EJ Montgomery Offered

[What Would Jesus Do?]

EJ is a 4 not a 5

That's how it looks to me. A 4 with stretch-4 ambitions.

And that's the problem. He doesn't really fit our needs. He would be a great addition, but he probably looks at us and thinks he'll be asked to play the post a lot.

At Duke he sees Bolden, DeLaurier and Vrank - any of whom would kill to play starter minutes in the post. Even though DeLaurier is more a PF.

Of course if the post is filled at Duke and Zion is playing PF, he could be the next DeLaurier.

Does he think of himself as OAD?

If not, he should definitely consider us. He'll get all the minutes he can handle as a freshman, and will take over from Luke as a soph, with solid backup from Brooks.

That 2019-20 lineup could be killer, depending on who leaves.

Seventh - Jeremiah - Baby Jet
Coby - Andrew - BRob
Little - BRob - Leaky
EJ - Brooks - Walker
Sterling - Huff - Walker

...plus whoever else we get in the 2019 class.

 

[dadika13]

Guys, we aren't getting EJ.

 

[MRUNC]

Don't worry he is dooks to lose

Where would he get minutes at Dook? K will only play 5 or 6 so he would be odd man out.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

Everyone just kick back and enjoy the ride, Nobody has gotten anything right in the world of predictions, example 50 threads on NCAA suspensions, and 99 percent wrong on it, and 25 pages on Zion and 100 percent wrong on where he went...I am only sure of one thing 100 percent on this board, and that is nobody knows anything...

 

[Steat]

If Montgomery goes to Duke he will start and Bolden will come off the bench. Bolden should have transferred last year. No way Montgomery is going to Duke to come off the bench.

 

[MRUNC]

If Montgomery goes to Duke he will start and Bolden will come off the bench. Bolden should have transferred last year. No way Montgomery is going to Duke to come off the bench.

Bolden a Junior sits and watches a freshman play. If Mintgomery comes then Bolden leaves, finally

 

[Steat]

Bolden a Junior sits and watches a freshman play. If Montgomery comes then Bolden leaves, finally

If Bolden would have known that Bagley was coming he would have transferred last year. Knowing K, he may make a deal with Montgomery to wait until the summer to commit. Then Bolden will be trapped at Duke. Would not put anything past K.
We agree on one thing, Montgomery will start if he goes to Duke.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Guys, we aren't getting EJ.

Always a good bet, but why do you think that?

 

[dadika13]

Always a good bet, but why do you think that?

We haven't landed a guy that has been a "duke lean" for like 5 years.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

If Bolden would have known that Bagley was coming he would have transferred last year. Knowing K, he may make a deal with Montgomery to wait until the summer to commit. Then Bolden will be trapped at Duke. Would not put anything past K.
We agree on one thing, Montgomery will start if he goes to Duke.

I agree with your thinking on Bolden. Should have jumped. And is in line to get screwed again.

But I'm not sure EJ will start next year if he goes to Duke. At some point, even K values experience. But which experienced player will get the nod - Bolden or DeLaurier? Bolden is more of a true center, but DeLaurier has better moves and better stats.

 

[gauchoheel]

That's how it looks to me. A 4 with stretch-4 ambitions.

And that's the problem. He doesn't really fit our needs. He would be a great addition, but he probably looks at us and thinks he'll be asked to play the post a lot.

At Duke he sees Bolden, DeLaurier and Vrank - any of whom would kill to play starter minutes in the post. Even though DeLaurier is more a PF.

Of course if the post is filled at Duke and Zion is playing PF, he could be the next DeLaurier.

Does he think of himself as OAD?

If not, he should definitely consider us. He'll get all the minutes he can handle as a freshman, and will take over from Luke as a soph, with solid backup from Brooks.

That 2019-20 lineup could be killer, depending on who leaves.

Seventh - Jeremiah - Baby Jet
Coby - Andrew - BRob
Little - BRob - Leaky
EJ - Brooks - Walker
Sterling - Huff - Walker

...plus whoever else we get in the 2019 class.

