Love will not be back, just waiting for the announcement.
Do you think Caleb will be back?
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Reasons we suck...
Cant shoot.
But if you cant shoot...at least play defense...
NO DEFENSE
No cohesion
No leader
Poor Substitution
Poor in game coaching
Still Cant shoot.
Poor in game decision
Poor shot selection
No discipline
No development of the bench (we have no bench now so NOT a problem)
Horrible offensive schemes (schemes dont win...Trick plays only work once)
Low Basketball IQ
NIL
Transfer Portal
Can I still blame it on the cheating scandal
Felton's Herpes
Roy leaving (although I thought it was time for him to call it quits)
No PG. (when we were really good....Lawson, Felton, Coda, Marshall, Berry were PG's first, not combos)
No drive
Attitudes on team (Me Me Me, aint gonna cut it)
I am sure I could go on...but whats done is done. HD needs to right the ship. Right now the rowboat is going crazy with everyone rowing different directions. We need to gather who stays (and who we pick up in "free Agency", build some chemistry and unit cohesion. Dump the stupid AAU defense and offense and go back to stepping on peoples throats from the outset of the game. and "draft" some quality SHOOTERS. If you cant play a lick of defense at least be able to shoot. Walton was LOST and clueless...but at least he could shoot.
Cant shoot.
But if you cant shoot...at least play defense...
NO DEFENSE
No cohesion
No leader
Poor Substitution
Poor in game coaching
Still Cant shoot.
Poor in game decision
Poor shot selection
No discipline
No development of the bench (we have no bench now so NOT a problem)
Horrible offensive schemes (schemes dont win...Trick plays only work once)
Low Basketball IQ
NIL
Transfer Portal
Felton's Herpes
Roy leaving (although I thought it was time for him to call it quits)
No PG. (when we were really good....Lawson, Felton, Coda, Marshall, Berry were PG's first, not combos)
No drive
Attitudes on team (Me Me Me, aint gonna cut it)
I am sure I could go on...but whats done is done. HD needs to right the ship. Right now the rowboat is going crazy with everyone rowing different directions. We need to gather who stays (and who we pick up in "free Agency", build some chemistry and unit cohesion. Dump the stupid AAU defense and offense and go back to stepping on peoples throats from the outset of the game. and "draft" some quality SHOOTERS. If you cant play a lick of defense at least be able to shoot. Walton was LOST and clueless...but at least he could shoot.
If you look through this post and lots of others on this site, Caleb is the one that's being called garbage, selfish and a lot of other things that aren't warranted. I said he was not the sole reason, I said it was a whole team effort and that includes Caleb. Sure he can be more selective with his shots, and focus more on mid-range or drives to the basket, but playing 35 plus minutes a game is not conducive to any college player being at his best each game. The previous NCAA tournament run gave folks a certain expectation, but none of the players lived up to what we all hoped. Not to mention it's very difficult on the offensive end playing 3 against 5 cuz Leaky and Nance weren't really guarded. Caleb averaged 17 pts a game and I'd say optimally it would be better if he averaged no more than 15 on less shots. If they had a 3 and 4 that were dependable scorers, the season would've been totally different. How many times was Leaky or Nance left wide open at the end of games and missed the shot. That wasn't done by accident. It's on the coaches to put the players in the best place to succeed. If Caleb is struggling, then Hubert needs to sit him down and let him watch for a while. That's exactly what Roy would've done. The same should be done for any player that is not having his best game or may be a negative on the team. That makes it even more important to develop a bench.
Better for both parties! I will wish him the best for what he did in his time here..it’s time for him to move on though
You're saying the same thing everyone else is saying, but somehow you are upset at everyone else. Seems odd.
Caleb made some mistakes for sure but folks looking to lay blame for this season at his feet are just wrong, I slipped in to some of that myself, I was wrong. The simple reality was we far to often had to run our offense 3 on 5 and one of those 3 is a big that has very limited range and not a high riser. Defenses tried denying the ball to Caleb, they constantly double teamed him when he got the ball and many times he even had to deal thru triple teams. WE waste most of the shot clock and the ball gets to Caleb to put up a prayer for the shot clock expires and we blame Caleb for the misses?
