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The Russell Celtics were a superteam. The Magic/KAJ Lakers were a superteam. The Bird Celtics were a superteam. The Shaq/Kobe(/Malone/Payton) Lakers were a superteam.

You can't win championships without great teammates.

Can you imagine back in the day after having lost to the Pistons in the playoffs, Jordan elected to go team up with Hakeem in Houston and then place a call to John Stockton and asked him to come join the Rockets? That would never have happened. Never. He had far too much pride for that.
 
Apparently, he is visit Duke for VT game Feb. 14th-15th. Even sooner than I anticipated.
 
Dook bound... they’ll sell him on being a OAD, being part of the greatest recruiting class in history, being a part of the fab 5,replacing Bagley and helping K win one last championship. Needless to say, their pitch will be much different than ours. They will sell the OAD route and promise playing time... Roy will not and I’m okay with that.
You are probably right about the pitch. But will he really get the PT an OAD needs at Duke?

Will Bolden or DeLaurier leave? Neither appear on the NBADraft.net mock draft. FWIW. And they won't if they don't get more than the 11-12 minutes they are getting now. Does EJ start ahead of them? Does he start ahead of the #1, 2 and 3 ranked incoming players (Barrett, Reddish and Zion)?

If he doesn't want to be OAD, he should come to a school with a reputation for developing bigs, rather than just passing them through.
 
Can you imagine back in the day after having lost to the Pistons in the playoffs, Jordan elected to go team up with Hakeem in Houston and then place a call to John Stockton and asked him to come join the Rockets? That would never have happened. Never. He had far too much pride for that.

I can imagine that Wilt forced the '76ers to trade him to the Lakers.
I can imagine that KAJ forced the Bucks to trade him to the Lakers.
I can imagine that Drexler requested and received a trade to a contender.
 
I completely agree. There’s no mental toughness. Players that want to form super teams are emotionally weak and that includes LeBron, who started all of this mess. Rather than challenge themselves by going up against other great players, they just want to join forces with as many great players as they can to avoid possibly losing. That’s a weak minded approach.

Yup. Reports are, LeBumb will talk to the Warriors this off season about joining them. Can't beat them, join them.
 
I guess Roy "officially offered" but if you read the interview from Evan Daniels last week, EJ's dad was quoted as saying that he had cut his list to 11 schools (including UNC) and that he had an offer from all 11. So whether it was official or not, IDK? But apparently EJ and his dad were under the impression they already had an offer from UNC last week. Not sure the official offer this week changes much.

I never come on here trying to act arrogant or antagonize, just sharing what I've heard from the Duke side. It was clearly wrong during the Zion recruitment as my sources were adamant it was Clemson. You are free to take it or leave it. This is the info from the Duke side....

- He only has one visit set up at this time (Duke)
- his family reached out to Duke to recruit him
- several current Duke players from Georgia have a good relationship with him
- he likes the idea of joining our current commits and completing Duke's version of the "fab 5"
- wouldn't be shocked if he committed on the visit and didn't take anymore


Again, this could all be waaaaaay off, who knows? Things could certainly swing, but as of today, I would be shocked if he doesn't land at Duke.

Family needed some money?
 
I can imagine that Wilt forced the '76ers to trade him to the Lakers.
I can imagine that KAJ forced the Bucks to trade him to the Lakers.
I can imagine that Drexler requested and received a trade to a contender.

Ok. Then they’re mentally weak. Thanks for the examples.
 
Apparently, he is visit Duke for VT game Feb. 14th-15th. Even sooner than I anticipated.

Thanks for the update. Not sure why you think we’d care about his visit to duke. Look, you’re ok for a duke poaster. But my advice to you is to scram and come back once everybody here is happy with our recruiting. If you’re unsure about that, check in with me first and I’ll let you know.
 
I can imagine that Wilt forced the '76ers to trade him to the Lakers.
I can imagine that KAJ forced the Bucks to trade him to the Lakers.
I can imagine that Drexler requested and received a trade to a contender.

I don't feeling like researching the other right now, but per Dr.Jack Ramsey book, Wilt demanded a trade to "a west coast team", not specifically the Lakers. He did however threat to go to the Los Angeles ABA team, if not traded.
 