Little will be gone after his freshman year. Possibly EJ and Coby too.

 

[heels05champs]

We haven't landed a guy that has been a "duke lean" for like 5 years.

More so than that, when was the last 5* recruit that Roy landed in the spring signing period? Frankly, I don’t think he has ever gotten one.

 

[DeuceManJones]

If Bolden would have known that Bagley was coming he would have transferred last year. Knowing K, he may make a deal with Montgomery to wait until the summer to commit. Then Bolden will be trapped at Duke. Would not put anything past K.
We agree on one thing, Montgomery will start if he goes to Duke.

Sad, but true. What he has done to Bolden is astounding.

-Convinced him to go to dook last minute
-Barely plays him
-Signs a top-tier center from 2017
-Convinces him to change his mind on transferring
-All the while pulling strings to reclassify the best prospect at his position from 2019 to 2018
-Is currently only giving him around 10 minutes per game
-Actively looking to add the best remaining big man prospect, which would surely push him out of the starting lineup next season, too

This term gets thrown around excessively on the internet these days, but it fits too well here: Bolden is repeatedly getting cuckolded by his coach.

 

[Coach325]

I will preface this by saying that I agree Bolden should get more burn......BUT, you guys are clamoring for Montgomery to come to UNC and push your big guys (Huffman, Brooks, Manley, etc.) further down the bench as well.

Top schools are going to recruit the best players and the best players will play. I like Bolden, but Bagley/Carter SHOULD be getting most of the minutes. I honestly think K should use Bolden more to spell them and let them catch their breath and not trying to be a Duke homer here. Bolden hasn't been used as much as he should and would certainly be getting more minutes at UNC, but he also hasn't lived up to his hype and hasn't earned a whole more than he's been given. He's really slow, plays soft, and doesn't finish around the rim very well. Sounds a lot like Huffman.........should I be giving Roy grief about going after Montgomery so that Huffman will rot on the bench?

 

[DeuceManJones]

I will preface this by saying that I agree Bolden should get more burn......BUT, you guys are clamoring for Montgomery to come to UNC and push your big guys (Huffman, Brooks, Manley, etc.) further down the bench as well.

Top schools are going to recruit the best players and the best players will play. I like Bolden, but Bagley/Carter SHOULD be getting most of the minutes. I honestly think K should use Bolden more to spell them and let them catch their breath and not trying to be a Duke homer here. Bolden hasn't been used as much as he should and would certainly be getting more minutes at UNC, but he also hasn't lived up to his hype and hasn't earned a whole more than he's been given. He's really slow, plays soft, and doesn't finish around the rim very well. Sounds a lot like Huffman.........should I be giving Roy grief about going after Montgomery so that Huffman will rot on the bench?

Huffman was barely ranked. Bolden was a McD's AA. Big difference.

If you're a big man that requires any sort of coaching patience, dook is not the place for you.

As far as Montgomery goes, I don't really care what he does. If he wants to be a Tar Heel, then he's welcome. If he wants a fast track to the pros, then he should go elsewhere.

 

[ProfessorOwl]

Our big guys aren't McDonalds All Americans who expected to be OADs.

UNC didn't recruit over James Michael McAdoo even after it became apparent he wasn't that great. We gave him the opportunity to showcase his talents. Because loyalty is something you get at UNC.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I think 3-4 star bigs understand their roles when it comes to 5* at their position. Anybody who thinks Huff and Bolden are in similar positions either hasn't watched much bball or is a JCDer!

ratty lies and recruits over folks; Roy tells the truth and allows peeps to compete for PT....sounds similar to me!

 

[dadika13]

I will preface this by saying that I agree Bolden should get more burn......BUT, you guys are clamoring for Montgomery to come to UNC and push your big guys (Huffman, Brooks, Manley, etc.) further down the bench as well.

