly just as embarrassing to be playing a Tuesday night play-in game in Dayton. Potentially eliminated before the real tourney tips on Thursday.
Q1 losses where “we almost had them” isn’t a counting stat.
You may say, yeah, but we made it. Like @NathanFielder said, my how the standards of acceptability have lowered.
Q1 losses where “we almost had them” isn’t a counting stat.
You may say, yeah, but we made it. Like @NathanFielder said, my how the standards of acceptability have lowered.
In a way they are. The NET, KEN POM, efficiency index, are looked at. That is what makes those up.
Here is how much "wiggle" room is in the official rules for selection, what is to be used for selection reasoning. Plus a couple more. It matters.
- NABC rankings /coaches opinions
- Watching games throughout the year / individual eye test
- Regional school rankings / schools opinions
- Head 2 Head, and common opponents
*- Non conference strength of schedule
- Quality of wins / Quads
- Computer metrics / NET, KEN POM, Efficiency
- Road records
- complete box scores / how close or blowout
All official reasons for selecting
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