Fiorina Strikes Back At Pro-Abortion Critics

[uncboy10]

See, you are a religious zealot!

Atheism and more importantly secularism are not religions. Science is not a religion. These are convolutions only attempted by the feeble minded because they don't have the conviction to stand by themselves. You want to believe in nonsense, go right ahead. But you can't put logic and reason on an even playing field with your mythology and faith.

Also, secularism is the only reason that you have religious freedom. So maybe you should say thank you to Thomas Paine, and the other great secular thinkers that provided us with a secular godless Constitution that protect us all equally.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Atheism and more importantly secularism are not religions. Science is not a religion. These are convolutions only attempted by the feeble minded because they don't have the conviction to stand by themselves. You want to believe in nonsense, go right ahead. But you can't put logic and reason on an even playing field with your mythology and faith.

Also, secularism is the only reason that you have religious freedom. So maybe you should say thank you to Thomas Paine, and the other great secular thinkers that provided us with a secular godless Constitution that protect us all equally.

And, has been demonstrated previously with an article linked from Reason.com, atheism is in fact a religion. And, you are a zealot for that religion.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Big fan of Kelsey Grammer.

 

[uncboy10]

And, has been demonstrated previously with an article linked from Reason.com, atheism is in fact a religion. And, you are a zealot for that religion.

I could cite countless articles that disprove atheism is a religion. If you don't know by now that the internet can confirm any position with bad evidence then there's no hope for you.

 

[UNC71-00]

Big fan of Kelsey Grammer.

Just checked out that website- it was sobering.

You had a chance to look at it @uncboy10 ?

 

[uncboy10]

Just checked out that website- it was sobering.

You had a chance to look at it @uncboy10 ?

Just scrolled through it for a bit. Looked through the "arguments against abortion" most of which were complete nonsense.

 

[tazki]

uncboy you have so much to learn. You are a lost soul and I hope you get it right. BTw, you are an ass as well.

 

[uncboy10]

uncboy you have so much to learn. You are a lost soul and I hope you get it right. BTw, you are an ass as well.

I'm assuming by "get it right" you mean converting to your subjective ideology which has no basis in reality whatsoever. I'll pass.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

I could cite countless articles that disprove atheism is a religion. If you don't know by now that the internet can confirm any position with bad evidence then there's no hope for you.

Your inability to address any of the points in this Reason.com article proves you are nothing but a pretender... Nothing at all...

 

[uncboy10]

Your inability to address any of the points in this Reason.com article proves you are nothing but a pretender... Nothing at all...

You're a fundamentalist. It's not possible to address any argument you make in a way that will actually penetrate your thick skull.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

You're a fundamentalist. It's not possible to address any argument you make in a way that will actually penetrate your thick skull.

You're a pretender, a fraud - nothing more. You can't refute one thing the guy in Reason.com discussed. In fact, it is impossible to hold a decent conversation with you because you always resort to insulting people's faith, their religion, their beliefs. Sooooooooo... I*****.

 

[uncboy10]

You're a pretender, a fraud - nothing more. You can't refute one thing the guy in Reason.com discussed. In fact, it is impossible to hold a decent conversation with you because you always resort to insulting people's faith, their religion, their beliefs. Sooooooooo... I*****.

A pretender? lol what exactly am I pretending to be?

Anyone who calls atheism a religion is a moron. You need to have more than a system of thinking to have a religion. Conservatism is not a religion, liberalism is not a religion, secularism is not a religion, and neither is atheism. Can you be an atheist and be religious? Absolutely. There are atheist sects of Buddhism. But for the 99.9% of atheists who don't practice religious traditions and ceremonies, your absurd article, and your absurd opinion have zero weight whatsoever.

I don't have to insult your beliefs, they do all the work for me. You say that a book that openly condemns slavery and the reduction of women to a position of chattel is literally the word of god. The same book where your god commands his followers to slaughter women and children. And faith is not a virtue. Faith is just the ability to believe in something without evidence. Also known as credulity, or gullibility.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

A pretender? lol what exactly am I pretending to be?

Anyone who calls atheism a religion is a moron. You need to have more than a system of thinking to have a religion. Conservatism is not a religion, liberalism is not a religion, secularism is not a religion, and neither is atheism. Can you be an atheist and be religious? Absolutely. There are atheist sects of Buddhism. But for the 99.9% of atheists who don't practice religious traditions and ceremonies, your absurd article, and your absurd opinion have zero weight whatsoever.