Top schools are going to recruit the best players and the best players will play. I like Bolden, but Bagley/Carter SHOULD be getting most of the minutes. I honestly think K should use Bolden more to spell them and let them catch their breath and not trying to be a Duke homer here. Bolden hasn't been used as much as he should and would certainly be getting more minutes at UNC, but he also hasn't lived up to his hype and hasn't earned a whole more than he's been given. He's really slow, plays soft, and doesn't finish around the rim very well. Sounds a lot like Huffman.........should I be giving Roy grief about going after Montgomery so that Huffman will rot on the bench?

I HIGHLY doubt Roy promised Huff the same things K promised Bolden.

 

[Coach325]

I will give you all Bolden's ranking vs. Huffman. But now that the players are there, they are simply players. Huffman is a post player for UNC......Bolden is a post player for Duke. Just because a guy is a 5 star coming out of high school doesn't mean he ALWAYS lives up to that hype.

I don't care what Bolden was ranked out of high school, he simply isn't a big time college player. He can certainly be more productive than what we've seen so far and needs more playing time to show it, but he's still not even close to the level of Bagley/Carter. So for K to sit back and just "hope" he takes a giant leap next year is foolish. Roy has 3 big men on his current roster (2 of which I think will be great college players) but he is still out actively recruiting Montgomery. I was just simply pointing out there isn't much difference, both coaches are trying to improve their rosters.

Again, I understand that on a rival teams board this argument will fall on deaf ears but UNC has the same number of post players as Duke next year. Roy isn't just sitting around saying "we will develop the guys we got" he's still out there trying to add a 5 star recruit. But I also fully acknowledge that Bolden hasn't been given a fair shake at all times, but when he has been put in the game he's been average at best so some of the blame falls on him.

 

[DeuceManJones]

I will give you all Bolden's ranking vs. Huffman. But now that the players are there, they are simply players. Huffman is a post player for UNC......Bolden is a post player for Duke. Just because a guy is a 5 star coming out of high school doesn't mean he ALWAYS lives up to that hype.

I don't care what Bolden was ranked out of high school, he simply isn't a big time college player. He can certainly be more productive than what we've seen so far and needs more playing time to show it, but he's still not even close to the level of Bagley/Carter. So for K to sit back and just "hope" he takes a giant leap next year is foolish. Roy has 3 big men on his current roster (2 of which I think will be great college players) but he is still out actively recruiting Montgomery. I was just simply pointing out there isn't much difference, both coaches are trying to improve their rosters.

Again, I understand that on a rival teams board this argument will fall on deaf ears but UNC has the same number of post players as Duke next year. Roy isn't just sitting around saying "we will develop the guys we got" he's still out there trying to add a 5 star recruit. But I also fully acknowledge that Bolden hasn't been given a fair shake at all times, but when he has been put in the game he's been average at best so some of the blame falls on him.

You're being fair, so I respect your points. And I will definitely take your word on his scouting report.

I think the biggest problem I have with the situation is they shouldn't have convinced him not to transfer.

 

[Steat]

Sad, but true. What he has done to Bolden is astounding.

-Convinced him to go to dook last minute
-Barely plays him
-Signs a top-tier center from 2017
-Convinces him to change his mind on transferring
-All the while pulling strings to reclassify the best prospect at his position from 2019 to 2018
-Is currently only giving him around 10 minutes per game
-Actively looking to add the best remaining big man prospect, which would surely push him out of the starting lineup next season, too

This term gets thrown around excessively on the internet these days, but it fits too well here: Bolden is repeatedly getting cuckolded by his coach.

Deuce, brilliant post!

 

[Steat]

I will give you all Bolden's ranking vs. Huffman. But now that the players are there, they are simply players. Huffman is a post player for UNC......Bolden is a post player for Duke. Just because a guy is a 5 star coming out of high school doesn't mean he ALWAYS lives up to that hype.