Thanks for the update. Not sure why you think we’d care about his visit to duke. Look, you’re ok for a duke poaster. But my advice to you is to scram and come back once everybody here is happy with our recruiting. If you’re unsure about that, check in with me first and I’ll let you know.

Careful. I got DESTROYED for saying something similar a few months back.
 
I don't feeling like researching the other right now, but per Dr.Jack Ramsey book, Wilt demanded a trade to "a west coast team", not specifically the Lakers. He did however threat to go to the Los Angeles ABA team, if not traded.

Also, I want to see a link on Kareem and I want to see what their roster was before and after he joined.

And Clyde was clearly past his prime when he joined Hakeem. He did it in an attempt to get a ring after falling short on a stacked Portland team. That’s the definition of mentally weak.
 
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Also, I want to see a link on Kareem and I want to see what their roster was before and after he joined.

And Clyde was clearly past his prime when he joined Hakeem. He did it in an attempt to get a ring after falling short on a stacked Portland team. That’s the definition of mentally weak.

Yeah. Not sure how this can be compared to LeBron leaving in his prime to form a super team, as a free agent.
 
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A newer version would be the Rockets led by Hakeem Pippen Barkley and Drexler. The the problem was all for Superstars we're well past their Prime by the time they all hooked up
 
Thanks for the update. Not sure why you think we’d care about his visit to duke. Look, you’re ok for a duke poaster. But my advice to you is to scram and come back once everybody here is happy with our recruiting. If you’re unsure about that, check in with me first and I’ll let you know.


Point taken. I have stated on here numerous times that I don't post recruiting info here to rile you guys up or anything.......in fact, I have posted in the past about guys that I knew UNC was getting or heard they were sitting well with. I am an admitted recruiting junkie and just enjoy conversations about it. So I pass along what I hear to you guys, if it pertains to UNC. I'll scram now. :)
 
Point taken. I have stated on here numerous times that I don't post recruiting info here to rile you guys up or anything.......in fact, I have posted in the past about guys that I knew UNC was getting or heard they were sitting well with. I am an admitted recruiting junkie and just enjoy conversations about it. So I pass along what I hear to you guys, if it pertains to UNC. I'll scram now. :)
No need for you to scram, but if you do take @gunslingerdick with you.
 
No need for you to scram, but if you do take @gunslingerdick with you.

Don’t listen to him @Coach325. No one on Raider likes him or really any of the OOTB crowd. But if you’d like to poast on OOTB where you apparently would be more welcome, we do have a basketball thread over there. But just a warning, I’m as much of a dick there as I am here.
 
No one on Raider likes him or really any of the OOTB crowd.
True, but no one likes you here either. No one really likes you on OOTB as well.

But if you’d like to poast on OOTB where you apparently would be more welcome, we do have a basketball thread over there.
Of course he would be welcome. Everyone is welcome, even radar posters like you.

But just a warning, I’m as much of a dick there as I am here.
This is accurate.
 
You are probably right about the pitch. But will he really get the PT an OAD needs at Duke?

Will Bolden or DeLaurier leave? Neither appear on the NBADraft.net mock draft. FWIW. And they won't if they don't get more than the 11-12 minutes they are getting now. Does EJ start ahead of them? Does he start ahead of the #1, 2 and 3 ranked incoming players (Barrett, Reddish and Zion)?

If he doesn't want to be OAD, he should come to a school with a reputation for developing bigs, rather than just passing them through.
You're being way too rational. I really don't think the kids ask themselves these questions. Dook takes these five star players and promises them something (or pays them something ... or both) and then sits them on the bench just so they don't have to play against them. The kids don't realize this even though it's easy to see. Just check the minutes in the box scores.
 
Since this post was about EJ, Roy was down to see him play again last night in May-retta, Ga.
 
I guess Roy "officially offered" but if you read the interview from Evan Daniels last week, EJ's dad was quoted as saying that he had cut his list to 11 schools (including UNC) and that he had an offer from all 11. So whether it was official or not, IDK? But apparently EJ and his dad were under the impression they already had an offer from UNC last week. Not sure the official offer this week changes much.