I don't have to insult your beliefs, they do all the work for me. You say that a book that openly condemns slavery and the reduction of women to a position of chattel is literally the word of god. The same book where your god commands his followers to slaughter women and children. And faith is not a virtue. Faith is just the ability to believe in something without evidence. Also known as credulity, or gullibility.

Anyone who refuses to admit that atheism is a religion is deluded fool. Not only that, but anyone who says in his heart that there is no God is a fool.

 

[uncboy10]

Anyone who refuses to admit that atheism is a religion is deluded fool. Not only that, but anyone who says in his heart that there is no God is a fool.

Wish thinking is for children. Just because death is scary doesn't mean we should invent deities that will grant us eternal life.

I'll say this, if by whatever microscopic chance, there is a conscious higher power, christianity and every other monotheistic religion is way the hell off the mark. I can't disprove the existence of God. But either your God is extremely capricious and cruel, or he was invented by people who were. Which is more likely?

 

[shutzhund]

Yeah, she's a great choice. She proposed major steps to make the U.S. military “the strongest military on the face of the planet." Doesn't matter that it already is by far, but, who cares? I guess she's planning on the USA going to war with itself. She's a Neo-con wet dream. I see the government growing abundantly in a Fiorina administration.

Better than being the biggest welfare society.

 

[gunslingerdick]

@uncboy10
I have several questions for you that will help me understand you and your point of view a little better. I'd appreciate it if you oblige me.

1 - How old are you?
2 - Are you married? Children?
3 - Where are you from originally?
4 - Are your parents Christian? Siblings? Did you grow up as a member of a church?
5 - What is your profession?
6 - Where do you live now?

That's a good start. You don't have to go into detail because I know we all like varying degrees of anonymity. But give me what you can in regards to those questions please.

TIA.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Wish thinking is for children. Just because death is scary doesn't mean we should invent deities that will grant us eternal life.

I'll say this, if by whatever microscopic chance, there is a conscious higher power, christianity and every other monotheistic religion is way the hell off the mark. I can't disprove the existence of God. But either your God is extremely capricious and cruel, or he was invented by people who were. Which is more likely?

"...either your God is extremely capricious and cruel, or he was invented by people who were. Which is more likely?"
Neither, of course. God is completely misrepresented by people like you. You really need to grow up.

 

[uncboy10]

"...either your God is extremely capricious and cruel, or he was invented by people who were. Which is more likely?"
Neither, of course. God is completely misrepresented by people like you. You really need to grow up.

So it's not capricious to kill off virtually all the life on earth in a flood? It's not cruel to command Moses to slaughter the minianites including the women and children, save for the virgin girls, who they were to save as the spoils of victory?

Anyone who has objectively examined the bible in its entirely can clearly see it openly endorsed slavery, misogyny, and even rape and murder. But people like you prefer to take it a la carte and ignore those bits.

 

[uncboy10]

@uncboy10
I have several questions for you that will help me understand you and your point of view a little better. I'd appreciate it if you oblige me.

1 - How old are you?
2 - Are you married? Children?
3 - Where are you from originally?
4 - Are your parents Christian? Siblings? Did you grow up as a member of a church?
5 - What is your profession?
6 - Where do you live now?

That's a good start. You don't have to go into detail because I know we all like varying degrees of anonymity. But give me what you can in regards to those questions please.

TIA.

24 next month

Single, no kids

Born in Rutherford county, grew up in Columbia

My family is entirely Christian except for me. I grew up being taught christianity, but thankfully my late father never forced me to attend church. It was an option, but never mandatory. Something I'm extremely thankful for.

I'm a student, and a musician. I occasionally do session work, and gig around the upstate.

Clemson

 

[strummingram]

24 next month

Single, no kids

Born in Rutherford county, grew up in Columbia

My family is entirely Christian except for me. I grew up being taught christianity, but thankfully my late father never forced me to attend church. It was an option, but never mandatory. Something I'm extremely thankful for.

I'm a student, and a musician. I occasionally do session work, and gig around the upstate.

Clemson

You're only 23??? Wow!

Do you know any of the guys down at Draisen-Edwards? There aren't many musician circles around here now that almost all the music stores closed-up. I don't think there were many before that, either.

There is a guy that does an open-mike thing at a coffee shop near the Bi-Lo in Clemson. I keep telling him I'll show up one night and help him out, but I keep forgetting and kinda less-than-enthused about acoustic open-mikes at coffee shops in Clemson.

 

[uncboy10]

You're only 23??? Wow!

