Felton and class...
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Yeah, I've used the Dex comparison before and if that's his ceiling that's not a bad thing.
I don't think that's a fair statement. Dex was a Burger Boy with explosive athleticism who got set back by a major knee injury.
His biggest issue was being a bit of a tweener --- not a natural PG and didn't develop a consistent enough shot to be a starting 2. Still, he became a versatile backup, played the hell outta some defense, and could absolutely fly in transition. Dex had also had a quite successful pro career.
He was well into his Jr. season when that knee injury struck. He wasn't really trending to be any better that season.
My issue with Dex is he didn't improve much during his time here. Never developed a shot even though the entire program was begging him to for 3 seasons.
Not sure if I'd label his pro career as successful...it's really just this past season in Greece.
My lasting memory of Dex will be him bricking 18 footer after 18 footer.
That's to bad, I remember he could flat out get off the floor. The charge called on him against Lurch was a stinkin crime. Besides, he will always be a Tar Heel.
Here is what Dex did his Sr season.................
Led the nation in assist-error ratio (3.19) and was fifth in the ACC in assists • No other player in the ACC has an assist-error ratio better than 2.4 • Started all 36 games • Averaged a career-high 7.8 points and 4.2 assists • Scored in double figures 12 times with a high of 16 against UNLV and at Clemson • Had 150 assists and only 47 turnovers • More assists than turnovers in 28 games • Handed out six or more assists 12 times • Averaged a turnover only once every 27.4 minutes in ACC play and once every 21.4 minutes overall • Fifth on the team with 42 steals • Made four three-pointers, the last one against East Carolina on Dec. 15th • Had 59 assists and 14 turnovers in the last 12 games • Shot 42 for 90 from the floor in the last 12 games (.467) after making 17 of 54 (.314) in the first 10 ACC games • Converted 27 of his last 30 free throw attempts (.900) • Only scholarship senior on the squad.
Let that soak in.
Led the nation in assist-error ratio (3.19) and was fifth in the ACC in assists • No other player in the ACC has an assist-error ratio better than 2.4 • Started all 36 games • Averaged a career-high 7.8 points and 4.2 assists • Scored in double figures 12 times with a high of 16 against UNLV and at Clemson • Had 150 assists and only 47 turnovers • More assists than turnovers in 28 games • Handed out six or more assists 12 times • Averaged a turnover only once every 27.4 minutes in ACC play and once every 21.4 minutes overall • Fifth on the team with 42 steals • Made four three-pointers, the last one against East Carolina on Dec. 15th • Had 59 assists and 14 turnovers in the last 12 games • Shot 42 for 90 from the floor in the last 12 games (.467) after making 17 of 54 (.314) in the first 10 ACC games • Converted 27 of his last 30 free throw attempts (.900) • Only scholarship senior on the squad.
Let that soak in.
You don't think Seventh can have that kind of contribution after three full seasons?
in 28 minutes per...that's not very good for a senior.
Starting SG is 5th on the TEAM in steals? Is that supposed to be good?
WOAH! I stand corrected. He's amazing. He made 4 WHOLE three pointers as a starting SG in his ENTIRE senior season.
Really? He shot 4/23 from 3 all season (17%).
Oh, it's soaking.
Come on...I couldn't have been the only one screaming at the TV "WHY ARE YOU SHOOTING 3's" 23 times during that season.
I really wanted Dex to be good. He's from around me and I remember watching him dominate in HS.
The problem is that he didn't improve from when he was 17 years old. He graduated UNC with the same weaknesses he had when he was a junior in HS.
The problem is that he didn't improve from when he was 17 years old. He graduated UNC with the same weaknesses he had when he was a junior in HS.
I don't understand the need to put any of our players down! I especially hate when peeps try to hide their bashing by calling it objective critique! It is an insult to our intelligence that they think we can't see their agendas!
