Gaffney Update

[dadika13]

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/five-star-gafney-has-three-leaders-in-early-stages

Looks like Roy may not be prioritizing him as much as some of our posters, at least for the time being. Still early though.

 

[RoseHeel]

A kid without an offer and virtually no prioritization doesn't have us listed in his top 3. I'm utterly shocked

smh

 

[gauchoheel]

A kid without an offer and virtually no prioritization doesn't have us listed in his top 3. I'm utterly shocked

smh

But then who do we want for that combo forward spot? AFAIK we don't have any offers out there except for Hurt.

 

[RoseHeel]

But then who do we want for that combo forward spot? AFAIK we don't have any offers out there except for Hurt.

IMO, this all seems like we're still holding out for the resident dookie and maybe Hurt for the SF spot. Outside of those two, we've visited Precious Achiuwa once and another 50 or so guy I can't remember the name of. But they've gotten less attention than Gaffney has by this point.

Meanwhile, all the talented guys will get snatched up while we sleep behind the wheel on any of our other leads.

2019 is a crucial recruiting year, but it feels like it's going to turn into 2017 with our lack of urgency. Roy's recruiting tactics have always been head-scratchers.

 

[gauchoheel]

IMO, this all seems like we're still holding out for the resident dookie and maybe Hurt for the SF spot. Outside of those two, we've visited Precious Achiuwa once and another 50 or so guy I can't remember the name of. But they've gotten less attention than Gaffney has by this point.

Meanwhile, all the talented guys will get snatched up while we sleep behind the wheel on any of our other leads.

2019 is a crucial recruiting year, but it feels like it's going to turn into 2017 with our lack of urgency. Roy's recruiting tactics have always been head-scratchers.

But Moore is a SG. He is 4-5 inches shorter than Gaffney, so I don't know that their recruitments are related.

I know very little about recruiting, but it makes sense to me we need someone to fill in after Maye graduates in 2019 and possibly see some time on the wing as well. Darius Days would have been a good fill in. Otherwise we have Brooks and ???? at the 4 spot.

 

[Heelswin]

IMO, this all seems like we're still holding out for the resident dookie and maybe Hurt for the SF spot. Outside of those two, we've visited Precious Achiuwa once and another 50 or so guy I can't remember the name of. But they've gotten less attention than Gaffney has by this point.

Meanwhile, all the talented guys will get snatched up while we sleep behind the wheel on any of our other leads.

2019 is a crucial recruiting year, but it feels like it's going to turn into 2017 with our lack of urgency. Roy's recruiting tactics have always been head-scratchers.

Keep the faith, dood, TIR...... he knows much more than us mortals!

 

[heels05champs]

IMO, this all seems like we're still holding out for the resident dookie and maybe Hurt for the SF spot. Outside of those two, we've visited Precious Achiuwa once and another 50 or so guy I can't remember the name of. But they've gotten less attention than Gaffney has by this point.

Meanwhile, all the talented guys will get snatched up while we sleep behind the wheel on any of our other leads.

2019 is a crucial recruiting year, but it feels like it's going to turn into 2017 with our lack of urgency. Roy's recruiting tactics have always been head-scratchers.

You and I both know that Roy hitches his wagon to one or two guys we all know he ain’t getting but he is loyal to a fault. It looks like Hurt and Carey will be two of those guys for 2019. As for the resident Dookie, I really couldn’t care less about what he does or where he goes. He’d be a Dookie if they didn’t stop recruiting him cuz of baker.

 

[2DDIMOND]

IMO, this all seems like we're still holding out for the resident dookie and maybe Hurt for the SF spot. Outside of those two, we've visited Precious Achiuwa once and another 50 or so guy I can't remember the name of. But they've gotten less attention than Gaffney has by this point.

Meanwhile, all the talented guys will get snatched up while we sleep behind the wheel on any of our other leads.

2019 is a crucial recruiting year, but it feels like it's going to turn into 2017 with our lack of urgency. Roy's recruiting tactics have always been head-scratchers.

SMH at this post. Roy & "sleeping behind the wheel" do not belong in the same sentence.

 

[RoseHeel]

SMH at this post. Roy & "sleeping behind the wheel" do not belong in the same sentence.

You haven't been paying attention then, have you?

 

[RoseHeel]

But Moore is a SG. He is 4-5 inches shorter than Gaffney, so I don't know that their recruitments are related.

I know very little about recruiting, but it makes sense to me we need someone to fill in after Maye graduates in 2019 and possibly see some time on the wing as well. Darius Days would have been a good fill in. Otherwise we have Brooks and ???? at the 4 spot.

