Good luck to the student for pressing charges when he was already guilty of trespassing (entering the court after everybody spectator gets the announcement that none of them are allowed to enter the court at any time) and double downed on his stupidity by trying to get in Flip's space and talking smack. Self-defense would probably toss the student's case out.
Flipcowski Stuck his leg out...
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Good luck to the student for pressing charges when he was already guilty of trespassing (entering the court after everybody spectator gets the announcement that none of them are allowed to enter the court at any time) and double downed on his stupidity by trying to get in Flip's space and talking smack. Self-defense would probably toss the student's case out.
if there's no penalty there's no rule. no penalty = guideline or suggestion. rules have penalties.
That's an interesting clip. When I watch it in real time, it tells a different story than when I see it slowed down.
Flop's "injury" is on the same level of imagination as ratty's "indefinite" suspension and TV Teddy's calls!
This is much ado about nothing! Flop is a large punk and a true pukie! He instigated the contact; faked an injury, and whined incessantly just like he does in every game! Face being indignant is priceless since he saw nothing wrong with Flop clotheslining RJ and he was known for the leg kick, jersey grab and undercutting peeps for rebounds!
Yes. Wake needs to do better and all schools should keep peeps in the stands until the clock runs out. All coaches of big time programs should be aware of the potential and send an assistant to usher players off the court quickly. Security should spend their energy protecting the players. BUT Fans should be allowed to express their joy! Tearing down goalposts or actually attacking peeps is too far, but running on the court is an expression of joy and nothing more!
The world needs more joy and the NFL already learned its lesson when it tried to regulate out all joy!
This is much ado about nothing! Flop is a large punk and a true pukie! He instigated the contact; faked an injury, and whined incessantly just like he does in every game! Face being indignant is priceless since he saw nothing wrong with Flop clotheslining RJ and he was known for the leg kick, jersey grab and undercutting peeps for rebounds!
Yes. Wake needs to do better and all schools should keep peeps in the stands until the clock runs out. All coaches of big time programs should be aware of the potential and send an assistant to usher players off the court quickly. Security should spend their energy protecting the players. BUT Fans should be allowed to express their joy! Tearing down goalposts or actually attacking peeps is too far, but running on the court is an expression of joy and nothing more!
The world needs more joy and the NFL already learned its lesson when it tried to regulate out all joy!
he has the right to be on the court, but he has NO right to engage a fan whether that fan is supposed to be on the court or not. Suppose I'm just an usher and a fan who isn't supposed to be on the court runs past me, and I punch him in the side of the head and knock him out and he suffers a concussion. No problem, right? I mean, I had the right to be there and he didn't, so anything I do is OK. I wouldn't be in any trouble at all I guess.
Get a grip and use your noggin. If that kid had gotten hurt from Filipowski's attempted waylaying of him, he'd have every right to sue his ass off.
So no, in the sense you suggest, it is NOT his house/space to do as he pleases in.
And TBH, your second paragraph is just dumb, and that's even if it made any sense, which it doesn't. Paths after a game legitimately crisscross routinely, and no one has the right to run over someone just because they get in their way. Right-thinking people accommodate each other as they navigate their way around. .
I had to record the game last night and find out who won this morning when I got home. As I was replaying it, I noticed an ESPN blurb at the bottom of the screen that said "'Filipowski avoids major injury', as if the incident was savage, the situation was dire, and it was all Wake Forest's fault. All because a flopping dookie crybaby got a booboo by being a dick and then whining about it. Then I heard something to the tune of yessiree, the ACC PTB were going to get together to address the problem,
It's just like I said in another post. It's an overreaction to an overblown incident and it is going to result in yet another chunk taken out of what's real and good in our lives..
ESPN has been milking this even more than when the big Duke forward had his shoe explode several years ago…
Zion - he of sketchy everything now that he’s in the league
The game was over, no it was not flopperkalski's court. No he did not have any right to run over fans. He was pissed because his team lost. It was not like Wake fans attacked him, it was at least as much how he reacted as it was the fans. He tried some bush league trip and it back fired on him.
The university owns the court. The people who own and run the court have given Duke players and coches permission to play the game on their court. They do not give the fans permission to enter the court AT ANY TIME, and anybody who enters a basketball arena before tipoff knows you can't be on the court at anytime or you get removed, arrested for trespassing, and may get a ban from the stadium
When the game is over, the opposing players have the right to leave the court and into the locker room without having to avoid spectators who were told not to enter the court.
