Evil strikes again....

[Littlejon]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't we do this with Japan in WWII? Seems like I recall that strategy working pretty well since they, you know, surrendered. Yes, it killed a LOT of innocent people, but it worked. It showed Japan we were willing to do whatever it took to stop them and we took out two lesser cities to show them that Tokyo was next if they didn't surrender. And they were as, if not MORE, brutal than the Nazis.

People also forget that Reagan did this same thing to show the Libyans we meant business after they attacked us. Don't recall Khadafi doing a damn thing after we wiped out half his family.

I am sorry, it sounds harsh, but sometimes a massive showing of strength is the only way to deal with a problem. Liberal hand-wringers will whine that doing so will only make them hate us more. Really? Hate us more than they already do?

OK, fine. I don't care if they hate us for the next 2,000 years. If wiping out a handful of people to show them we mean business keeps them from even considering doing something else to us, they can hate us all they want.

But, here's a compromise for you. Let's say we decide that we have had enough and tell ALL muslims worldwide that the next attack on anything related to US property anywhere in the world will result in an ICBM being sent to Mecca. Just to show we mean business, we launch one (alert the Russkies first) with no nuke on it into the desert outside Mecca and take out some sheep. Let the world know we are tired of it and if they don't want their holiest of places wiped off the face of the earth, THEY had better deal with the jihadis and make sure none of them even considers an attack on us ever again.

We get our show of strength, we only wipe out a few sheep and the jihadi problem now becomes someone else's to deal with. Problem is we damn well better have the cajones to back it up should someone be stupid enough to attack us. Depending on who is in office, that may never happen.

 

[heelbent]

I didn't say I want to kill everyone in every Islamic country. But if taking out the families of suicide murders stops others from committing these heinous acts then I'm all for it.

 

[tarheel0910]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't we do this with Japan in WWII? Seems like I recall that strategy working pretty well since they, you know, surrendered. Yes, it killed a LOT of innocent people, but it worked. It showed Japan we were willing to do whatever it took to stop them and we took out two lesser cities to show them that Tokyo was next if they didn't surrender. And they were as, if not MORE, brutal than the Nazis.

I'm not sure that is the best comparison. You are talking about a centralized government in the case of Japan. It's easy to control an army when there is only one leader. That's not the case with these terrorist. I understand the point you are making, but there is nothing in place to control them like there was with Japan.

 

[HeelFan58]

I realize it's answering hate with hate, but they simply don't understand anything else and to be honest, it DOES work.

Those children are being taught to hate and kill your children. Right now...at this moment.

I know of at least one bombing with collateral casualties that was anything but an accident. The building was laser painted by an operator and the bomb was guided to the target. It took out two radicals and at least 20 of their immediate family members. It also completely eradicated the threat of an attack that was imminent and completely destroyed the will of a terror cell.

Did innocents die? Yes. Did it also save countless innocent lives? I have absolutely no doubt that it did.

our innocents > their innocents

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

You won't like this, but; Americans and western civilization can never, ever out-fight Radical Islam. Trying to do that is pouring gas onto a forest fire.

This is simply false. Fighting them the way we're fighting them now, will never be successful - that's right.

However nuking the entire region would damn sure take care of the problem. Sure - probably a billion innocent people would die too, but the problem of Radical Islam would be gone. It's all about determining what's worth more...

 

[HeelFan58]

War is Hell

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I don't have a problem with killing a terrorist, but do you honestly think that intentionally killing innocent people is going to help the situation? If a terrorist has 2 kids under the age of 5, I'm not sure how killing them is going to help anything.

I'm not a fan of killing innocent people. However, there's an argument to be made if the the 2 kids you reference there are innocent people, or better yet - will grow up to be innocent people.

If there's even a 1% chance that those kids grow up to be an extremist that hurts my family - I'm double-tapping them and not thinking twice about it.

 

[tarheel0910]

I'm not a fan of killing innocent people. However, there's an argument to be made if the the 2 kids you reference there are innocent people, or better yet - will grow up to be innocent people.

If there's even a 1% chance that those kids grow up to be an extremist that hurts my family - I'm double-tapping them and not thinking twice about it.

If that's how you feel that's fine, but I just can't make that leap.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

If that's how you feel that's fine, but I just can't make that leap.

I just wouldn't be able to live with myself allowing the future atrocities.

To each their own.

 

[tarheel0910]

I just wouldn't be able to live with myself allowing the future atrocities.

To each their own.

The thing is you don't know that. How could you know if a child is going to grow up to be a killer? Maybe if you take out his radial terrorist dad before he has a chance to raise him, then he never becomes a terrorist. Everyone is upset at this bombing because innocent women and children were killed/hurt. How is that different than what you are talking about?