He's listed on most sites as a SF. And he could grow a few more inches by the time he gets to college as well.

As far as the PF spot goes, I don't know who fills that spot, but I'm betting it won't be any of the guys we have offers to now. Roy showing loyalty to kids who don't give us the time of day makes me want to pull my hair out. Unless our goal is to have another 2017-esque class, It's time to move on from these kids who aren't coming here.

JM2C.

 

[Archer2]

IMO, this all seems like we're still holding out for the resident dookie and maybe Hurt for the SF spot. Outside of those two, we've visited Precious Achiuwa once and another 50 or so guy I can't remember the name of. But they've gotten less attention than Gaffney has by this point.

Meanwhile, all the talented guys will get snatched up while we sleep behind the wheel on any of our other leads.

2019 is a crucial recruiting year, but it feels like it's going to turn into 2017 with our lack of urgency. Roy's recruiting tactics have always been head-scratchers.

#chickenlittle

 

[RoseHeel]

#chickenlittle

Real Original. I suppose it may be too much to ask to have an intelligent discussion here without the sheep accusing you of believing "the sky is falling".

 

[2DDIMOND]

You haven't been paying attention then, have you?

On the contrary, that's why I posted that. It appears you may be the one not paying attention. Roy may swing & miss, but he's not asleep at the wheel. Absolutely no one works harder than Roy on the recruiting trail.

 

[RoseHeel]

On the contrary, that's why I posted that. It appears you may be the one not paying attention. Roy may swing & miss, but he's not asleep at the wheel. Absolutely no one works harder than Roy on the recruiting trail.

We're letting our lead dwindle with Gaffney while we continue to dance with Moore. That's sleeping at the wheel no matter how you try to spin it.

If Roy put in the amount of work he does with kids that have very little interest in UNC on guys that we actually have a shot with, he'd have more hits than misses.

 

[Archer2]

Real Original. I suppose it may be too much to ask to have an intelligent discussion here without the sheep accusing you of believing "the sky is falling".

"Why is Roy wasting his time recruiting (insert player X)? We're never going to get him?"

We've beaten this horse to a pulp numerous times. The general consensus from the "intelligent discussions" we've had in the past is that Roy knows more about recruiting and his chances to sign a particular player than any of us. He's much closer to the situation and has a better feel for what's going to transpire.

Wouldn't you agree? Or do you think Roy just enjoys wasting his valuable time going after players he knows he doesn't have a prayer of sign? Perhaps he's just that obtuse? I think not.

Perhaps a little faith in our HOF coach is in order.

 

[RoseHeel]

"Why is Roy wasting his time recruiting (insert player X)? We're never going to get him?"

We've beaten this horse to a pulp numerous times. The general consensus from the "intelligent discussions" we've had in the past is that Roy knows more about recruiting and his chances to sign a particular player than any of us. He's much closer to the situation and has a better feel for what's going to transpire.

Wouldn't you agree? Or do you think Roy just enjoys wasting his valuable time going after players he knows he doesn't have a prayer of sign? Perhaps he's just that obtuse? I think not.

Perhaps a little faith in our HOF coach is in order.

Yes, this has been discussed ad nauseam. If you don't want to talk about it, perhaps you should avoid recruiting threads all together.

Obviously Roy is closer to the situation than any of us. But our track record on the recruiting trail speaks for itself. We're taking the same steps that had us strike out with top guys in 2017. Only this time, we don't have the scandal to blame it on. I don't know how Roy feels and neither do you. But the writing is on the wall for a lot of these kids. Some of you may enjoy sticking your heads in the sand and pretending the outcome will be different, but I'd rather call it like it is.

At the end of the day, Roy will do what Roy wants and there's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss our opinions, whether positive or negative. I fail to understand why some of you always try to impede any discussion that isn't circlejerking or mindlessly agreeing with every single thing that Roy does.

 

[heels05champs]

^ Arch, Roy is loyal to a fault. When he locks in on a couple OAD type kids every year, he stays locked in on them all the way til they commit somewhere even when nearly everyone that follows recruiting knows UNC has very little chance. People are quick to point to Harrison Barnes which was 8 years ago!! I can name a lot of examples where Roy prioritized kids he had no chance at since then.

 

[Archer2]

^ Arch, Roy is loyal to a fault. When he locks in on a couple OAD type kids every year, he stays locked in on them all the way til they commit somewhere even when nearly everyone that follows recruiting knows UNC has very little chance. People are quick to point to Harrison Barnes which was 8 years ago!! I can name a lot of examples where Roy prioritized kids he had no chance at since then.