Gonna tell you right now, I think we are a better team if Caleb comes back. I do want him to clean some things up, his ball handles just are not what they need to be, I can do without the 2 or 3 heat checks per game for sure!
Gonna tell you right now, I think we are a better team if Caleb comes back. I do want him to clean some things up, his ball handles just are not what they need to be, I can do without the 2 or 3 heat checks per game for sure!
Are we expecting some sort of announcement from him shortly? Seems like we should hear something pretty soon
I will channel my inner Grover.
Caleb, I am sure, is a very decent human, and I am confident that Love Will Find a Way, but:
He didn't put himself in games.
He didn't leave himself in games when he was playing poorly and inconsistently.
He didn't give himself a never-ending and limitless greenlight to shoot whenever and from wherever.
He was not involved in the inability of the coach to recruit over him, or at least recruit a serious competitor for PT.
With these issues, the buck stops with HD, and if cornered, he would agree. Unfortunately he appears to be more than willing to allow fans to blame certain players like Love for this dumpster fire of a season.
I'm sure Grover would agree, Love could have worked harder to become a better and more consistent defensive and offensive player. But he didn't, and he should have spent more time on the bench to sort out his game and improve his weaknesses. Again, that points back to HD and the coaching staff. And I suspect that he was not getting the best training and coaching to become a better defensive and offensive player, but that goes for all the players.
Caleb, I am sure, is a very decent human, and I am confident that Love Will Find a Way, but:
He didn't put himself in games.
He didn't leave himself in games when he was playing poorly and inconsistently.
He didn't give himself a never-ending and limitless greenlight to shoot whenever and from wherever.
He was not involved in the inability of the coach to recruit over him, or at least recruit a serious competitor for PT.
With these issues, the buck stops with HD, and if cornered, he would agree. Unfortunately he appears to be more than willing to allow fans to blame certain players like Love for this dumpster fire of a season.
I'm sure Grover would agree, Love could have worked harder to become a better and more consistent defensive and offensive player. But he didn't, and he should have spent more time on the bench to sort out his game and improve his weaknesses. Again, that points back to HD and the coaching staff. And I suspect that he was not getting the best training and coaching to become a better defensive and offensive player, but that goes for all the players.
I think the criticism stems from him being one of if not the most talented players on the court with the most potential.. we fans then place high expectations on him & when we see him throw a lazy pass or have mental lapse on D we unfairly expect more from the best player.. I do agree he was given too much of a leash but I think that was HD trying to instill confidence in him.. shooters/scorers need that.. I too don’t mind if he returns especially if Wilcher is as good advertised cause if there is a true option off the bench there’s more motivation not to have silly lapses
I did a brief look at Caleb's career game log. How many times has Caleb Love shot above 40% from the field or better for at least 3 straight games.
Freshman: None
- He had a 3 game span where he shot 40/58/40
www.sports-reference.com
Sophomore: Twice
- 4-game span
www.sports-reference.com
- 4-game span
www.sports-reference.com
Junior: Once
- 3-game span (the first three games of the season)
www.sports-reference.com
- He had a 3 game span where he shot 60/40/46
www.sports-reference.com
Pretty glaring inefficiency.
I'm not gonna make excuses for him. He's been pretty bad for three straight seasons aside from some March magic.
Freshman: None
- He had a 3 game span where he shot 40/58/40
Caleb Love 2020-21 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2020-21 Game Log for Caleb Love
www.sports-reference.com
Sophomore: Twice
- 4-game span
Caleb Love 2021-22 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2021-22 Game Log for Caleb Love
www.sports-reference.com
Caleb Love 2021-22 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2021-22 Game Log for Caleb Love
www.sports-reference.com
Junior: Once
- 3-game span (the first three games of the season)
Caleb Love 2022-23 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2022-23 Game Log for Caleb Love
www.sports-reference.com
Caleb Love 2022-23 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2022-23 Game Log for Caleb Love
www.sports-reference.com
Pretty glaring inefficiency.
I'm not gonna make excuses for him. He's been pretty bad for three straight seasons aside from some March magic.