I never come on here trying to act arrogant or antagonize, just sharing what I've heard from the Duke side. It was clearly wrong during the Zion recruitment as my sources were adamant it was Clemson. You are free to take it or leave it. This is the info from the Duke side....

- He only has one visit set up at this time (Duke)
- his family reached out to Duke to recruit him
- several current Duke players from Georgia have a good relationship with him
- he likes the idea of joining our current commits and completing Duke's version of the "fab 5"
- wouldn't be shocked if he committed on the visit and didn't take anymore


Again, this could all be waaaaaay off, who knows? Things could certainly swing, but as of today, I would be shocked if he doesn't land at Duke.
The offer is real. His dad listed UNC ahead of it for the exact reason that they wanted a UNC offer and from their interaction with Hubert were pretty confident it was coming.

What that means for the ultimate decision I don't know.
 
Can you imagine back in the day after having lost to the Pistons in the playoffs, Jordan elected to go team up with Hakeem in Houston and then place a call to John Stockton and asked him to come join the Rockets? That would never have happened. Never. He had far too much pride for that.
pln just doesn’t get it, you’re wasting your time.
 
Is there any comparable in football to the Duke/UK dominance in basketball recruiting? I know Bama and OSU get amazing classes, but some of the top guys pick Michigan/LSU/Clemson over offers from those two right? It's not like they pull everyone they target? This basketball recruiting run over the last few years is just ridiculous.

I'm curious why the dynamics would be different in the two sports. It's not like there aren't bagmen in football recruiting. I would think basketball should have less clustered talent because these guys all have to compete with each other for playing time. In football different positions by and large don't compete, so Bama can sign the #1 rated WR, OT, OG, and QB with no conflict of interest. But signing 3-4 wings in one class (Diallo, Knox, Vanderbilt, Washington) in basketball makes no sense at all.
 
Since this post was about EJ, Roy was down to see him play again last night in May-retta, Ga.

Just imagine if Roy showed this level of interest to guys that weren't so enamored with the Sisterhood. :eek:
 
Is there any comparable in football to the Duke/UK dominance in basketball recruiting? I know Bama and OSU get amazing classes, but some of the top guys pick Michigan/LSU/Clemson over offers from those two right? It's not like they pull everyone they target? This basketball recruiting run over the last few years is just ridiculous.

I'm curious why the dynamics would be different in the two sports. It's not like there aren't bagmen in football recruiting. I would think basketball should have less clustered talent because these guys all have to compete with each other for playing time. In football different positions by and large don't compete, so Bama can sign the #1 rated WR, OT, OG, and QB with no conflict of interest. But signing 3-4 wings in one class (Diallo, Knox, Vanderbilt, Washington) in basketball makes no sense at all.


@TarHeelNation11 would probably love to take a stab at this. He's a #footballonly and follows recruiting closely.
 
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Is there any comparable in football to the Duke/UK dominance in basketball recruiting? I know Bama and OSU get amazing classes, but some of the top guys pick Michigan/LSU/Clemson over offers from those two right? It's not like they pull everyone they target? This basketball recruiting run over the last few years is just ridiculous.

I'm curious why the dynamics would be different in the two sports. It's not like there aren't bagmen in football recruiting. I would think basketball should have less clustered talent because these guys all have to compete with each other for playing time. In football different positions by and large don't compete, so Bama can sign the #1 rated WR, OT, OG, and QB with no conflict of interest. But signing 3-4 wings in one class (Diallo, Knox, Vanderbilt, Washington) in basketball makes no sense at all.

Football players stay 3+ years. That's the biggest difference.

You wouldn't see these Duke/UK classes if basketball players stayed 3+ years. They'd still dominate recruiting, but they wouldn't clear out the top-10 to the same extent.

Make no mistake, Bama has completely dominated recruiting since Saban got there. This will be the first season since 2010 with anyone other than Bama at #1.
 
Is there any comparable in football to the Duke/UK dominance in basketball recruiting? I know Bama and OSU get amazing classes, but some of the top guys pick Michigan/LSU/Clemson over offers from those two right? It's not like they pull everyone they target? This basketball recruiting run over the last few years is just ridiculous.