I understand that and I see where it can be frustrating for our fans. Yet we've managed to win 2 titles in the last decade with Roy's players. Not many schools can say the same. I don't think, as an elite program, that you can afford to just concede the creme de la creme players to schools like UK/d00k/AZ... And Roy has openly stated that he would like to have a few OAD caliber players on his teams to go along with his upperclassmen. His continued recruitment of Zion, Ingram, etc... demonstrates that very notion. Yes, Roy is stubborn as a mule, but he isn't dumb.

We'll never break the perception that UNC isn't conducive to star freshmen playing right away if Roy doesn't continue to recruit them. Roy is sly as a fox, don't underestimate him. He's looking at the big picture.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I vote for @RoseHeel to become our Director of Recruiting. That way Roy could spend more of his time working on his strategies. But he sucks at that too so we might need to find another Radar poster to serve as Director of Xs and Os.

 

[dadika13]

Christ dude. Rose, we have 2 burger boys and another 4 star coming in this year AND WE JUST WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Yet you keep talking about striking out?

Smh.

 

[Archer2]

 

[RoseHeel]

I vote for @RoseHeel to become our Director of Recruiting. That way Roy could spend more of his time working on his strategies. But he sucks at that too so we might need to find another Radar poster to serve as Director of Xs and Os.

I see you're sticking to your usual methods of bringing nothing of intelligence or usefulness to this thread. This is about the level of maturity I'd expect from the likes of you.

Christ dude. Rose, we have 2 burger boys and another 4 star coming in this year AND WE JUST WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Yet you keep talking about striking out?

Smh.

And you realize one of them we only got thanks to the FBI, and the other we got by not sticking to our guns with a specific recruit? You know, which basically proves the point I'm making here?

But sure. Let's just ignore all that and pretend discussing recruiting is some form of taboo because we won a title. It's not like we can think about the future of UNC Basketball while also celebrating our success. That's unheard of, right?

 

[dadika13]

You're hopeless on this one Rose. Enjoy that pessimism.

 

[RoseHeel]

Amazes me how any legitimate criticism on this board is written off as "pessimism" because it doesn't agree with the masses. Some of you should seriously consider avoiding message boards if all you want to do is operate within an echo chambers.

 

[dadika13]

Amazes me how any legitimate criticism on this board is written off as "pessimism" because it doesn't agree with the masses. Some of you should seriously consider avoiding message boards if all you want to do is operate within an echo chambers.

Dude, just stop. I am one of the harshest posters when it comes to our recruiting and our team.

At the same time, I think your criticism of Roy in this thread is ridiculous given our 2017 national championship and our 2018 recruiting class.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Dude, just stop. I am one of the harshest posters when it comes to our recruiting and our team.

At the same time, I think your criticism of Roy in this thread is ridiculous given our 2017 national championship and our 2018 recruiting class.

Agree completely. You are a harsh critic which is why I’ve especially enjoyed your take in this thread. It’s not like only the sunshine pumpers are calling @RoseHeel out for his unreasonable and ill-informed views on this.

I see you're sticking to your usual methods of bringing nothing of intelligence or usefulness to this thread. This is about the level of maturity I'd expect from the likes of you.

That’s as good as your poasts deserve and as good as it’s going to get. The other option is for me and others to repeatedly poke holes in your baseless claims.

You say we only got Little because of the FBI investigation (unprovable but for the sake of argument, I’ll play). So what? We got him. No one ever asks about the labor pains; they just ask to see the baby. Who gives a shit why we got him? So we weren’t his first choice. Looks like being his second choice paid off. It’s just an unbelievably pessimistic view. You have no proof of your assertion yet you’re tied to it. It’s like you want to be upset about something.

And let’s make one thing clear, while my poast was indeed devoid of critical analysis and intelligent thought to spark discussion, please don’t pretend you are the real thought provoker around here. What sort of “intelligence and usefulness” are you bringing to the thread? You’re regurgitating some made up negative spin to our recent success. Shit, with fans like you, who needs rivals?

 

[montana_heel]

I have to admit that I don't understand Gaffney not getting an offer if he is as big of a UNC fan as everyone says.

The only thing that I can think of is that Roy is trying to get someone else first that he may not get if Gaffney were on board. Then he would offer Gaffney and get both.

 

[dadika13]

I have to admit that I don't understand Gaffney not getting an offer if he is as big of a UNC fan as everyone says.

