While I do put more of it on the staff in Jalen's case he still didn't take full advantage of opportunity. Example, he had open jump shots that he consistently did not take, he came in to this season at about the same weight as the season before knowing he was being looked to be our starting 5, that is on him.
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Theres no way you really think Gary has some kind of inside scoop on an 18 year old. Cadeaus mom cant help herself to stay off twitter and from what it looks like its a Hubert problem
I would've liked to have seen Cadeau without RJ and more of a traditional 2 guard. Not blaming RJ for anything; he was a far better player than Cadeau was. But the two didn't fit. But I don't think this is the end of the world. This team lost 14 games, and Cadeau played a part in the disappointing season.
This will all depend on who is brought in. Maybe this opens the door in bringing in a bigger PG that has more scoring ability. That would give you flexibility around the roster. You can have 1 or 2 bad shooters if the PG can score efficiently. You absolutely could not have that with Cadeau as the PG unless he was going to take a monumental scoring leap next season.
I absolutely do not think Seth is a PG and I don't want to see it.
In terms of Jalen... No offense to the guy, but UNC needed to upgrade there. Whether you thought Jalen was the PF1, C1, or the first big off the bench, those 3 positions all needed a significant upgrade from Jalen Washington.
This will all depend on who is brought in. Maybe this opens the door in bringing in a bigger PG that has more scoring ability. That would give you flexibility around the roster. You can have 1 or 2 bad shooters if the PG can score efficiently. You absolutely could not have that with Cadeau as the PG unless he was going to take a monumental scoring leap next season.
I absolutely do not think Seth is a PG and I don't want to see it.
In terms of Jalen... No offense to the guy, but UNC needed to upgrade there. Whether you thought Jalen was the PF1, C1, or the first big off the bench, those 3 positions all needed a significant upgrade from Jalen Washington.
Ahhhh, incoming freshmen. Our imaginations can run wild with them because we've never seen them play. Not that I disagree with you. But seldom do you get freshmen compared to bad basketball players.
But who knows? Oklahoma's Jeremiah Fears was like a fringe top-50 prospect and turned out to be an NBA level stud freshman PG that carried that team to the NCAAs in the SEC. When's the last time UNC had a 4* guy who truly outplayed his ranking by a lot right away?
It’s a podcast with George Lynch talking about this years team….Its very telling what he says….
There's a recipe," Lynch said this week, via Theo Pinson's Run Your Race podcast. "I think now the way these kids practice and prepare, there's got to be player development. ... You watch Carolina now, they're doing a lot of pick and roll, but they don't look like they know what they're supposed to do in a pick and roll situation. Like the bigs set a screen and won't roll to the rim hard. The guards that come off the pick and roll, they're not downhill.
"I watched Elliott (Cadeau) doing his summer workouts, and none of them were game shots. So now you get in the game, you can't make a shot. So if it was me, you throw out the old way we used to practice. You have some of that in, but you have to do more player development. I went to a couple of practices, and I usually get there, like an hour before, at least 30 minutes before practice, and no one's on the court, the guys aren't putting in the time... so you've got to recruit gym rats."
There's a recipe," Lynch said this week, via Theo Pinson's Run Your Race podcast. "I think now the way these kids practice and prepare, there's got to be player development. ... You watch Carolina now, they're doing a lot of pick and roll, but they don't look like they know what they're supposed to do in a pick and roll situation. Like the bigs set a screen and won't roll to the rim hard. The guards that come off the pick and roll, they're not downhill.
"I watched Elliott (Cadeau) doing his summer workouts, and none of them were game shots. So now you get in the game, you can't make a shot. So if it was me, you throw out the old way we used to practice. You have some of that in, but you have to do more player development. I went to a couple of practices, and I usually get there, like an hour before, at least 30 minutes before practice, and no one's on the court, the guys aren't putting in the time... so you've got to recruit gym rats."
If you can’t see that Gary is plugged in & has some inside info, I can’t help you. You’re just a hater & look for every chance to try to belittle him & his info. The majority of us appreciate what he brings to this board, you’re in the minority.
That's how it looks to me, too, after 4 years.
If we're going to under-perform because of our staff, then we need to make sure we have a great roster - on the theory that an under-performing great roster will still be an enjoyable and successful team.
But what happens if we get a merely good roster?
It's also worth considering that Hubert and his staff have only been doing this together for 4 years. Just like players can improve, so can coaches. Buying these coaches a really good roster might get them over the hump. We'd better hope so.
