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Evil strikes again....

We're not discussing "people going to war," we're discussing Islam and it's centuries- long unprovoked conquest and slaughter of Christians, Jews,and other Muslims who aren't the right kind of Muslims. And I was discussing it by providing examples of their jihadi behavior that predate the mid-20th Century, which is when you say their anger toward the West began. But as usual you choose to ignore those since they destroy your weak sauce position.

How am I culpable when they started this about 1400 years ago?
I have plenty of empathy. I am empathetic toward you based on your pathetic naivete and desperate need to defend a religion whose adherents would happily filet you with no compunction. Bless your heart.
If you want to believe that, fine.

I'll bring some cocktail sauce for the filleting. I'll at least ask for a delay so you can be notified to come and watch.
 
So what should be the consequences of their actions (creating a terrorist organization to blow up innocent people in other countries)?
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So what should be the consequences of their actions (creating a terrorist organization to blow up innocent people in other countries)?
We're going to find that out. My guess is that the consequences will be the same as always- keep killing more innocent people while trying to kill the bad people and the terror organization memberships will grow and grow. Meanwhile, continue to maintain the benefits of the natural resources of the regions, etc..
 
Strum and Boy have swilled the liberal BS that all cultures are equal. Sorry, but just because you say it doesn't make it so. They don't want to be "one big tribe" with us. You see, they don't get to have their end of the world party with the returning Mahdi until no other religion is worshipped on earth, and the "people of the book"- Jews and Christians- are eradicated, converted, or properly subdued. They have no wish to "coexist" as the bumper sticker that most likely resides on both of their cars implores us.

WTF are you talking about? Don't put words in my mouth. I have never said that Islamic culture is even remotely equal to the secular, liberal democracy that forms the foundation of western civilization. I clearly stated the exact opposite in my posts. But you didn't even read them. Because you're a tribalistic idiot that only understands things if its simplified to 'blue team vs read team.' That's literally all you're capable of understanding.

If you morons would learn how to listen instead of just believing everything that Faux News tells you about "liberal BS" then maybe you might learn something.

I have never suggested "coexisting" with radical Islam. Considering the fact that my anti-theism is well established on this board, you'd have to be an idiot to suggest otherwise. Which you just did.
 
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Islam is a religious philosophy. It has no "animus" against anything, it's intangible.

The PEOPLE absolutely have animus toward the West when they are responsible for much of the chaos in their homeland since the end of World War I. That's why the violent reactions are so frequent since then, especially in the last 40 years. Actions have consequences.

This is where you're wrong. Islam is a codified doctrine, so it most definitely is tangible. Christians love to play this game too. They pretend like whats found in the bible doesn't define christianity. So if people don't believe, or practice a belief then it doesn't count. But it does.

A religion isn't defined by the behavior of its practitioners. It is defined by the codified doctrines found in the religious texts. How closely people follow these injunctions is the measure of how closely they follow said religion. Christianity could be every bit as dangerous as Islam, if massive numbers of christians held the illiberal beliefs that are widespread throughout the Islamic world. Fortunately for us, most of the west is governed by secular law, not religious law. So christianity had no choice but to reform. It's time for Islam to do the same.

Fundamentalist religion is only a problem because the fundamentals are problematic to begin with. Taking a book literally wouldn't be a problem if the book wasn't full of disgusting, wicked, backwards principles.
 
WTF are you talking about? Don't put words in my mouth. I have never said that Islamic culture is even remotely equal to the secular, liberal democracy that forms the foundation of western civilization. I clearly stated the exact opposite in my posts. But you didn't even read them. Because you're a tribalistic idiot that only understands things if its simplified to 'blue team vs read team.' That's literally all you're capable of understanding.

If you morons would learn how to listen instead of just believing everything that Faux News tells you about "liberal BS" then maybe you might learn something.

I have never suggested "coexisting" with radical Islam. Considering the fact that my anti-theism is well established on this board, you'd have to be an idiot to suggest otherwise. Which you just did.
I may have lumped you in with Strum in error here, and ordinarily I would apologize for that. But I didn't repeatedly call you names in violation of board rules. So f**k you
 
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This is where you're wrong. Islam is a codified doctrine, so it most definitely is tangible. Christians love to play this game too. They pretend like whats found in the bible doesn't define christianity. So if people don't believe, or practice a belief then it doesn't count. But it does.