Once an A.D. or announcer give them permission to storm the court, then it's fine.
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Wake Forest about to lose at Notre Dame. Everything they did to improve their NCAA resume this past weekend, was just wrecked.
Fan engaged first. Already trespassing, clearly ran towards Flip close enough to get in his space turn his head and talk smack to him, before moving away at the last second. If you were an usher and this happened to you, you're more than likely to go ahead and use self-defense and claim it if they file assault charges on you. Highly doubt Flip is getting off the court without having a collision with any Wake fan. Fans were already on the court before it hit 0.
I'm not seeing this any different than if 100 people stormed into one's property (the size of a basketball court) without permission and towards a guest and the guest trips somebody and then the person sues them for assault.
Right thinking people want a straight shot to the sideline. The longer Flip moves around everywhere but towards the sideline, the more likely both fans and him are likely to collide, because neither of them are making it clear where they are going. Right thinking people would also probably not enter a place they were told not to be, engage in any conversations with any opposing player or coach, especially one the size of Filipkowski.
This is all said, I'd love to hear an opinion from an unbias judge, because we both clearly have opposite thoughts on Duke
Back in 2015, KSU students rush the court against Kansas, Bill Self and Kansas players were literally trapped in between the scorer's table and the KSU fans. (KU player) Jamari Taylor was bumped by a KSU fan in the aftermath.
2018. Texas Tech fan that was storming the court was clocked by a WVU basketball player.
We've already had the Caitlin Clark incident earlier and thankfully nobody was hurt.
I recall a case that was on ESPN (when they had a section on storming the court) where a high school fan was trampled on and severely injured by court storming fans (might have been his own fans, can't recall) and he was never the same basketball player again
While I feel like storming the court is for fans of historically mediocre sports programs, I can understand how there is a tradition to do it and while I'm not interested in doing it, I understand other people want to do it. In the case of the SEC, fines going directly to the schools of the teams they storm the court may help slow down court stormings (maybe Auburn fans would have a 2nd thought storming the field against Bama if they knew the money from the fine would go directly in Bama's pockets, ditto with Florida/Georgia, Tennessee/Kentuckty, Arkansas/LSU and so on).
I would suggest a situation to conferences on where once the opposition is in the locker room, star the game clock at 10 seconds, have the announcer count down from there, fans can join if they want to and once the clock hits 0, then let em storm the court and hopefully nobody gets hurt! But there have been enough cases between fans and opposing players getting collided to the point where it should be asked when enough is enough. There has to be a better way of keeping sides happy and safe.
I'm happy that Duke and UNC as well the other blue bloods are generally above storming the court. Otherwise, given how often the blue bloods win, how many more cases could we possibly have of fans/players getting injured if they stormed the court as much as Wake, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, etc.. etc... do
2018. Texas Tech fan that was storming the court was clocked by a WVU basketball player.
We've already had the Caitlin Clark incident earlier and thankfully nobody was hurt.
I recall a case that was on ESPN (when they had a section on storming the court) where a high school fan was trampled on and severely injured by court storming fans (might have been his own fans, can't recall) and he was never the same basketball player again
While I feel like storming the court is for fans of historically mediocre sports programs, I can understand how there is a tradition to do it and while I'm not interested in doing it, I understand other people want to do it. In the case of the SEC, fines going directly to the schools of the teams they storm the court may help slow down court stormings (maybe Auburn fans would have a 2nd thought storming the field against Bama if they knew the money from the fine would go directly in Bama's pockets, ditto with Florida/Georgia, Tennessee/Kentuckty, Arkansas/LSU and so on).
I would suggest a situation to conferences on where once the opposition is in the locker room, star the game clock at 10 seconds, have the announcer count down from there, fans can join if they want to and once the clock hits 0, then let em storm the court and hopefully nobody gets hurt! But there have been enough cases between fans and opposing players getting collided to the point where it should be asked when enough is enough. There has to be a better way of keeping sides happy and safe.
I'm happy that Duke and UNC as well the other blue bloods are generally above storming the court. Otherwise, given how often the blue bloods win, how many more cases could we possibly have of fans/players getting injured if they stormed the court as much as Wake, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, etc.. etc... do
Way too much time discussing a minor incident. A guy got shot in a mall in Durham so I guess we need new rules of when peeps can enter malls! During a neighbor's party, one of his guests parked so he was partially blocking my driveway so I guess we need to either ban or change the way we have parties. It is silly to compare happy fans celebrated an important win to criminal trespassing on your property!