Dex was a real contributor and a potential star that had a serious injury setback. 7th has a world pf potential and pure shooting is not the only important skill a player can have! PG at UNC is a hard position to learn even if you have been a PG your whole career, so give the kid some breaks as he learns what is needed!
Dex was a real contributor and a potential star that had a serious injury setback. 7th has a world pf potential and pure shooting is not the only important skill a player can have! PG at UNC is a hard position to learn even if you have been a PG your whole career, so give the kid some breaks as he learns what is needed!
Yeah that's my most vivid memory. Flat posterized that flopping dookie
Well, you know I'm not in the business of putting our guys down, so I can say it's honest critique on my part... and I think I've been very fair. If a guy's playing out of position it can be a tough deal. As I said earlier ITT, 7th has some skills most fans haven't seen yet. On the other hand, as for playing PG at Carolina, yes there's a learning curve but what's missing here are the things ones can't be taught.
For my fellow Radarites who are reticent to buy my admonitions, I invite you to visualize in your mind's eye a Carolina team winning any kind of championship with 7th as our starting PG... ? C'mon... You know better.
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Probably the worst block/charge call I've ever seen, honestly. Even Singler was shocked he got the call.
All I remember from Strickland is that he seemed to make every jumper from a foot within the arc but miss everything the extra step back to be behind the arc. It was weird.
And not one mention of the positives? Every team needs a "Dex-Jackie-Melvin-Nate-Matt" type player.
Well after shooting ~49% on 2 pointers his first two years he completely dropped the 3pt shot and was hitting 58% of his 2 pointers when he got hurt. I'd say that would be a positive trend.
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Sooo...I'm going to argue Dex isn't in that convo with those other 4.
P.S. What do those other 4 have that Dex doesn't? So yeah, I don't put him in that convo.
It did seem he had a mental block about the 3-pt line. IIRC that was discussed on here at the time. Seems he was around a 50% FG shooter... until he got outside the arc, where he was barely over the Mendoza Line. Of course, the same could be said of D'Aaron Fox...
Christ...we aren't comparing apples to apples in your example. It's called common sense, acquire it then comment.
Mike was comparing Dex to our glue guy wings that helped us win titles. I'm arguing that while Dex fit that mold, he was of lesser ability than the 4 he mentioned.
C'mom man...that's just lame.
Because I'm stating a fact that the 4 Mikey mentioned helped us win titles and Dex did not?
Facts are lame to you?
I would disagree with that as well. He was a better all-around player than Melvin or Nate.
Ability was the wrong word. Let's say he didn't fit his role as well as the ones mentioned (as that glue guy).
I'd argue Melvin and Nate giving us very valuable minutes on the way to titles behind great PG's is more valuable than a SG who can't shoot.
No, lame comparison and very bad logic. The fact that those 4 guys happened to be on title teams doesn't make them better, as I said above.
While I'm not gonna argue that Dex was some great talent, I would take him over Nate Britt every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Dex played both SG and PG, and take away 3 pt pct, shot nearly 50% for his career. He was also a way better defender than than either Melvin or Nate (who played essentially the same roles and Dex). Bang on him all you want but your distinction falls flat.
Whatever...agree to disagree. I remember Dex as a very promising 17 year old at St. Pat's that never really developed into what he could have been. It is a shame, he's a real good dude and had all the natural god given talent.
I'm pretty sure you would take someone from the school of the blind A/V club over Nate.
No you said not even in the same conversation. Now you say he was that type of player but had lesser ability because the rest of his team was not named Felton, Lawson, May, etc. Talk about not making sense.
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Not at all. I stand by my original statement, Dex wasn't very good and he didn't improve much while he was here.
Agreeing to disagree is backtracking to you? Here I thought that was the right way to resolve a disagreement. It's almost like you want inboard fighting, is that the case? Come on Arch, you're better than that.
Possibly we are talking semantics here.
By "not very good" do you mean on a scale of Great - Very Good - Good - etc he was not in the "Very Good" class or do you mean he was just not a good player. I took it to mean the latter. I would agree with the former.
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