A religion isn't defined by the behavior of its practitioners. It is defined by the codified doctrines found in the religious texts. How closely people follow these injunctions is the measure of how closely they follow said religion. Christianity could be every bit as dangerous as Islam, if massive numbers of christians held the illiberal beliefs that are widespread throughout the Islamic world. Fortunately for us, most of the west is governed by secular law, not religious law. So christianity had no choice but to reform. It's time for Islam to do the same.

Fundamentalist religion is only a problem because the fundamentals are problematic to begin with. Taking a book literally wouldn't be a problem if the book wasn't full of disgusting, wicked, backwards principles.
Ya know... that was a good summation. I guess I sorta feel compelled to believe that the basis for the faiths and religions have good intentions, but definitely exclude and judge- often harshly- when taken literally. And, you're right; Our society deviated from literal church doctrine. Our culture definitely does. A lot of so-called Christian conservatives would gladly live in a Christian theocracy. To me, the Abrahamic religions are very similar.

I also agree that Islam needs to conform as you stated. People worship their religions because the religion insists that God needs to be worshipped. God needs nothing.
 
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It was an off-hand estimate I picked out of thin air for the sake of a discussion. It was to invite debate as to what that percentage would have to be for you to be willing to kill him, 100%? .00001%? The answers will differ from person to person. People like Strum wouldn't even do so at 100% it seems (which is scary).
Strum is FOS , but I am pretty sure you knew that. He thinks proclaiming no fear of death will prevent him from being exposed as the "Simpleton" that he truly is.
 
Strum and Boy have swilled the liberal BS that all cultures are equal. Sorry, but just because you say it doesn't make it so. They don't want to be "one big tribe" with us. You see, they don't get to have their end of the world party with the returning Mahdi until no other religion is worshipped on earth, and the "people of the book"- Jews and Christians- are eradicated, converted, or properly subdued. They have no wish to "coexist" as the bumper sticker that most likely resides on both of their cars implores us.

Churchill knew all about Islam in 1899, which is wayyyyy before US foreign policy adventures and the Shah of Iran:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science—the science against which it had vainly struggled—the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
Winston Churchill, 1899

Churchill was pretty smart.

Here is Jefferson over 200 years ago, wondering why they kept attacking and killing us with NO PROVOCATION:

"We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the Grounds of their pretensions to make war upon a Nation who had done them no Injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our Friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. THE AMBASSADOR ANSWERED US THAT IT WAS FOUNDED ON THE LAWS OF THEIR PROPHET, THAT IT WAS WRITTEN IN THEIR KORAN, THAT ALL NATIONS WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THEIR AUTHORITY WERE SINNERS, THAT IT WAS THEIR RIGHT AND DUTY TO MAKE WAR UPON THEM WHEREVER THEY COULD BE FOUND, AND TO MAKE SLAVES OF ALL THEY COULD TAKE AS PRISONERS, AND THAT EVERY MUSSELMAN (MUSLIM) WHO SHOULD BE SLAIN IN BATTLE WAS SURE TO GO TO PARADISE"
Thomas Jefferson, on the Barbary Wars, approx. 1804-1814

For the hundredth time, Islam's animus toward the West has NOTHING to do with mid- 20th Century US foreign policy.
Forget it. You can never penetrate their thick skulls. They think they (the little piss ants that they are) are smarter than Jefferson and Churchill. who are 2 truly great minds.
 
Strum is FOS , but I am pretty sure you knew that. He thinks proclaiming no fear of death will prevent him from being exposed as the "Simpleton" that he truly is.

Lemme make sure I got this right.

If I proclaim I'm not afraid of death, then that will prevent me from being exposed as a simpleton... ??

You got me. That was my plan exactly. Nothing gets by you, does it? Foiled again.
 