The only thing that I can think of is that Roy is trying to get someone else first that he may not get if Gaffney were on board. Then he would offer Gaffney and get both.

So from what I've seen on video, I don't think Gaffney is a slam dunk prospect. He is extremely raw, like even more raw than most raw 16 year old 6'9'' kids.

I hope he plays in the big UA tourney in NYC this summer, dying to see him up close.

 

[2DDIMOND]

I have to admit that I don't understand Gaffney not getting an offer if he is as big of a UNC fan as everyone says.

The only thing that I can think of is that Roy is trying to get someone else first that he may not get if Gaffney were on board. Then he would offer Gaffney and get both.

It's the same deal w/Joey Baker. He's boys w/Felton, many said he would commit on the spot if offered. I'm glad that played out like it did, I was never in the Baker camp, & I'm on the fence w/Gaffney. Probably not Roy's first choice for that spot so he's waiting to see how things play out, & it's possible Gaffney would jump on the offer, eliminating Roy's options. I have learned to trust Roy. The reasons this board has for no offer to Gaffney are much different than Roy's, if I gotta pick, I'm going with Roy.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I have to admit that I don't understand Gaffney not getting an offer if he is as big of a UNC fan as everyone says.

The only thing that I can think of is that Roy is trying to get someone else first that he may not get if Gaffney were on board. Then he would offer Gaffney and get both.

Maybe for Roy, the jury is still out on what kind of teammate he is...or his fit for our style...or his academic ability...or his family’s involvement...or his personal goals. I have no idea and I agree that on the surface, it does look odd. But we’re not in on his recruitment. We’re just a bunch of message board fans hoping to sign good players. Roy has considerably more to think about. Time will tell.

 

[pln2013]

So from what I've seen on video, I don't think Gaffney is a slam dunk prospect. He is extremely raw, like even more raw than most raw 16 year old 6'9'' kids.

I hope he plays in the big UA tourney in NYC this summer, dying to see him up close.

Gaffney needs to figure out how to do something off-the-dribble that isn't a pull-up jumper. Otherwise he's not a wing.

 

[2DDIMOND]

Maybe for Roy, the jury is still out on what kind of teammate he is...or his fit for our style...or his academic ability...or his family’s involvement...or his personal goals. I have no idea and I agree that on the surface, it does look odd. But we’re not in on his recruitment. We’re just a bunch of message board fans hoping to sign good players. Roy has considerably more to think about. Time will tell.

Hammer - Nail

 

[RoseHeel]

Dude, just stop. I am one of the harshest posters when it comes to our recruiting and our team.

At the same time, I think your criticism of Roy in this thread is ridiculous given our 2017 national championship and our 2018 recruiting class.

Before this thread devolved into its current state, my entire point was that Roy's tactics can be confusing and we're letting our chances with Gaffney slip away. Where's the lie?

We already know Roy spend a bunch of time on guys who don't want to be here almost every year, and the results ends the same each time. Yet some of you will still make the same excuses we've been hearing since almost 2013 when this is pointed out (negative, sky is falling, doesn't matter, etc.) Perhaps Roy has a master plan we can't see, but from the outside looking in, it doesn't make sense. And it doesn't have to. I'm sure Roy will get what he needs to keep us competing. What I want to know is why it's so taboo to disagree with the consensus here just because my opinion isn't as positive as the mass.

And apparently we are letting our chances with Gaffney slip away, contrary to the original insistence of some here. Read the link you posted. Not one mention of us. Not offering is one thing, but we're not even listed as the ones recruiting him the hardest.

I feel my criticism in this thread is more than fair. I'm not bashing Roy like some here love to do, I simply don't agree with the prioritization of certain kids. Big whoop. Like I've already said, we can celebrate the fact we're reigning national champions while still concerning ourselves with the future of Tar Heel Basketball. It's not as dire as some of you want to make it out to be.

Agree completely. You are a harsh critic which is why I’ve especially enjoyed your take in this thread. It’s not like only the sunshine pumpers are calling @RoseHeel out for his unreasonable and ill-informed views on this.



That’s as good as your poasts deserve and as good as it’s going to get. The other option is for me and others to repeatedly poke holes in your baseless claims.

You say we only got Little because of the FBI investigation (unprovable but for the sake of argument, I’ll play). So what? We got him. No one ever asks about the labor pains; they just ask to see the baby. Who gives a shit why we got him? So we weren’t his first choice. Looks like being his second choice paid off. It’s just an unbelievably pessimistic view. You have no proof of your assertion yet you’re tied to it. It’s like you want to be upset about something.