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Everyone is upset at this bombing because innocent women and children were killed/hurt.

I get upset when innocent men are killed/hurt too.

How is that different than what you are talking about?

They didn't have the 1% (or greater) chance of growing up to be a terrorist.

 

[tarheel0910]

They didn't have the 1% (or greater) chance of growing up to be a terrorist.

Can you show me the statistics to back up your claim that the people killed/hurt won't become a terrorist or even "just" a murderer? Also, just to be clear, is 1% your minimum threshold? If there was a .01% chance that someone in that crowd would be a terrorist would you still be upset that the guy set off the bomb?

 

[strummingram]

In a second. There would be impalings , hangings and beheadings cause that's the kind of thing they understand , many , many impalings.

Then you're exactly like them. You'll kill innocent people and you'll justify it... just... like... them. You're so much like these people, actually. You have your own reasons for justifying it, that's fine. But, you're very much like these people when you allow yourself to act like they do.

 

[DeanFor President]

Fine... do it your way. I mean THEIR way. Be more like them. Act like them. Let's just be as uncivilized as them. Do what they do. Become just... like... them. Sounds foolproof.

If what they do is "evil", then the obvious remedy is to be MORE EVIL. Good luck.

Strum is a graduate of the Katy Perry School of Counterterrorism.
"We need to all just love on each other."

 

[strummingram]

again just making statements and claiming they are true , Yeah I prefer peace , but don't mind using violence to restore or maintain it. I think you should change your screen name to "Neville Chamberlain".

World War II is a totally different set of circumstances... completely different.

But, as with any war, America was responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of totally innocent women and children, and they justified it. As long as people allow themselves to justify it, then you'll guarantee more, and more, and more, and more. The only thing that WOULD end it would be a nuclear exchange that kills the entire human race.

 

[strummingram]

Strum is a graduate of the Katy Perry School of Counterterrorism.
"We need to all just love on each other."

Ooohhh, I would love to be in her class loving her. Thank you!

 

[strummingram]

The only difference is we'd be the ones alive.

Isn't that the entire point?

I dunno... is it? Are you that primal? I'm all for having self-preservation mechanisms, but, if you believe in the things of your faith, then you make a hypocrite of yourself if that's all that matters.

 

[HeelFan58]

Strum is a graduate of the Katy Perry School of Counterterrorism.
"We need to all just love on each other."

I'd like to love on Katy's tit-tays.

 

[Littlejon]

Ooohhh, I would love to be in her class loving her. Thank you!

Motorboating Katy Perry to promote peace. Something we can ALL agree on! Hell, I'd give it a shot. What's the worst that could happen? <ducks for cover when the wife reads this>

 

[strummingram]

What exactly is that solution? You continue to dodge that question. I'm more than willing to consider alternative solutions, but you refuse to offer one. I don't have the perfect solution to this, but if you have one or one that you think is better let us know.

My solution is more of a macro idea. You and I do not control what other people in power do. But, we do control what we, as individuals, do. My solution is to be the antithesis to them. I want to be the polarity of what they are, in every sense. That creates a balance. It's not conventional and it requires some cerebral/existential understanding, but that is where I am.

The policies and actions of the people in power are out of our reach. People saying they wanna blow them all up are just mimicking the terrorists in thought. We don't have that power. And, you can say we can elect it, but elections are sham and so are politicians.

 

[strummingram]

I'd like to love on Katy's tit-tays.

You would never be accepted to the class.

 

[HeelFan58]

World War II is a totally different set of circumstances... completely different.

But, as with any war, America was responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of totally innocent women and children, and they justified it. As long as people allow themselves to justify it, then you'll guarantee more, and more, and more, and more. The only thing that WOULD end it would be a nuclear exchange that kills the entire human race.

Grow the fuk up. There are no innocents in a declared war. You must destroy the will of the populace. WTF do you think Sherman burned the South?

 

[strummingram]

I didn't say I want to kill everyone in every Islamic country. But if taking out the families of suicide murders stops others from committing these heinous acts then I'm all for it.

Well, you're really no different than them. If killing innocent people is on your list of possibilities, then you're just like them with a different set of justifications.

 

[HeelFan58]

You would never be accepted to the class.

I'd get her after the class. Bangfest

 

[strummingram]

WTF do you think Sherman burned the South?

He had the same mentality as you.

I have grown up. You should try it. Or stay simple, your choice.

 

[strummingram]

I'd get her after the class. Bangfest

That's probably your speed... forced entry.

 

[HeelFan58]

He had the same mentality as you.

