Just get the opposing team off the court FIRST! Problem solved!
Flipcowski Stuck his leg out...
- Thread starter ChapelHeeled
- Start date
So I guess a cheap shot from Gerald was ordered by the leader of the brotherhood...
They bum rushed onto the court. If you do not understand that fine....😆 Just wow
I hate Duke and don’t like flip. But I hope flip sues weak into the Stone Age and wins.
Storming the court because you win one reg season game - where you were favored to win. How humiliating. Screams “”we are a bad, wannabe, third rate, low major program, that needed a miracle to win and this is our high point in the program for years”.
If UNC did this, I’d think they should shut the basketball program down. And I get that the UNC students CELEBRATE on Franklin after big wins. I’m fine with that. To me, that is so much different than a mass of deranged psychos charging the players, coaches officials ON THE COURT, endangering them, practically before the final horn sounds. Needs to be banned, now.
This right here qualifies as probably your most moronic take ever and that is saying something. It’s not unique. It happens in college football, too. It happened in pro sports too until they got common sense decades ago to protect players, coaches, officials. So much about college administrations is incompetent, behind the times.
Would they let a big upset team’s players rush into the crowd on a road game? And start taunting anc contracting fans of the losing home team? Or the losing players. No. It’s no different.
I’m fine with celebrating. Do it outside. Most of the court stormers aren’t hard core bb fans I’d guess - the (not) upset win just gives the average college moron a trigger event to let his ahole agitator flag to fly free.
Here’s a thing tho - it wasn’t even an upset. Weak was favored by 2-3 and all the espn talking heads picked weak. My point is - if you’re a somewhat legit program - act like it’s not a miracle you won a game at home where you are favored. And you can celebrate your butts off. But do it outside like Franklin street.
@bluetoe you have good points here about Franklin Street - but outside the arena is 100% different than in the court. Opposing players, coaches, fans, officials aren’t on Franklin Street. They are protected by not going into the melee outside. That s what is 💯 right on about @dtodd4475 comments. Protecting the road team players, coaches, fans (and home team players for that matter - I wouldn’t want our home team players caught in a storming of DES either) cannot be on the visiting coaches or the visiting players. HAS to be 💯 on the home team school, admin. Not even on the home team coach either. How hard is it for the AD to repeat something done successfully thousands of times at other school events.
Sick. A low point of the program. Should never happen at UNC. Would never happen at Kentucky Kansas Duke. Celebrate outside - but court storming to me wreaks of “ we’re bush league pretenders. We just pulled off a miracle that nobody could’ve ever expected”.you asked how is it part of basketball. You didn't specify anything about the timing. I explained that celebration is part of basketball (and all sport), and that storming the court is almost a tradition. Try to keep up with your own questions.
ETA.. lookie here...
Great take, helluva take. Now put bacot or Ingram in the place of flip and read it back. And don’t make some bs take like “bacot or Ingram are above doing (whatever flip did wrong or ‘instigated’) “. I promise you they’re not, especially with the emotion after a big hard fought battle you just lost.
I only wish flip had delivered a bit more FAFO to the students that were right up on him. They had it coming, big time.
A 7 footer knocked knees with a 5 ft kid its really not that big a deal. The 7 footer happened to be embarassed he lost and he imbelished the pain. Just another weird Dook flop in their long history of troubled behavior.
Storming the court used to be cool when it rarely happened. Like Gatorade baths. Now it’s played out. If we reserved it for truly historic occasions, such as being unranked and beating the #1 team, fine. But like everything else, it’s just too much.
With that said, I don’t have a problem with it. And I don’t have a problem with players taking people out as they try to get off the court. Classic case of f*ck around and find out. I thought Flip did initiate the contact and I don’t blame him. I’d be pissed and probably try to take some frustration out too.
But he is acting like a typical Duke douchebag about it; whining on Twitter and in interviews. I mean, the way he’s talking about it makes it sound like it was an assassination attempt. So much drama.
Anyway, who cares? Duke lost. Good. Hope it happens some more.