I don't care what Bolden was ranked out of high school, he simply isn't a big time college player. He can certainly be more productive than what we've seen so far and needs more playing time to show it, but he's still not even close to the level of Bagley/Carter. So for K to sit back and just "hope" he takes a giant leap next year is foolish. Roy has 3 big men on his current roster (2 of which I think will be great college players) but he is still out actively recruiting Montgomery. I was just simply pointing out there isn't much difference, both coaches are trying to improve their rosters.

Again, I understand that on a rival teams board this argument will fall on deaf ears but UNC has the same number of post players as Duke next year. Roy isn't just sitting around saying "we will develop the guys we got" he's still out there trying to add a 5 star recruit. But I also fully acknowledge that Bolden hasn't been given a fair shake at all times, but when he has been put in the game he's been average at best so some of the blame falls on him.

I'll trade you Huffman for Bolden straight up and kick in $10,000 for your trouble.

 

[DSouthr]

I will preface this by saying that I agree Bolden should get more burn......BUT, you guys are clamoring for Montgomery to come to UNC and push your big guys (Huffman, Brooks, Manley, etc.) further down the bench as well.

Top schools are going to recruit the best players and the best players will play. I like Bolden, but Bagley/Carter SHOULD be getting most of the minutes. I honestly think K should use Bolden more to spell them and let them catch their breath and not trying to be a Duke homer here. Bolden hasn't been used as much as he should and would certainly be getting more minutes at UNC, but he also hasn't lived up to his hype and hasn't earned a whole more than he's been given. He's really slow, plays soft, and doesn't finish around the rim very well. Sounds a lot like Huffman.........should I be giving Roy grief about going after Montgomery so that Huffman will rot on the bench?

While Huff may not be swift, he does not play soft, more ruff around the edges if anything and finishing around the rim is about his entire offensive game right now.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Little will be gone after his freshman year. Possibly EJ and Coby too.

Could be. But how many times have we said that and been wrong? Pretty much every time this millennium. Ironically, the one OAD we did have came as a big surprise to most of us.

True, we haven't signed very many OAD prospects in recent years. But I still think I'd bet against those guys going. Maybe 1 of them. Maybe Little. But I'm not convinced.

Think about it. Justin was co-MVP of the Mickey D game. Stayed 3 years.

 

[gauchoheel]

Could be. But how many times have we said that and been wrong? Pretty much every time this millennium. Ironically, the one OAD we did have came as a big surprise to most of us.

True, we haven't signed very many OAD prospects in recent years. But I still think I'd bet against those guys going. Maybe 1 of them. Maybe Little. But I'm not convinced.

Think about it. Justin was co-MVP of the Mickey D game. Stayed 3 years.

I mean, Little is the highest rated guy we've signed since Barnes. JJ is the only other top 10 player we've signed since then, and he was slow to develop. The OAD has also become even more prevalent since then. There is a possibility he stays longer but I'd bet against it.

The odds are Coby stays two years I think, but he has more NBA translatable talent than other 5-stars like Pinson and Hicks. I don't think it's out of the question he or EJ could leave after one season. Hopefully he starts his sophomore year and destroys the ACC, then goes really high in the draft.

 

[dadika13]

I'll trade you Huffman for Bolden straight up and kick in $10,000 for your trouble.

Capel would be losing $90k off the original $100k he'd paid for him.

 

[dgheel57]

More so than that, when was the last 5* recruit that Roy landed in the spring signing period? Frankly, I don’t think he has ever gotten one.

Roy has proven you don't need 5* recruits to win a title.I have no complaints whatsoever of his recruiting period.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

Roy has proven you don't need 5* recruits to win a title.I have no complaints whatsoever of his recruiting period.

probably not but you do need 5 four star seniors...

 

[mikeirbyusa]

I like Roy's results in the NCAA Big Dance. He must be doing something right.

 

[pln2013]

Roy has proven you don't need 5* recruits to win a title.I have no complaints whatsoever of his recruiting period.

Roy has done no such thing.

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

We won it all with a starting five who ranked on some services as follows Joel berry #30 Justin Jackson #9 Theo pinson #11 Isaiah Hicks #17 and Kennedy Meeks #50 that three 5* starters and a fringe 5* in berry

 

[dadika13]

Roy has proven you don't need 5* recruits to win a title.