Cool stats, now lets address the real problem that forced Caleb to deliver under constant double teaming, think we can do that now that we have got those stat thingys out of the way? LOLI did a brief look at Caleb's career game log. How many times has Caleb Love shot above 40% from the field or better for at least 3 straight games.
Freshman: None
- He had a 3 game span where he shot 40/58/40
Caleb Love 2020-21 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2020-21 Game Log for Caleb Love
Sophomore: Twice
- 4-game span
- 4-game spanCaleb Love 2021-22 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2021-22 Game Log for Caleb Love
Caleb Love 2021-22 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2021-22 Game Log for Caleb Love
Junior: Once
- 3-game span (the first three games of the season)
- He had a 3 game span where he shot 60/40/46Caleb Love 2022-23 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2022-23 Game Log for Caleb Love
Caleb Love 2022-23 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
2022-23 Game Log for Caleb Love
Pretty glaring inefficiency.
I'm not gonna make excuses for him. He's been pretty bad for three straight seasons aside from some March magic.
You saying you can't talk ball with out having a stat or 2 to skew? Didn't you watch the games rather than pour over the stats when the games were played? Do you have such little concern over the WHY the numbers are what they are? There are concrete reasons why we saw what we saw, those are what we should be looking at. You are looking at the end result, we all know what that was, I want to explore why those numbers ended up as they are.
I don't even watch the games. I only look at the box score and BartTorvik and KemPom. Why would anyone watch games?
In all seriousness, I go into every game, season, and tournament with my own opinions on what my eyes tell me. But a lot of my thoughts are based on pre-conceived biases. I think everyone's views are based on some preferences and come from a biased point of view. So I like trying to back up my views in sports with analytics and metrics. Also, those metrics are as objective as any analysis can be. KenPom/BartTorvik doesn't have an anti-UNC, Duke, etc agenda. They're not a fan. They're just numbers.
Sure, I try to back up my own opinions with stats so I know they'll be skewed toward my opinion. But, analytics have also proven my opinions wrong too.
I don't entirely buy Caleb's lack of efficiency is caused by a large number of late clock shots. I don't have the numbers to back it up, but it seemed like RJ had a lot of late-clock shots too and RJ shot a substantially better percentage overall than Caleb has all 3 seasons.
No way that Dude could " Just lurk" without posting.
Grover be lovin him some Grover.😂
What do I think? I think he may be coming back, and I see Bacot coming back as a sign of that. Things have to change and the portal gives us that chance quickly, but honestly we would just be looking for another Caleb Love. By that I mean a scoring guard who is looking for another chance.
I'm not saying Puff is the scorer Caleb is, but if Puff is gone, I want Caleb. Yes I understand two different positions, but we have to at least need a threat on the court. Caleb has to live with consequences next year if he returns, and I don't know if that is fair to ask after telling him to shoot for two straight years.
I'm not saying Puff is the scorer Caleb is, but if Puff is gone, I want Caleb. Yes I understand two different positions, but we have to at least need a threat on the court. Caleb has to live with consequences next year if he returns, and I don't know if that is fair to ask after telling him to shoot for two straight years.
If you're in Love's camp, there's a strong case for staying if he can keep the green light. Don't see much chance of him sticking around if he's expected to dial back the volume though.
wish him well, he provided one of the greatest moments in Tarheel bball history.
Hope it all works out for him in the future.
Looking fwd to a new chapter..
Caleb love is a conundrum. On one side, you have an incredibly gifted, athletic, player who we saw rise up at the end of 2021 and helped us beat dook twice (ending K's reign of assholery) and get us up 15 at half of the NC game .
The other Caleb shot us out of countless games and got abused play after play on defense while our national championship faded away. He loafed on D, literally threw up his hands during games, took horrible shots early in the shot clock, turned the ball over with poor handles and lazy passes and APPEARED to be auditioning for the NBA rather than playing winning Carolina basketball.
My guess is, the version of Caleb you remember most will determined whether you want him back next year or not.
Personally, it was just too frustrating and I saw way more of the bad Caleb than the good during the entirety of his career.
I wish him well as he will always be a Tar Heel but it will be much more fun rooting for UNC without him here.