I have grown up. You should try it. Or stay simple, your choice.

ahhhhh I was wondering how long before the "Prince of Love and Understanding" would start the insults. Anyway I got to go , this is one of the reasons that I have been trying to avoid your infinite circle jerks. Don't have the time. I'll leave with this "America" and "Winning" are inseparable.

 

[strummingram]

ahhhhh I was wondering how long before the "Prince of Love and Understanding" would start the insults. Anyway I got to go , this is one of the reasons that I have been trying to avoid your infinite circle jerks. Don't have the time. I'll leave with this "America" and "Winning" are inseparable.

I insulted you by calling you out on your own comments? Okay. I did it politely at least. I think you should go, too.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Can you show me the statistics to back up your claim that the people killed/hurt won't become a terrorist or even "just" a murderer?

If there were statistics to determine that, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[tarheel0910]

My solution is more of a macro idea. You and I do not control what other people in power do. But, we do control what we, as individuals, do. My solution is to be the antithesis to them. I want to be the polarity of what they are, in every sense. That creates a balance. It's not conventional and it requires some cerebral/existential understanding, but that is where I am.

Ok, I can respect that. I just don't think that would work either. Most of these people hate us for our way of life or they are just upset that they can't have the same life that we have. I don't think being the opposite of them will ever change that. I don't think killing everyone in sight is the solution either. I guess I fall somewhere in the middle of the two ideas. I think we can give those innocent people some help, hope, education or whatever you want to call it while also holding terrorist/criminals accountable.

 

[strummingram]

This is simply false. Fighting them the way we're fighting them now, will never be successful - that's right.

However nuking the entire region would damn sure take care of the problem. Sure - probably a billion innocent people would die too, but the problem of Radical Islam would be gone. It's all about determining what's worth more...

You and I have no control over how it's being "fought" when it comes to "us." We never have and never will.

And, once you start nuking entire countries, it's only a matter of time and the human race (and many other species for that matter) are gone. And, the earth probably says "Good riddance." Some plastic is all that's left!

When people voice that they're perfectly fine with killing innocent people in order to achieve some kind of goal or outcome, then I count myself right out, and I don't even hesitate.

 

[strummingram]

Most of these people hate us for our way of life or they are just upset that they can't have the same life that we have.

Bull... shit!

That is extremely arrogant and presumptuous. I'm surprised you would say that.

 

[tarheel0910]

If there were statistics to determine that, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Now I'm confused. You're basing your whole argument on stats, but now you are saying those stats don't exist?

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I dunno... is it? Are you that primal? I'm all for having self-preservation mechanisms, but, if you believe in the things of your faith, then you make a hypocrite of yourself if that's all that matters.

This is where I call BS. Anyone who resorts to the "well if you believe in Heaven then whats the problem with dying" response, is disingenuous at best. If that were really the case - why don't you eat a Glock? Every day you allow yourself to keep living you are a hypocrite if your 100% sure the next life is better, right?

My solution is more of a macro idea. You and I do not control what other people in power do. But, we do control what we, as individuals, do. My solution is to be the antithesis to them. I want to be the polarity of what they are, in every sense. That creates a balance.

It doesn't create a balance though. Because them having an entire army acting one way, and little old you acting another, are not equal but opposites.

 

[strummingram]

We elect people like this into office and wonder why innocent people elsewhere have contempt for us:

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Now I'm confused. You're basing your whole argument on stats, but now you are saying those stats don't exist?

If they do exist, feel free to poast them.

 

[strummingram]

This is where I call BS. Anyone who resorts to the "well if you believe in Heaven then whats the problem with dying" response, is disingenuous at best. If that were really the case - why don't you eat a Glock? Every day you allow yourself to keep living you are a hypocrite if your 100% sure the next life is better, right?



It doesn't create a balance though. Because them having an entire army acting one way, and little old you acting another, are not equal but opposites.

I'm not compelled to end my body's function. But, I'm not afraid of death. Sorry if that puzzles you.

 

[tarheel0910]

Bull... shit!

That is extremely arrogant and presumptuous. I'm surprised you would say that.

So you don't think that they hate us because we are not Muslim or say that being gay is not a sin or allow women to have equal rights?

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I'm not compelled to end my body's function. But, I'm not afraid of death.

Have you ever been standing in front of a car/bus/train? Why'd you move? You wouldn't have had to do anything proactive to kill yourself, it would have happened naturally. And if you're not afraid of dying, it certainly wasn't fear that got you to move.

 

[tarheel0910]

If they do exist, feel free to poast them.

Ok, so what exactly is your argument then? You are the one who said it would be ok to kill them if there is a 1% chance they would become a terrorist. How are you coming up with your 1%?