With that said, I don’t have a problem with it. And I don’t have a problem with players taking people out as they try to get off the court. Classic case of f*ck around and find out. I thought Flip did initiate the contact and I don’t blame him. I’d be pissed and probably try to take some frustration out too.
But he is acting like a typical Duke douchebag about it; whining on Twitter and in interviews. I mean, the way he’s talking about it makes it sound like it was an assassination attempt. So much drama.
Anyway, who cares? Duke lost. Good. Hope it happens some more.
well, I didn't say he ordered it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he either suggested it or at least strongly transmitted his displeasure to the players in a way that he should have known might be acted upon.
But all I was actually saying is that the word was that that is what he told Roy when they were discussing it immediately afterword. In other words, that's what he supposedly said in lieu of any apology.
like I told the other guy. I was NOT making that kind of comparison. Maybe re-read my posts. He questioned if storming the court was what basketball was about (in response to my statement) and I was pointing out that crowd celebration is what it is all about. Storming the court is just one form, and it isn't like this was some isolated instance of that. There have been more court stormings that either of us can count, including OUR OWN court, which I subsequently provided photographic proof of.
I have not in any way suggested that this particular occasion was a tolerable situation as it happened. I am merely saying that the blame for Filipowski's injury is shared by more than just WF, especially by Filipowski himself.
Court stormings can...and should...be conducted safely, or at least relatively safely. But of course, as usual we'll overreact and throw the baby out with the bathwater. That's what we do, and the unnecessary hue and cry exhibited here is the catalyst.
if you have no capacity or desire for peeling the skin from the onion, then fine. But just WOW, I guess.
I prefer to actually understand a situation for what it really is and not just what it appears to be on the surface.
you hit the nail on the head. He was pissed about the game, and then the fans celebrating set him off to the point that he engaged one of them a little. No problem so far. The one problem is that HIS action caused an injury to himself, and the other problem is that everyone, including his crybaby dookie self, wants to blame WF for what he did. I ain't having it. Place blame where it lies. .
it doesn't really matter what makes the fans excited enough to storm the court. To be honest, it seems a little contradictory and unmindful to call that much excitement 'bush league' while ignoring the thousands gathering for hours on Franklin St. for exactly the same reason.
I am for keeping things under control. I am not for dulling the senses and emotions just to achieve that.
On court celebration is ok by me, as it is conducted already by some. Very easy to hold the crowd back a minute until the opponents are off the court. If you bum rush the court while they are still there you have crossed the line, not ok, not excusable, not "part of the game". It is 100% on Wake to keep the fans from bum rushing the court while the opponent is on the court. Hell, they came on even before time ran out.
As for the celebration by fans being part of the game of basketball, I'm lost on that logic. It is an effect caused by the game, ok, but not part of the game, and certainly not while the opponents are on the court.
Franklin St. celebrations are great, not "part of the game". Me drinking and having a good ol' time celebrating after a UNC championship with fellow fans states away is not "part of the game" either. The game is played on the court, fans stay off it until cleared, you are not "part of the game". Then have a blast, especially thebkids on campus !!
say the fans are in the stands then. Are they part of the game? Of course they are, because if they aren't in the stands there is no game on the court. Likewise, fans celebrating after a victory is also part of the game. Parsing words isn't the way to settle this.
And I reiterate, I am not condoning the storming of the court as it occurred.(but I am saying it's a shame to end what is a nice part of college basketball if handled properly, just because some idiot [Filipowski] makes a dick move). I'm simply not laying all the blame for Filipowski's injury on that. Filipowski is just as responsible.if not more.
what is FAFO, and how do I go about delivering a load of it?
If one views the video closely, and I have, one understands that had 'flip' not done what he did, he would not have tumbled into the onrush of fans that you say needed more of that FAFO.
If it seems like I'm pressing the point, you might be right. This is how I stay on top of my game. All joking aside, I hope my commentary isn't offensive to you. I don't mean it to be.