Flopshevski should also own his thuggish behavior and stop showing peeps his booboo!
If you have to either ban something or seriously restrict it every time someone doesn't behave well, we would all have to go back into quarantine!
It is simply an expression of joy. I love it and have participated and have never seen anyone hurt in person. (I also love driving my car too fast, but when I get a ticket I don't blame the system or get angry at the cops! Like a real man, I pay my fines) Universities simply need to tweak their security to get opponents off and keep fans off until they are clear. Easy solution that doesn't take away fan's enjoyment! It is a GAME!
Flopshevski should also own his thuggish behavior and stop showing peeps his booboo!
If you have to either ban something or seriously restrict it every time someone doesn't behave well, we would all have to go back into quarantine!
It is simply an expression of joy. I love it and have participated and have never seen anyone hurt in person. (I also love driving my car too fast, but when I get a ticket I don't blame the system or get angry at the cops! Like a real man, I pay my fines) Universities simply need to tweak their security to get opponents off and keep fans off until they are clear. Easy solution that doesn't take away fan's enjoyment! It is a GAME!
Your defense of the dukie is NOTE WORTHY!
Don't act as if storming the court is a thing that has just started to occur, it has been happening for as long as I can recall, it is the ultimate expression of JOY from fans that just witnessed an amazing victory and you want to snatch that joy of victory and turn it in to some warped definition of a loss?
In all of your ranting about this situation you have not once addressed the failures of the adults that would have prevented this.
1) This game was over but the final second had not ticked off, why did Schyer not instruct all of his players to be near their bench or near the exit from the court to their locker room? Roy did this, called a TO, put in 5 reserves, sent everyone else to the locker room and had the 5 still on the court come close to the bench. Why didn't Schyer do this to protect his players?
2) The Wake security staff is supposed to protect the players, Caitlin Collins was just escorted off the court for her protection. But where were those security guards, who were they protecting, what were they doing because it was not their job what ever they were doing.
3) Flopperkalski acted thuggish, rather than try to avoid conflict he decided to show that punk student that he does not invade flopperkalski area, rather than lash out he should have been more focused on getting off the court as quickly as possible when that final buzzer sounded. Stop acting as if the student attacked flopper with intent to do any harm what so ever.
4) If this were so dangerous then why did the refs not call an official TO with a second or so left, in a room that everyone realized a court storm was about to happen? I noticed no refs were "assaulted" at the end of that game, how did they get out alive? No public announcements were made, no official TO by the refs to insure visiting players were located together next to their bench, nothing.
NONE of this happened and yet you want to blame the Wake fans for and ages old tradition of expressing joy right after witnessing a thrilling moment?
The Wake loss hurts us though. Because now Clemson has moved past them in the standings which is meaningful in the event that we tie duke for the ACC reg season championship. The tiebreaker for the #1 seed will be record against other top teams in the league. I'm assuming duke will beat UVa in Durham and that means that duke and Carolina will have the same record against UVa so then it goes to who is next in the standings. We have a loss to Clemson and duke doesn't while they have a loss to WFU and we don't.
I am thinking dook loses one of their last 3, Uva, @ moo or us. If we hold serve the next two then hopefully that last game will be irrelevant for seeding.
I say we just kick their ass and we don't have to worry about tiebreakers.
who is arguing otherwise?
What I and others are saying is even that given the improper court storming, players don't somehow have the right to engage them unless threatened. Filipowski was obviously (to the unprejudiced eye) not threatened. He could have avoided the fan that he tried to waylay by maintaining his gate and not thrusting out his arms and his foot. The point is that as far as his injury goes, he bears at least as much responsibility as anyone else, and IMO more. In other words, the court storming did not have to result in injury as is normal with court stormings. Filipowski suffered the injury due to HIS actions.
"This is all said, I'd love to hear an opinion from an unbias judge, because we both clearly have opposite thoughts on Duke'
good point. My opinion is that of NOT a dook fan. You could remove your bias. Then you might see that very clearly Filipowski took action in order to make contact with the fan in question.
If I was an usher (and I was), and a fan was improperly on the court and trying to run past me, I would be putting not just myself but the University in great legal jeopardy by engaging that fan this way...because the impetus for contact having been made would be placed on me, as it should be, and not the fan. The fan would get who cares for improperly being where he shouldn't have been...as that also should be. But he could also make bank.