Do you know any of the guys down at Draisen-Edwards? There aren't many musician circles around here now that almost all the music stores closed-up. I don't think there were many before that, either.

There is a guy that does an open-mike thing at a coffee shop near the Bi-Lo in Clemson. I keep telling him I'll show up one night and help him out, but I keep forgetting and kinda less-than-enthused about acoustic open-mikes at coffee shops in Clemson.

Cant say I do. Unfortunately, serious musicians around here are few and far between.

You might be talking about BJ, he runs the open mic and booking at Moe Joe's which is pretty much right next to Bi-Lo. He's a cool guy, he booked my band to play a gig there after we played the open mic night. And yeah the environment is pretty lame. I think we were playing for like 7 people last time. 4 of which we brought with us.

 

[strummingram]

Cant say I do. Unfortunately, serious musicians around here are few and far between.

You might be talking about BJ, he runs the open mic and booking at Moe Joe's which is pretty much right next to Bi-Lo. He's a cool guy, he booked my band to play a gig there after we played the open mic night. And yeah the environment is pretty lame. I think we were playing for like 7 people last time. 4 of which we brought with us.

I'm not sure what your band plays or is comprised of, but there is a vinyl record/head shop-type place over in Seneca, Yesterdaze, and he let's bands play at his store. His name is Mike, I believe. I sold him a bunch of my old Rock n Roll collectibles a while back to help him get his store going. I had tons of things I'd collected since the late 70's. Anyway, he's someone you might talk to. They even have a big parking lot for outdoor stuff. I've been by a few times when they had live bands.

 

[uncboy10]

I'm not sure what your band plays or is comprised of, but there is a vinyl record/head shop-type place over in Seneca, Yesterdaze, and he let's bands play at his store. His name is Mike, I believe. I sold him a bunch of my old Rock n Roll collectibles a while back to help him get his store going. I had tons of things I'd collected since the late 70's. Anyway, he's someone you might talk to. They even have a big parking lot for outdoor stuff. I've been by a few times when they had live bands.

Sounds pretty cool. Were a 4 piece (2 guitars/vox, bass, and drums) and do a lot of classic covers and jam band stuff. Thanks for the heads up, I'll definitely check that out

 

[strummingram]

Sounds pretty cool. Were a 4 piece (2 guitars/vox, bass, and drums) and do a lot of classic covers and jam band stuff. Thanks for the heads up, I'll definitely check that out

Well, let me know. I'll bring a few friends and check you out! If I hear some Dead songs, I'll just take a break!

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

So it's not capricious to kill off virtually all the life on earth in a flood? It's not cruel to command Moses to slaughter the minianites including the women and children, save for the virgin girls, who they were to save as the spoils of victory?

Anyone who has objectively examined the bible in its entirely can clearly see it openly endorsed slavery, misogyny, and even rape and murder. But people like you prefer to take it a la carte and ignore those bits.

So, when are you going to grow up?

 

[gunslingerdick]

24 next month

Single, no kids

Born in Rutherford county, grew up in Columbia

My family is entirely Christian except for me. I grew up being taught christianity, but thankfully my late father never forced me to attend church. It was an option, but never mandatory. Something I'm extremely thankful for.

I'm a student, and a musician. I occasionally do session work, and gig around the upstate.

Clemson

Ahh, I see. Well, we clearly have had totally different life experiences. Or should I say, you've yet to have many life experiences. I'd be curious to know how your philosophy changes through adulthood. It may not. I know people my age, married with kids, have been in the workforce for 20+ years, etc. and they think like you. I don't know many. But I do know some. Good luck.

 

[UNC71-00]

Ahh, I see. Well, we clearly have had totally different life experiences. Or should I say, you've yet to have many life experiences. I'd be curious to know how your philosophy changes through adulthood. It may not. I know people my age, married with kids, have been in the workforce for 20+ years, etc. and they think like you. I don't know many. But I do know some. Good luck.

WTF is wrong with you? Since when did you go all Kumbaya?

Pussy.

 

[gunslingerdick]

WTF is wrong with you? Since when did you go all Kumbaya?

Pussy.

Haha. Look, I can't be but so harsh on him. He's just a little wet behind the ears. I remember being 24 and while I was certainly no liberal socialist then, I wasn't nearly as conservative as I am now. I had pie in the sky ideologies then too because I didn't really know how the real world worked. Age makes one jaded...and wiser. There's no substitute.

 

[uncboy10]

Haha. Look, I can't be but so harsh on him. He's just a little wet behind the ears. I remember being 24 and while I was certainly no liberal socialist then, I wasn't nearly as conservative as I am now. I had pie in the sky ideologies then too because I didn't really know how the real world worked. Age makes one jaded...and wiser. There's no substitute.