The frame by frame psychoanalysis is ridiculous. I know he's a Dookie but somewhere in there is a human being. I'd love to know how analytic everyone's brains here would be if several hundred folk were rushing at you at full speed. In those instances your animal brain takes over. It doesn't matter if you are a 5 footer or a 7 footer. Flip isn't responsible for this at all.
Yes, the fans during the game, yes, they have an impact as spectators making noise, momentum. Zero part celebrating after the game is over, especially not on the court during the game. Not "part of the game".
They use to do it in the pros. Reggie Jackson bull dozing hos way to the dugout looking for contact. Chris Chambliss almost throwing blows never touching home until an hour later. Those were thier own fans. The Celtics back in the day.
You get fined or arrested today. It is not part of the game. Players stay out of the crowd, fans stayvoff the field/court. Still 100% the ones disregarding the clearly established rules fault. Wake and it's fans in this case.
Really need a little growing up if you are applauding this. I hate DOOK but there is no call for this and no one should be giving him *deleted* for it.
Last edited by a moderator:
Why not assign a T/O specifically to clear the floor and let the clock run out? Wouldn’t solve the games decided in the last second but those don’t typically have the students stacked on the edge of the court.
I have rushed the court several times in my life! UNC in "82. I did it when I attended Moo and they went on that miracle run as the Cardiac Pack! (Who could dislike that bunch of journeyman nice guys who outplayed all expectations!) I did it when I attended UNC and they were climbing toward our '93 Natty as well. I danced on the court at DES when we watched the Natty on the Jumbotron for 2009 too! (or was that '05???) I have rushed Franklin ST as a student or fan for every big win since the 80s. Rushing the court is a display of unbridled joy and is a fun show of camaraderie amongst fans!
That being said, fans should never be on the court before time is out and the opponents are in their tunnel! It doesn't matter who is listed as the favorite, when UNC or puke get beaten, fans will celebrate so BE freakin' prepared! Fans need to be held accountable if they are on the court before time runs out AND coaches + both Universities need to ensure players are off the court quickly when they see it building!
I also think, players need to be held accountable if they instigate issues as well!
That being said, fans should never be on the court before time is out and the opponents are in their tunnel! It doesn't matter who is listed as the favorite, when UNC or puke get beaten, fans will celebrate so BE freakin' prepared! Fans need to be held accountable if they are on the court before time runs out AND coaches + both Universities need to ensure players are off the court quickly when they see it building!
I also think, players need to be held accountable if they instigate issues as well!
Simple solution if they really want to eliminate it. Get rid of the handshake after the game. Teams go immediately to the locker rooms. If fans enter the court area before opponent has left - the win is forfeited.
I thought Scheyer was a little bit on his soapbox, especially when he mentioned fans taunting. Take a look at any picture of a UNC inbounds in front of dook student section - you will see taunting and often fans make contact with players. My opinion is Flip initiated the contact - does not excuse fan's behavior as they should not have been on the court. But he contributed to events causing the injury which I am confident will miraculously heal by next game.
I thought Scheyer was a little bit on his soapbox, especially when he mentioned fans taunting. Take a look at any picture of a UNC inbounds in front of dook student section - you will see taunting and often fans make contact with players. My opinion is Flip initiated the contact - does not excuse fan's behavior as they should not have been on the court. But he contributed to events causing the injury which I am confident will miraculously heal by next game.
I agree with everything here except, Forfeiting a win! You cannot punish the athletes to this level. They gave their all and overcame a better team or program. I can see a Tech or some other measure, but a forfeit is too much IMO!
If that were the case, I'd pose as a dookie and run on their floor every game after a win at H.I.S. ... 😆
@bluetoe your takes are valid and right on here as usual. No offense taken by anyone.
FAFO is fk around and find out. Some kid who thinks it’s a good idea to charge and taunt and maybe even make contact with a 7 foot 230 lb guy who’s already pissed - deserves what he might receive even though he didn’t plan on it.
Anyone else notice the difference in reaction (and court position) between Proctor and Flipadookski?