Needless to say it's a relief to hear a great like Lynch talk about the same thing I've been harping on recently: lack of development. Maybe more people will agree now.
Yea, seems like players really do net get better under this staff.
I think it would be extremely silly for EC not to explore. He came in hoping to be 1 or 2 years and off to the Association. He has struggled as a NBA type prospect, a undersized non shooter. The prospects are gone by year 2. He has plenty of value for his next two years of college though, but his pro prospects are slim, or overseas. Max it out now! That could be here, but not just limited to UNC. No qualms from me for him making his share I'm his earning window.
There are nice veteran point guard available already, could be wrong, but watch for the Eastern Tennesee super senior. We will get a scoring point to go with Seth.
I do think Wilson may go with him to Kentucky though.
There are nice veteran point guard available already, could be wrong, but watch for the Eastern Tennesee super senior. We will get a scoring point to go with Seth.
I do think Wilson may go with him to Kentucky though.
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I watching the Tar Heel illustrated pod cast, and they was pretty much saying they thought our issues during the middle of the season was on Cadeau and his inconsistent play. Maybe that sour grapes because he is leaving but I don't disagree.
No one should want to be coached by Hubert Davis.
Can’t be true I have been told on good authority that it’s NIL and Hubert…That everyone wants to play for Hubert but he is short on NIL money…Say it ain’t so @DaveChapelle…
Plus, it may have been that he didn't have the green light to shoot.
Did they weigh in on the question of whether Hubert's staff is good at developing players?
No not really they just stated that EC was a huge problem with the offensive end of the floor.
I watched the EC and JW videos. At one point AJ said that in our numerous Quad1 losses, we only led for 33 minutes.
Mixed feelings, one hand what has EC really done? On the other hand, without EC who plays PG for us? I don't mind getting Bigs in the portal, but I like my starting PG to be either a freshmen or returning player.
EC has to maximize his college experience, he is not a pro, but can help a team already set at every other position. Will not be surprised EC quickly returns to UNC.
Seth Trimble can be a college PG! I believe in Seth next year and expected he would start at SG, and also back up EC at points where EC ain't doing crap on the floor.
EC has to maximize his college experience, he is not a pro, but can help a team already set at every other position. Will not be surprised EC quickly returns to UNC.
Seth Trimble can be a college PG! I believe in Seth next year and expected he would start at SG, and also back up EC at points where EC ain't doing crap on the floor.
Ven Lubin improved more than anyone on this team.
In season? Or totality from 2 years ago?
Seth made a bigger leap during the offseason.
He wasn't out of position. First of all, position matterson the defensive end too, and unfortunately, he can't guard any position at the ACC level. It's true he's not really big/strong/physical enough for the better ACC centers, but he looks even more out of place trying to guard perimeter-oriented 4s. You cannot play him next to a center defensively.
You're presumably referring to his offensive skills. But he's not actually a good shooter, he's 32% from 3 in his career and 66% from the line. Further, his slow windup shot means he can rarely even get 3-pt shots up unless he's wide open. He's decently skilled as a shooter for a guy his size, but truly there's nothing noteworthy there beyond some high school hype. And he has no ball handling ability whatsoever. Our best recent offensive 4s are Ingram, Manek, and Cam Johnson. Jalen can't hold a candle to any of them.
Unfortunately, he's just not a very good player for the level we want to be at on either end of the court. I'm sure the injuries played a big part in that, and I wish him nothing but the best moving forward, but it was time to move on.
Ok I see whats evolving here. So over the course of 4 years, are players developing well within this program? You could state a case for Lubin and Tremble. However for those two, is it player development? Is it a natural progression? Lubin contributed at a higher level for Vandy. Tremble, maybe the only player I would give some credit to the program. Would you like to start naming the list of players that did not develop within the program over the years? Let's start with Armondo, we can keep it going, CLove, EC, JWash? When we're done with those, I've got more to discuss...
I think this is the type of argument that each side can and often will just attribute development for or against based on their personal view or want. Was it the player or the coaching that led to growth or stagnation?
One thing that stood out to me is the mention of Armando as not developing, sheesh, I think he grew by leaps and bounds. Attribute it to whomever, but his growth was massive.
I agree with you. On Armando, I don't think he developed much, I mean really didn't develop much skill. He did become more productive over time, very reliable and is a UNC great but a guy that to this day, is unable reach the pro rank. I think (and really hope) the GLeague will help with the skills to make it to the League. You are right, it really is about differenting opinions here, I guess there are those that really believe this current staff isn't developing players very well. I believe rising young prospects feel the same but maybe time will tell?
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