I'm curious why the dynamics would be different in the two sports. It's not like there aren't bagmen in football recruiting. I would think basketball should have less clustered talent because these guys all have to compete with each other for playing time. In football different positions by and large don't compete, so Bama can sign the #1 rated WR, OT, OG, and QB with no conflict of interest. But signing 3-4 wings in one class (Diallo, Knox, Vanderbilt, Washington) in basketball makes no sense at all.
If you're asking do two football programs dominate the recruiting like Duke/Kentucky do in basketball, the answer is no. But at the same time, you can typically pick who will have the Top 5 or Top 10 classes in a given year. But yes, while each sport has its blue bloods, the cast of characters does change more in football if you're looking at the Top 10 team classes for a recruiting cycle. And, in general, with the exception of UGA's 2018 class (this current cycle) and the past 2-3 Ohio State classes, typically the best talent (5*s and 4*s) are shared among 20-30 programs. Yes, Bama and Ohio State a few others get the bulk of the talent, but it's not at all unusual for a random school like Maryland or Kansas or Colorado to land a 5* recruit in any given class.

The dynamics are different in the two sports because of the following (IMO):

  • Lack of "top end" talent in basketball, relative to football. Each basketball recruiting cycle, there's basically, what, 10-15 truly elite players? And even that number might be high. Duke/Kentucky/Kansas gets the bulk of those. This is just not the case in football. If you're ranked in the Rivals Top 250, you're a ballplayer and have every opportunity to turn into a stud (All-American, NFL 1st-2nd round pick). Obviously, football has more positions than basketball, so there's more opportunity for guys to find their niche position
  • Because of the first bullet point, football recruiting is much, much more regional than basketball recruiting. In general, proximity to home isn't a big factor for the elite basketball recruits (unless they already live near Duke or UNC or Kansas or wherever). In football, it's a much bigger factor and can be utilized by less than stellar programs. It's one of the reasons why UNC is able to get its fair share of 4* guys in football... because they're already from North Carolina or Virginia or Georgia and want to play for a program that's within driving distance. That's not the case for every football player obviously, and some of the elite programs like Alabama and Ohio State recruit nationally for some guys, but still, a big emphasis is put on recruiting in your state or in your region. And this helps a bigger array of programs haul in good talent.... rather than just Duke/Kentucky getting it all in basketball
  • Basketball is based off individuality and building your personal brand. Football is much less about that. Look at how the NBA markets itself vs. how the NFL markets itself. NBA is all about individual star power... the "big names." Star power is important in the NFL but much less so. In football, it's about the "team" and the "stadium atmosphere" and stuff. This trickles down to college and is exacerbated by the OAD rule. Guys who only plan on playing for 1 or 2 years want to go somewhere they can maximize their brand. Thus, they wanna go to Duke or Kentucky or another blue blood because those schools are on TV the most.
That's my take.
 
Make no mistake, Bama has completely dominated recruiting since Saban got there. This will be the first season since 2010 with anyone other than Bama at #1.
Incorrect. USC was #1 in 2015. And Alabama was only #1 in 2017 because they took 29 recruits. The default system Rivals uses to rank classes is based on points accumulation, which is skewed by quantity more than quality. If you re-evaluate on a "average stars per recruit" basis, which IMO is a much more accurate way to judge a class, Ohio State and Alabama were dead even at 4.1 stars per recruit.

But yes, overall you are right that Alabama is definitely #1 in general in recruiting, with Ohio State #2. The point I was driving at in my long poast above is that, even after Bama and tOSU get all their guys, there's still tons and tons of talent (elite talent, mind you. Potential NFL player talent) remaining for other programs to haul in. In basketball... it's not like that really. Or at least doesn't seem like that.
 
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If you're asking do two football programs dominate the recruiting like Duke/Kentucky do in basketball, the answer is no. But at the same time, you can typically pick who will have the Top 5 or Top 10 classes in a given year. But yes, while each sport has its blue bloods, the cast of characters does change more in football if you're looking at the Top 10 team classes for a recruiting cycle. And, in general, with the exception of UGA's 2018 class (this current cycle) and the past 2-3 Ohio State classes, typically the best talent (5*s and 4*s) are shared among 20-30 programs. Yes, Bama and Ohio State a few others get the bulk of the talent, but it's not at all unusual for a random school like Maryland or Kansas or Colorado to land a 5* recruit in any given class.