Proctor was on the near end of the court to where the wave of Wake fans came from. He saw and recognized the wave of people and sprinted off the floor towards his bench. Flip was at the FAR end of the court and sauntered off the court, either not aware or unconcerned about the wave of drunken buffoonery headed his way.
I can't blame his injury on Flipthebirdski, but he sure didn't help himself either.
Any hear anything about the severity of his injury yet?
Proctor was on the near end of the court to where the wave of Wake fans came from. He saw and recognized the wave of people and sprinted off the floor towards his bench. Flip was at the FAR end of the court and sauntered off the court, either not aware or unconcerned about the wave of drunken buffoonery headed his way.
I can't blame his injury on Flipthebirdski, but he sure didn't help himself either.
Any hear anything about the severity of his injury yet?
dude, you're just getting out there now and I guess you are playing semantics. Celebration, before, during, and after the game is part of basketball and every other sport. That was your question and that is the answer. The emotional connection we have with our teams isn't turned on and off in regulation.
This particular celebration wasn't properly controlled but most are, or at least most don't happen to result in injury. This one did because a player chose to interact with a celebrater.. That's all there is to it.
and if that is actually the case, I agree completely. I don't believe that was exactly the case here, but either way close enough for me.
"clearly established rules"? Didn't think the ACC had any or is it just that they have no penalty. Clearly established rules for me would be not tripping a man for no reason. I believe that would fall under the "rule" of assault.
I think there is a rule, but as I referred to in another post, a fairly toothless one. One of those rules that are routinely given a nod and a wink.
Is this the same Flipowski who chipped several of Bacot’s teeth a couple of weeks ago and later in the game popped Davis in the head with an arm bar? Thought so
Flip 100% tried to get a cheap shot on one of the Wake kids because he was pissed.
With that said if they don't run on the court he doesn't have the chance to do something stupid!
Lots of blame to go around.
With that said if they don't run on the court he doesn't have the chance to do something stupid!
Lots of blame to go around.
It is amazing, all this concern for something that has been going on as long as I can remember. Now it is on DSPNs banner head lines for today, Flopalski avoided major injury? And the silliness from Seth Greeburg, fine them a million, call a tech even when the game is over, put more time on the clock AFTER the game has ended? Sorry but that is just STUPID! But leave it to DSPN for making it a federal case when it comes to their favorite team, the dukies.
Reading thru the replies, it seems like a lot of folks are fine with taking the joy of the fans out of the game. All of this is and was so preventable when the coach takes responsibility and moves his players to a safer position before the final buzzer. Security for sure should have done their job better, well should say do their job because the didn't. I do not agree that blaming the fans is right and I have watched teams rush the court after beating our Heels in a game, good for them! Folks are blaming the kids when it was the adults that didn't handle their responsibility? You telling me that the refs can blow their whistles for phantom fouls all game but it is to much to ask for them to call an official TO and protect players?
Reading thru the replies, it seems like a lot of folks are fine with taking the joy of the fans out of the game. All of this is and was so preventable when the coach takes responsibility and moves his players to a safer position before the final buzzer. Security for sure should have done their job better, well should say do their job because the didn't. I do not agree that blaming the fans is right and I have watched teams rush the court after beating our Heels in a game, good for them! Folks are blaming the kids when it was the adults that didn't handle their responsibility? You telling me that the refs can blow their whistles for phantom fouls all game but it is to much to ask for them to call an official TO and protect players?
Flip has the right to be on the court, the fans don't. Every message on the big screen at every arena will tell you that entering the court at any time is trespassing and generally result in removal of the stadium and subject to arrest. So yes, the court is basically his house/space.
And if somebody crosses in front of Flip, he probably could run him over and since that person was basically in Flip's path after the fan was trespassing on his a place that only Flip could be at.
Similar threads
Latest posts
-
THI Podcast: The Basketball Show | Offensive Issues, Hubert Davis, and Duke- Latest: FourCornersXs_n_Os
-
Class of 2026 Recruiting Thread (Updated 1-29: McWhorter visiting this weekend)- Latest: Bryant Baucom
-
-