I get it. Context is unimportant to you so you choose to ignore it because it hurts your narrative. But if you seriously want to sit here and pretend that the FBI had nothing to do with him ending up at UNC, I have nothing further to discuss with you. You're the type that would think an animal that looks, walks, and talks like a duck is a cow.

And let’s make one thing clear, while my poast was indeed devoid of critical analysis and intelligent thought to spark discussion, please don’t pretend you are the real thought provoker around here. What sort of “intelligence and usefulness” are you bringing to the thread? You’re regurgitating some made up negative spin to our recent success. Shit, with fans like you, who needs rivals?

So you claimed you were going to poke holes in my baseless claims, yet all you've done is spout nonsense and fabricate narratives? You continue to live up to your set standard of idiocy.

Never said or intended to imply I was a "thought provoker". In all honestly, I have zero respect for you or your opinions anyway. So I really couldn't care less what you think.

 

[gauchoheel]

Yes, this has been discussed ad nauseam. If you don't want to talk about it, perhaps you should avoid recruiting threads all together.

Obviously Roy is closer to the situation than any of us. But our track record on the recruiting trail speaks for itself. We're taking the same steps that had us strike out with top guys in 2017. Only this time, we don't have the scandal to blame it on. I don't know how Roy feels and neither do you. But the writing is on the wall for a lot of these kids. Some of you may enjoy sticking your heads in the sand and pretending the outcome will be different, but I'd rather call it like it is.

At the end of the day, Roy will do what Roy wants and there's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss our opinions, whether positive or negative. I fail to understand why some of you always try to impede any discussion that isn't circlejerking or mindlessly agreeing with every single thing that Roy does.

Which players do you think the writing is on the wall for? Carey, Bacot, and Wiseman, probably. Hurt too? I think the other players we've looked at most people think we have a shot for, so it's just some top ranked bigs we're pursuing really. But then Roy has looked at Baker, Robinson-Earl, Gaffney, and several other wings.

and the other we got by not sticking to our guns with a specific recruit?

Who did we stop pursuing to go after Coby White?

Isn't this argument lessened by the fact we've already got Francis aboard? Roy found a PG he really liked who wasn't the top ranked guy and loved UNC, and went out and got him. That seems to be what you're advocating for.

Maybe for Roy, the jury is still out on what kind of teammate he is...or his fit for our style...or his academic ability...or his family’s involvement...or his personal goals. I have no idea and I agree that on the surface, it does look odd. But we’re not in on his recruitment. We’re just a bunch of message board fans hoping to sign good players. Roy has considerably more to think about. Time will tell.

This. While I don't know what the holdup is, I think it's very likely to be one of these reasons.

Maybe Roy thinks Gaffney's makeup is pretty questionable. Or, there's also a sentiment out there that Gaffney is quite raw and may struggle to contribute in 1-2 years in college. Perhaps Roy is worried he won't really be a contributor at UNC? I'm thinking of guys like Archie Goodwin and Skal at UK, guys with great athleticism that meant they weren't playing in college long, but they didn't really add much to their college team because they were so raw.

We have room to add at least 4 guys in 2019 most likely. We'll lose Maye, Kenny, Cam, and (I think) at least one of Nas/Jalek/Coby goes pro. So I don't think Moore is the hold up. Francis, Moore, Gaffney, and a big would seemingly be a great class. The lack of offer to me means there is something Roy is still unsure about on Gaffney, because we haven't offered any higher ranked guys like him either.

 

[2DDIMOND]

Before this thread devolved into its current state, my entire point was that Roy's tactics can be confusing and we're letting our chances with Gaffney slip away. Where's the lie?

We already know Roy spend a bunch of time on guys who don't want to be here almost every year, and the results ends the same each time. Yet some of you will still make the same excuses we've been hearing since almost 2013 when this is pointed out (negative, sky is falling, doesn't matter, etc.) Perhaps Roy has a master plan we can't see, but from the outside looking in, it doesn't make sense. And it doesn't have to. I'm sure Roy will get what he needs to keep us competing. What I want to know is why it's so taboo to disagree with the consensus here just because my opinion isn't as positive as the mass.

And apparently we are letting our chances with Gaffney slip away, contrary to the original insistence of some here. Read the link you posted. Not one mention of us. Not offering is one thing, but we're not even listed as the ones recruiting him the hardest.