The dynamics are different in the two sports because of the following (IMO):

  • Lack of "top end" talent in basketball, relative to football. Each basketball recruiting cycle, there's basically, what, 10-15 truly elite players? And even that number might be high. Duke/Kentucky/Kansas gets the bulk of those. This is just not the case in football. If you're ranked in the Rivals Top 250, you're a ballplayer and have every opportunity to turn into a stud (All-American, NFL 1st-2nd round pick). Obviously, football has more positions than basketball, so there's more opportunity for guys to find their niche position
  • Because of the first bullet point, football recruiting is much, much more regional than basketball recruiting. In general, proximity to home isn't a big factor for the elite basketball recruits (unless they already live near Duke or UNC or Kansas or wherever). In football, it's a much bigger factor and can be utilized by less than stellar programs. It's one of the reasons why UNC is able to get its fair share of 4* guys in football... because they're already from North Carolina or Virginia or Georgia and want to play for a program that's within driving distance. That's not the case for every football player obviously, and some of the elite programs like Alabama and Ohio State recruit nationally for some guys, but still, a big emphasis is put on recruiting in your state or in your region. And this helps a bigger array of programs haul in good talent.... rather than just Duke/Kentucky getting it all in basketball
  • Basketball is based off individuality and building your personal brand. Football is much less about that. Look at how the NBA markets itself vs. how the NFL markets itself. NBA is all about individual star power... the "big names." Star power is important in the NFL but much less so. In football, it's about the "team" and the "stadium atmosphere" and stuff. This trickles down to college and is exacerbated by the OAD rule. Guys who only plan on playing for 1 or 2 years want to go somewhere they can maximize their brand. Thus, they wanna go to Duke or Kentucky or another blue blood because those schools are on TV the most.
That's my take.

Great post. I agree with everything you said.
 
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Incorrect. USC was #1 in 2015. And Alabama was only #1 in 2017 because they took 29 recruits. The default system Rivals uses to rank classes is based on points accumulation, which is skewed by quantity more than quality. If you re-evaluate on a "average stars per recruit" basis, which IMO is a much more accurate way to judge a class, Ohio State and Alabama were dead even at 4.1 stars per recruit.

I used the composite rankings - hence the discrepancy.
 
Just imagine if Roy showed this level of interest to guys that weren't so enamored with the Sisterhood. :eek:

I'm sure he briefed him on the Kenny Dennard seat, WAY down at the end of the bench. Where 5 stars reside in the sisterhood. :rolleyes::eek:
 
Wilt was traded because: "the main reason, according to Chamberlain himself, was that the previous Sixer owner, Ike Richmond, had verbally promised Wilt a share in ownership. Unfortunately, Ike had a sudden heart-attack during a Sixer-Celtic game in 1965, and passed away. The new Sixer ownership told Wilt that they would not honor that verbal agreement."

I don't think anyone in their right mind would call Wilt weak in anything! The Sixers were also going to offer him the Player Coach job so they must have thought he was pretty savvy and tough enough to handle both. (what this has to do with EJ, I don't know)

Once ratty runs Jeter, Bolden, and Delorean off he has plenty of room beside Jack White for EJ!
 
Wilt was traded because: "the main reason, according to Chamberlain himself, was that the previous Sixer owner, Ike Richmond, had verbally promised Wilt a share in ownership. Unfortunately, Ike had a sudden heart-attack during a Sixer-Celtic game in 1965, and passed away. The new Sixer ownership told Wilt that they would not honor that verbal agreement."

I don't think anyone in their right mind would call Wilt weak in anything! The Sixers were also going to offer him the Player Coach job so they must have thought he was pretty savvy and tough enough to handle both. (what this has to do with EJ, I don't know)

Once ratty runs Jeter, Bolden, and Delorean off he has plenty of room beside Jack White for EJ!

Jeter's already gone and Deloreans happy riding the bench for the Dook education.
 
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