Lol I'm not a socialist. Really. I believe in capitalism, just not the crony corporatism version of it we've worked our way up to. Its one thing to bash liberals who want to give handouts to the lazy, but my real concern is the fact that working families can hardly afford to send their kids to college, hell some can barely even keep food on the table. Meanwhile the companies they work for rake in billions in profits, none of which they will ever see. Its not good for the economy, or society to alienate people from the fruits of their labor. If believing that someone who works 40 hours a week should be able to comfortably feed their family, and keep a roof over their head makes me a socialist then I'll wear it as a badge of honor.

Fully implementing a socialist economy will never work. But that doesn't mean that socialism isn't good for building roads, schools, and providing for the common defense. Unfortunately there were a few crackpot despots last century who happened to use socialism as an economic system so now Americans tend to equate socialism to fascism. Do I want to do away with capitalism? Absolutely not. Do I mind paying taxes to contribute to public utilities that everyone can benefit from? Absolutely not.

 

[gunslingerdick]

...but my real concern is the fact that working families can hardly afford to send their kids to college, hell some can barely even keep food on the table. Meanwhile the companies they work for rake in billions in profits, none of which they will ever see. Its not good for the economy, or society to alienate people from the fruits of their labor. If believing that someone who works 40 hours a week should be able to comfortably feed their family, and keep a roof over their head makes me a socialist then I'll wear it as a badge of honor.
.

College is not a right. If you can't afford it, then you have to find other ways to improve yourself.

The next thought you expressed is where you and I differ completely. Working families can provide a life for themselves. It takes sacrifice. My dad grew up poor as a church mouse. He and his brothers walked home from school everyday by way of the train tracks to pick up coal that had fallen off trains in order to have something to burn to keep them warm. He also had a job at the age of 14 that started at 5:00 am that he did before going to school for the day. People did what they had to do. And it made them stronger. So I just don't believe there are that many families that are making the right decisions, working hard and still unable to live. Now, if said families are making the decision to have 27 children, buy 52" TVs and Lincoln Navigators on minimum wage jobs, that's not a me problem.

As far as companies making large profits, we can either be the beneficiaries to the degree that the company owners see fit, or there are plenty of Mexicans and Chinese folks that would be happy to have those companies in their communities employing their folks for whatever the company heads see fit. I dislike greed as much as the next guy. But I won't support the govt telling anyone what they can and cannot make. Capitalism is freedom.

 

[uncboy10]

College is not a right. If you can't afford it, then you have to find other ways to improve yourself.

The next thought you expressed is where you and I differ completely. Working families can provide a life for themselves. It takes sacrifice. My dad grew up poor as a church mouse. He and his brothers walked home from school everyday by way of the train tracks to pick up coal that had fallen off trains in order to have something to burn to keep them warm. He also had a job at the age of 14 that started at 5:00 am that he did before going to school for the day. People did what they had to do. And it made them stronger. So I just don't believe there are that many families that are making the right decisions, working hard and still unable to live. Now, if said families are making the decision to have 27 children, buy 52" TVs and Lincoln Navigators on minimum wage jobs, that's not a me problem.

As far as companies making large profits, we can either be the beneficiaries to the degree that the company owners see fit, or there are plenty of Mexicans and Chinese folks that would be happy to have those companies in their communities employing their folks for whatever the company heads see fit. I dislike greed as much as the next guy. But I won't support the govt telling anyone what they can and cannot make. Capitalism is freedom.

I don't have a problem with people being able to make obscene amounts of money. I just don't think those people should be able to buy off politicians and regulatory agencies, so that they can engage in unethical business practices legally. Its an overused example, but Monsanto is the company that immediately comes to mind.

The economy has grown significantly in the past two decades (over 50%), and the average cost of living has increased by 67% since 1990. Yet the median household income has stayed almost exactly the same. I see that as a problem. The money isn't disappearing, there's just a much larger share of it going to the top .1% of earners. Why should that be the case when productivity increases?

Capitalism =/= freedom. Capitalism is a form of freedom, but the right to capital endeavors does not mean you have true liberty in other aspects of life.

 

[UNC71-00]

First company that came to my mind which made bank by buying off politicians was Solyndra. Tesla is another.

Any time you have regulation, then companies and individuals will attempt to sway the regulators. There is only one way to fix the problem.

 

[Louigi]

liberal Millennial, figures