Forget it. You can never penetrate their thick skulls. They think they (the little piss ants that they are) are smarter than Jefferson and Churchill. who are 2 truly great minds.
Piss ant? Now, that was clever.
 
Forget it. You can never penetrate their thick skulls. They think they (the little piss ants that they are) are smarter than Jefferson and Churchill. who are 2 truly great minds.

You two are one and the same. You don't have a damn clue what I think. You're too caught up in your Fox News caricature of what a "liberal" to bother reading anything I've ever posted.

Jefferson is one of my heroes. I have repeatedly made it clear that Islam is ideologically opposed to the secular, liberal, democratic values that hold up western civilization. I'm an anti-theist. I've never once on this board made excuses for Islam. But you two repeatedly make yourselves look like morons by arguing against a belief that I don't even hold. It's pathetic.
 
You two are one and the same. You don't have a damn clue what I think. You're too caught up in your Fox News caricature of what a "liberal" to bother reading anything I've ever posted.

Jefferson is one of my heroes. I have repeatedly made it clear that Islam is ideologically opposed to the secular, liberal, democratic values that hold up western civilization. I'm an anti-theist. I've never once on this board made excuses for Islam. But you two repeatedly make yourselves look like morons by arguing against a belief that I don't even hold. It's pathetic.
Jefferson wrote his own Bible! Blasphemous!
 
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Jefferson wrote his own Bible! Blasphemous!

I love that story. He started by taking a razor blade to his bible, cutting out all of the nonsense and by the time he was done he just threw the whole thing out. lolol

Its funny that the same people who try to use Jefferson would probably also argue that the United States is a "christian" nation. Ignorance is bliss.
 
You're too caught up in your Fox News caricature of what a "liberal" to bother reading anything I've ever posted.
I listen to Upstate talk radio a lot when I'm driving. Dennis Prager, Sean Hannity, Mike Gallagher, and there's a local show that I've actually called-in and challenged the host a few times. They hate that!

But, I do notice that their dialogue is always "the left is bad", "the left wants us to be communists", "the left hates everything about America", etc., etc., etc.. And, on a more subtle level, people like Colbert and Trevor Noah, Bill Maher, and so forth, are the same way about "the right." I guess the lefty people are usually comedians and are paid to make fun of them. They don't really portray the conservative side as evil. To hear the talk radio guys speak, you'd think "the left" was planning terrorist attacks with ISIS.

This left/right crap just seems really destructive and impedes progress as a society. Both do their fair share to villianize the other.
 
I love that story. He started by taking a razor blade to his bible, cutting out all of the nonsense and by the time he was done he just threw the whole thing out. lolol

Its funny that the same people who try to use Jefferson would probably also argue that the United States is a "christian" nation. Ignorance is bliss.
83% of Americans identify as Christian so what is YFP.
 
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I can appreciate honesty. Choosing to not read it makes you ignorant. You revel in it and then accuse him, or me, or anyone that doesn't agree with you, as being clueless and simple. You epitomize clueless and simple by your own admission.
 
I listen to Upstate talk radio a lot when I'm driving. Dennis Prager, Sean Hannity, Mike Gallagher, and there's a local show that I've actually called-in and challenged the host a few times. They hate that!

But, I do notice that their dialogue is always "the left is bad", "the left wants us to be communists", "the left hates everything about America", etc., etc., etc.. And, on a more subtle level, people like Colbert and Trevor Noah, Bill Maher, and so forth, are the same way about "the right." I guess the lefty people are usually comedians and are paid to make fun of them. They don't really portray the conservative side as evil. To hear the talk radio guys speak, you'd think "the left" was planning terrorist attacks with ISIS.

This left/right crap just seems really destructive and impedes progress as a society. Both do their fair share to villianize the other.
Colbert , Noah and Maher don't describe the right as evil?? WTF Have you heard Noah who is nothing but a simpleton describe the U.S. as an apartheid country? Did you hear Colbert? Colbert is terrible he is just desperate for ratings and is appealing to the libs , many of which don't work so staying up late is no issue. Maher hates all religion and makes sense once in a great while. You are hearing what you want. Par for course.
 