I feel my criticism in this thread is more than fair. I'm not bashing Roy like some here love to do, I simply don't agree with the prioritization of certain kids. Big whoop. Like I've already said, we can celebrate the fact we're reigning national champions while still concerning ourselves with the future of Tar Heel Basketball. It's not as dire as some of you want to make it out to be.



I get it. Context is unimportant to you so you choose to ignore it because it hurts your narrative. But if you seriously want to sit here and pretend that the FBI had nothing to do with him ending up at UNC, I have nothing further to discuss with you. You're the type that would think an animal that looks, walks, and talks like a duck is a cow.



So you claimed you were going to poke holes in my baseless claims, yet all you've done is spout nonsense and fabricate narratives? You continue to live up to your set standard of idiocy.

Never said or intended to imply I was a "thought provoker". In all honestly, I have zero respect for you or your opinions anyway. So I really couldn't care less what you think.

The point you're missing is that Roy knows what he's doing & why he's doing it, we don't. The perception is that you know what is better for UNC basketball than our HOF coach does, I'm sorry if you can't pick up on that. You are on an island here, & either you can't pick up on that, or you don't give a rats fat behind.

 

[gunslingerdick]

But if you seriously want to sit here and pretend that the FBI had nothing to do with him ending up at UNC, I have nothing further to discuss with you.
.

It's pure conjecture until you prove otherwise. The burden of proof is on you for making the claim. So prove it or STFU about it.

In all honestly, I have zero respect for you or your opinions anyway. So I really couldn't care less what you think.

The idea of respecting someone because you shared a few messages back and forth on the internet is bizarre. So you could have saved your honest statement as I never would have desired or expected your respect. You certainly don't have mine as I don't know anything about you other than you seem to always look on the dark side of everything. But you be you Eeyore.

 

[Archer2]

If Roy could just recruit, he may have won a couple of titles at UNC. Oh wait... Roy's damned if he doesn't recruit OAD's and damned if he does. He just can't win.

 

[Archer2]

North Carolina Tar Heels (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2003–present)
2003–04 North Carolina 19–11 8–8 6th NCAA Round of 32
2004–05 North Carolina 33–4 14–2 1st NCAA Champions
2005–06 North Carolina 23–8 12–4 2nd NCAA Round of 32
2006–07 North Carolina 31–7 11–5 T–1st NCAA Elite Eight
2007–08 North Carolina 36–3 14–2 1st NCAA Final Four
2008–09 North Carolina 34–4 13–3 1st NCAA Champions
2009–10 North Carolina 20–17 5–11 T–9th NIT Runner-up
2010–11 North Carolina 29–8 14–2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2011–12 North Carolina 32–6 14–2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2012–13 North Carolina 25–11 12–6 3rd NCAA Round of 32
2013–14 North Carolina 24–10 13–5 T–3rd NCAA Round of 32
2014–15 North Carolina 26–12 11–7 5th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2015–16 North Carolina 33–7 14–4 1st NCAA Runner-up
2016–17 North Carolina 33–7 14–4 1st NCAA Champions
2017–18 North Carolina 15–4 4–2
North Carolina: 413–119 (.776) 173–67 (.721)
Total: 831–220 (.791)

Pretty impressive for a guy who badly needs recruiting advice.

 

[RoseHeel]

The point you're missing is that Roy knows what he's doing & why he's doing it, we don't.The perception is that you know what is better for UNC basketball than our HOF coach does, I'm sorry if you can't pick up on that. You are on an island here, & either you can't pick up on that, or you don't give a rats fat behind.

If that's how you took it, then you've misunderstood. Never once did I say I knew more than Roy. While I may not always agree with his recruiting decisions, I'm very happy with what he does. I'm just tired of having to hear the same rehashed BS recited any time someone points out anything negative about our recruiting.

Maybe I need to have a disclaimer in my signature any time I post anything critical here. Since apparently saying anything that isn't stroking the consensus of the masses is received so poorly and gets bastardized down to "I obviously know better than Roy Williams".

 

[RoseHeel]

It's pure conjecture until you prove otherwise. The burden of proof is on you for making the claim. So prove it or STFU about it.

So you're asking me to prove something that you've already admitted was unprovable? Jesus F**king Christ

The information is already there. Whether you choose to put 2 and 2 together is up to you.

The idea of respecting someone because you shared a few messages back and forth on the internet is bizarre. So you could have saved your honest statement as I never would have desired or expected your respect. You certainly don't have mine as I don't know anything about you other than you seem to always look on the dark side of everything. But you be you Eeyore.

Thanks for your approval, dick.