Flip will play tonight the Inspiration and Desire are Miraculous
I don't approve of that either. Glad though nobody from Clemson got hurt.
#1. Agreed he could have and I recall that he said he could have done more in the press conference.
#2. Absolutely agree. Wake's security team has clearly failed to do their part.
#3. No athlete should be put in the position that Filipkowsky is in. Fans should know better, security should have done better.
#4. The ref could have done that and thankfully they weren't assaulted, but I don't think they would in a game Wake won. Also, we all go to the games. We all know announcements are made before the game (and sometimes they repeat it) to stay off the court at all times and those who enter the court are trespassing, generally removed, and subject to arrest. That should be enough.
It's an age old tradition, but traditions can be gone if fans and players ruin it. They were also a thing in professional sports and now they aren't. Also, you don't need to be on the court to enjoy the moment. You can do it in the stands.
So as much as I get on the Wake Forest fans (particually the one that collided with Flip and there is the one who put his hand on Flip's back afterthe one fan that was tripped), there is plenty of blame to go around.
assuming that you're referring to the WF fan collision that came after the other, initial fan contact, let's go ahead and assign blame. as follows;
-WF fans for storming the court
-Filipowski for assaulting a WF fan
-Filipowski for causing his own injury
-Filipowski for causing the collision with the WF fan after spinning out of control due to his assault on the first WF fan
-the WF fan who brushed his hand on Filipowski's back? You can't be serious. You're allowed one hand. No foul.
Way I see it is, #1 there were failings by Wake event staff/security/whatever for not doing more to keep the players cordoned from the students storming the court, but #2 Flip seemed like he could have been more urgent about getting off the court sooner before getting in the scrum. It's like when somebody obviously takes their time walking across the street when they could at least jog with the attitude of "these cars can just wait" because I'm entitled to this space and I'm not gonna rush
^ Could you be any more aloof with that "we are better than anyone else" speak? Got news for ya boss, if the stakes were high enough UNC fans as well as dukies would storm the court!~ You followed up the quoted statement with the words "I understand other people want to do it." Period, nothing else to that line, clearly saying that YOU don't care what anyone else wants, you and you alone should be the judge? LOL, I can pass on your judgemanship thank you very much!
Further, for what, about a page now you have been ranting about how fans should NEVER storm the court, you go as far as to say they do not own the gym and do not have a right to EVER be on that court, how there are signs and stuff? Yet now you come up with this grand solution, that all the sudden, as if by magic, allows fans to ignore the signs and storm that sucker? Mind if I ask ya which side of your mouth you offered that from? LOL
Further, this is rich, you want them to wait until the other team is in the locker room and then have the announcer call out a 10 count down and then if they want they can storm the court no matter what any signs say. LOL Who is it that stops the fans from storming the court until the opposing players get back to their locker room? Could it possibly be, and I am spit ballin here, could it be the very same folks that were responsible for that game, you know, the ones that did not stop anyone from court storming, the same ones that did nothing to protect any of the players? Well why not just wait until the opposing team has arrived home and safe in their dorms before you start that 10sec count down that allows anyone that wants to storm the court. Yeah, I am as sure that folks will wait to the next day before they storm the court as their waiting 10 seconds after the game is over.
Why is it so hard for you to consider having the adults do the jobs they are hired to do as in those on both staffs, the refs, and security? All adults, all primary job is to protect student athletes, and all failed after that game...
It surpasses the night Willis Reed ran out of that Knick locker room, David Thompson going back in to that game with his head bandaged up, what an amazing show of shear courage, they wanted to cut that leg off, flopperkolski wanted them to if that allowed him to play I am sure. LOL
That's irrelevant. If us and dook are tied at the end of the regular season, whoever finishes higher in the standings between Wake and Clemson will determine the 1 seed (assuming the dookies beat Virginia). In that scenario, if Wake is 4th, we'll be the 1, if Clemson is 4th, dook will be the 1. Again, that is assuming that UVA will be the 3 seed, and that dook beat them in Hansbrough Indoor.
I assign the blame to fans 1st and security 2nd and don't feel like anyone else is really to blame.
Don't stick your leg out like an idiot and that doesn't happen. Court storming happens a lot and now we are all up in arms about it because of some stupid Dookie.
He made a miraculous full recovery. He was sandbagging from the start. He was faking it...what a shock.
Dukies do love to take FLOPPING to an art form but this is the first time I have seen a dukie FLOP AFTER a game was over? LOL
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