Please enlighten me as to how I've "defended" Islam. You just proved my point.
It's interesting how the usual "Sheep Herder" haters have more of an ally in you than they ever realize when it comes to hating these Islamic terrorists. They're busy painting you as the evil liberal who is in cahoots with Al Qaeda.
 
I can appreciate honesty. Choosing to not read it makes you ignorant. You revel in it and then accuse him, or me, or anyone that doesn't agree with you, as being clueless and simple. You epitomize clueless and simple by your own admission.
I don't need to , your posts never change.
 
Colbert , Noah and Maher don't describe the right as evil?? WTF Have you heard Noah who is nothing but a simpleton describe the U.S. as an apartheid country? Did you hear Colbert? Colbert is terrible he is just desperate for ratings and is appealing to the libs , many of which don't work so staying up late is no issue. Maher hates all religion and makes sense once in a great while. You are hearing what you want. Par for course.
I think you might ought to avoid calling people "simple." I know you think you're not and your belief is half of what's necessary to make it a reality. But... the other half... you're lacking that half.
 
Colbert , Noah and Maher don't describe the right as evil?? WTF Have you heard Noah who is nothing but a simpleton describe the U.S. as an apartheid country? Did you hear Colbert? Colbert is terrible he is just desperate for ratings and is appealing to the libs , many of which don't work so staying up late is no issue. Maher hates all religion and makes sense once in a great while. You are hearing what you want. Par for course.
So, you DO read the posts?

Yes, no???

I don't watch those guys anywhere near as much as I listen to talk radio. But, I did say that both sides do their fair share. You must have stopped reading, or retain what you want. Par for the course.
 
Please enlighten me as to how I've "defended" Islam. You just proved my point.

Here you go.

A religion isn't defined by the behavior of its practitioners. It is defined by the codified doctrines found in the religious texts. How closely people follow these injunctions is the measure of how closely they follow said religion. Christianity could be every bit as dangerous as Islam,

YES a religion is most certainly defined by its practitioners like it or not. Christianity could be every bit as dangerous.......funny but it hasn't been.

This is defending....protest if all you want.
 
So, you DO read the posts?

Yes, no???

I don't watch those guys anywhere near as much as I listen to talk radio. But, I did say that both sides do their fair share. You must have stopped reading, or retain what you want. Par for the course.
I guess the lefty people are usually comedians and are paid to make fun of them. They don't really portray the conservative side as evil. To hear the talk radio guys speak, you'd think "the left" was planning terrorist attacks with ISIS.
WITF did you say both sides do their share?
 
Here you go.



YES a religion is most certainly defined by its practitioners like it or not. Christianity could be every bit as dangerous.......funny but it hasn't been.

This is defending....protest if all you want.

That isn't even close to defending you imbecile. I'm stating that jihad is a codified doctrine of Islam, whether Muslims are peaceful or not. You seriously must have a double digit IQ
 
That isn't even close to defending you imbecile. I'm stating that jihad is a codified doctrine of Islam, whether Muslims are peaceful or not. You seriously must have a double digit IQ
Keep fooling yourself you half wit with your single digit IQ(see I can lower myself to your juvenile level too). WTF are you even on here except to defend Islam and you have done it every post and you are just too much of a coward or intellectually dishonest to admit it..
 
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I guess the lefty people are usually comedians and are paid to make fun of them. They don't really portray the conservative side as evil. To hear the talk radio guys speak, you'd think "the left" was planning terrorist attacks with ISIS.


again you leave out the part where you said "they don't really portray the conservative side as evil" It is a shame when you can't even be honest to yourself and admit what you said ,without leaving out key parts. You as many on here have said are a textbook PHONY.
 
Keep fooling yourself you half wit with your single digit IQ(see I can lower myself to your juvenile level too). WTF are you even on here except to defend Islam and you have done it every post and you are just too much of a coward or intellectually dishonest to admit it..

I have not even come close to defending Islam. You are an idiot. I'm calling you an idiot, because you keep proving yourself to be an idiot. Over and over again.

If you aren't capable of comprehending a post, then just keep your mouth shut. It's not really that complicated.
 
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