The other Caleb shot us out of countless games and got abused play after play on defense while our national championship faded away. He loafed on D, literally threw up his hands during games, took horrible shots early in the shot clock, turned the ball over with poor handles and lazy passes and APPEARED to be auditioning for the NBA rather than playing winning Carolina basketball.
My guess is, the version of Caleb you remember most will determined whether you want him back next year or not.
Personally, it was just too frustrating and I saw way more of the bad Caleb than the good during the entirety of his career.
I wish him well as he will always be a Tar Heel but it will be much more fun rooting for UNC without him here.
I agree, except I don't think it's unfair to "expect more from the best player."
If course we could debate whether he actually was the best player, but I think most of us would agree he seemed to have the most upside. So not too unreasonable to expect more, I think.
I think coming back is the best basketball option for him. I'm leaning that he doesn't come back though.
I don't think it's the best basketball option, but it's the best financial option.
"I don't entirely buy Caleb's lack of efficiency is caused by a large number of late clock shots"... Tell ya what you can buy because it is fact, Caleb had to deal with a lot of ball denial and when he got it here come the double teams. And why were teams able to do that, because we had 2 weak shooters on the floor in a spread offense, not rocket science. Season before they hesitated to double off Brady on to Caleb, this season there was no hesitation. That isn't my opinion, that is just what happened over and over and over.
As you shared, you looked at this with a existing degree of bias and that is the thing with numbers, they can be slanted to fit the pre-existing bias. Numbers are not objective it is how the numbers are shared that is objective. If I made the case that a kid shot 50% from three point range last season and based on that called it proof that the kid is a great shooter it would look good on the surface, until I shared or you discovered that he only took 2 treys and the one he made was a banker special.
Your quoted words I began this reply with, I actually agree with that, it was a factor he being only 1 of 2 guys we had on the court that could create a shot that could maybe save the shot clock. But Caleb being as heavy defended as he was is the more valid reason.
Yes, I agree that sample size is important.
You trying to connect that a 1-for-2 shooter is proof that statistics are biased is evident that you don't understand sample size.
Love the Heels, but those are all excellent points whereas your barb you sent at me is baseless and pathetic attempt of live in your fantasy that we are doing okay. we are NOT. personnel changes need to be made. Coaching needs to change. (didnt say HD needs to leave). But I am far from petulant. Try a lovely comment with some actual discussion instead of name calling.
Sorry I hurt your feelings- 100% wasn't name calling. It was a thinly veiled joke one which fits as we are pretty undeniably spoiled and I'd argue oftentimes petulant (defined: childishly sulky or bad-tempered- pretty well describes many here when we don't hoist banners or dominate every single season).
You might need to do yourself a favor and consider a thicker skin- this isn't a Kum ba yah circle.
You might need to do yourself a favor and consider a thicker skin- this isn't a Kum ba yah circle.
I think a large part of Love's problem was lack of outside threat from our forwards. Makes it a heck of a lot easier to play him tight knowing your help can lay off their player due to poor shooting. I also think the heavy minutes got to them due to either lack of or not playing the bench depending on how you look at it
Caleb didn't help himself with his shot selections at times or some of the head scratching turnovers.
Some of it was within his control and some wasn't. I hope he comes back. He seemed to have an improved idea of what was a good shot. If he can clean up some of the unforced turnovers, I think you are looking at an all ACC guard.
But please, let's find a way to get these guys a few minutes rest by using the bench a little more next year.
Caleb didn't help himself with his shot selections at times or some of the head scratching turnovers.
Some of it was within his control and some wasn't. I hope he comes back. He seemed to have an improved idea of what was a good shot. If he can clean up some of the unforced turnovers, I think you are looking at an all ACC guard.
But please, let's find a way to get these guys a few minutes rest by using the bench a little more next year.
I understand sample size really well but thank you for playing! At what point do you decide to discuss what drove those numbers that you so love to quote? Because so far you don't seem to care WHY the numbers are what they are? So far it seems you want to go to math class and I want to go to a basketball game, which do YOU think tells more the story of the basketball game? Stats have their place for sure but they are not the whole solution to the puzzle and they can cause harm if not used properly.
Numbers do not lie but funny how most liars use numbers?
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