Well this is just flat out wrong. Like, very very wrong.

Every single title Roy has won as had at least three 5 star players. According to Rivals:

2005 - Felton, McCants, Marvin
2009 - Hansbrough, Ellington, Lawson, Davis, Zeller
2017 - Justin, Berry, Theo, Hicks

 

[tarh33ls]

Well this is just flat out wrong. Like, very very wrong.

Every single title Roy has won as had at least three 5 star players. According to Rivals:

2005 - Felton, McCants, Marvin
2009 - Hansbrough, Ellington, Lawson, Davis, Zeller
2017 - Justin, Berry, Theo, Hicks

Jawad and May for 2005 as well.

 

[RoseHeel]

And here I thought worrying about recruiting meant the sky is falling.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I mean, Little is the highest rated guy we've signed since Barnes. JJ is the only other top 10 player we've signed since then, and he was slow to develop. The OAD has also become even more prevalent since then. There is a possibility he stays longer but I'd bet against it.

The odds are Coby stays two years I think, but he has more NBA translatable talent than other 5-stars like Pinson and Hicks. I don't think it's out of the question he or EJ could leave after one season. Hopefully he starts his sophomore year and destroys the ACC, then goes really high in the draft.

That's pretty much the way I see it, too. I'm a tad more optimistic that they return than you, but those are the variables.

 

[DeuceManJones]

The key for Roy has been getting talent to stick around long enough to become experienced.

If Little and White stay for 3 years, I feel confident they'll win a championship together. Only one year makes the chances unlikely.

 

[heels05champs]

Roy has proven you don't need 5* recruits to win a title.I have no complaints whatsoever of his recruiting period.

This couldn’t be more wrong. Lol.

Please list the rosters for each of his title teams and let’s see if there were 5* players in the starting lineup.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Guys! He's saying you dont need a roster full of 5* talent, which you don't. A mix of 5 and 4 with some 3s sprinkled in can get the job done.

 

[Sk1310]

Back on topic, EJ Montgomery
Corey Evans says UNC is in good position with Montgomery. Looks like it's going to come down to UNC and Duke. Roy is due to win a head to head recruiting battle vs Duke (if it's fair game of course)

"
The light has turned fully on for
EJ Montgomery
this winter and with it, there has been no shortage of college suitors for the five-star power forward. Originally committed to Auburn, Montgomery recently narrowed his list to a group of 11, but as Hunter asks, yes, the Tar Heels are a more than strong suitor for the five-star senior.


Upon backing off of his pledge to Auburn following the FBI investigation in September, Montgomery and his camp shut down any sort of communication regarding his newfound recruitment. However, there were whispers throughout the fall that he was holding out for the blue bloods on Tobacco Road to come calling, of which they have as he will visit both UNC and Duke over the next 10 days, trips coming in the unofficial variety.

Last week, UNC head coach Roy Williams made the trip down to see Montgomery twice, the latter coming with an offer handed out to the Wheeler High standout. Williams is not going to leave his Chapel Hill abode during the meat of the ACC season if he doesn’t feel like Montgomery is a priority for his program and someone that he didn’t believe he had a legitimate shot at.

A commitment is not expected within the coming weeks, but his two-day stay in the Tar Heel state could create for an even bigger gap between the blue blood programs and the other nine in the mix as North Carolina remains in a much better spot than any others outside Duke."

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-latest-with-ramey-langford-montgomery

Let's see what happens

 

[dadika13]

Guys! He's saying you dont need a roster full of 5* talent, which you don't. A mix of 5 and 4 with some 3s sprinkled in can get the job done.

That's definitely not the case.

There is some weird notion around here from some posters that because we've struggled with the 2015 and 2016 classes and went to back to back title games that you don't need 5*'s.

They seemingly forget about our amazing 2013 and 2014 classes that led us to those games.